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bornagaincane said:
This is Saban’’s record as first year coach:

1990 Toledo - 9-2
1995 Michigan State - 6-5
2000 LSU - 8-4
Alabama 2007 - 7-6

The point here is that Saban as an experienced coach at MSU and Alabaga had a similar record to Manny a rookie head coach last year. My point is that there is a chance that Manny will be okay beginning from this season.
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WHAT ABOUT DABO TOO? I don't think he did good either
 
I think as long as he keeps recruiting like he is now, he will def be alright even if he does suck as a coach lol.
 
Would you all prefer he compare Manny to Bill Snyder. Snyder might be one of the greatest coaches of all time when it comes to building a program. Will we give Manny 9 years to get to 11 wins? How many 11 wins seasons have we had since 2003?


YearSchoolGWLTPctSRSSOSAP PreAP HighAP PostBowlNotes
1989Kansas State111100.091-15.11-0.38
1990Kansas State11560.455-1.65-0.10
1991Kansas State11740.6365.360.73
1992Kansas State11560.455-2.80-0.98
1993Kansas State12921.7929.440.361820Copper Bowl-W
1994Kansas State12930.75010.570.911119Aloha Bowl-L
1995Kansas State121020.83315.130.7977Holiday Bowl-W
1996Kansas State12930.75013.133.7121917Cotton Bowl-L
1997Kansas State121110.91715.43-0.072388Fiesta Bowl-W
1998Kansas State131120.84618.392.856210Alamo Bowl-L
1999Kansas State121110.91715.11-0.062056Holiday Bowl-W
2000Kansas State141130.78615.723.93829Cotton Bowl-W
2001Kansas State12660.5009.635.631311Insight Bowl-L
2002Kansas State131120.84616.49-0.1267Holiday Bowl-W
 
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grover said:
Manny has won the off-season 2 years in a row. That's an excellent sign. He could be special.

The concern I still have is he has yet to fire one of his own. That was why Richt retired, he didn't want to fire his kid. Manny may never need to do it. But if he has to, he needs to put business before friendship. And Baker, Patke, Rumph are still question marks.
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Baker, Patke and Rumph are all one year in. To say he's yet to fire one of his own—after one season—is flawed logic.

Diaz made the moves he needed to make last off-season—punting on the tandem of Dan Enos and Butch Barry after one year.

Many were concerned both would be retained and given a mulligan, but Diaz wisely pulled the plug on both as the offense (and line) were putrid—replacing with Lashlee and Justice.

Diaz is defense-minded and when he reinserted himself over there things improved.

If the defense continues to struggle, hard not to think Diaz won't make some changes as he knows his career is on the line.

Also logical to think the defense improves as there was a big talent drop-off from 2018 to 2019 and a lot of guys graduating / leaving early.

As long as Miami keeps winning the off-season and bringing in top-flight talent, safe to believe things get better across the board.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
I am now dumber for reading this, thanks
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You're welcome, Zombie. It's not easy creating a post that successfully reduces the IQ of someone on the spectrum even further. The last time I got it right was with Dannyboy on Canestime.
 
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I get Op's point. A guy should get more than a year to prove himself. And look, Manny changed a lot on the offensive side of the ball, it seems like all the talking of last year has disappeared.
Maybe he won't pan out. It won't be because he kept doing the same thing over and over.
 
OhioCanesfan said:
He is on the hot set for sure. If this game against UAB is close, then he is in big trouble
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Imma stay mope through the begin. UAB is going to be 2019 CMU. UAB is better than CMU. Hair will be burning by 8 minutes into 3rd quarter. Neg away brethren.
 
I have a feeling no matter how the season pans out there will be people calling for Manny to be fired and saying that he still sucks.

Even if he does well people will just cowardly say the narrative that it was all because of King and Lashlee or some sort of nonsense like that.

That being said, I am still on the fence about him being a great coach since he is still learning on the job and is inexperienced.
I am not going to jump to either extreme and I will just see how the chips fall and make observations as the season/seasons go by.
 
omaha said:
Would you all prefer he compare Manny to Bill Snyder. Snyder might be one of the greatest coaches of all time when it comes to building a program. Will we give Manny 9 years to get to 11 wins? How many 11 wins seasons have we had since 2003?


YearSchoolGWLTPctSRSSOSAP PreAP HighAP PostBowlNotes
1989Kansas State111100.091-15.11-0.38
1990Kansas State11560.455-1.65-0.10
1991Kansas State11740.6365.360.73
1992Kansas State11560.455-2.80-0.98
1993Kansas State12921.7929.440.361820Copper Bowl-W
1994Kansas State12930.75010.570.911119Aloha Bowl-L
1995Kansas State121020.83315.130.7977Holiday Bowl-W
1996Kansas State12930.75013.133.7121917Cotton Bowl-L
1997Kansas State121110.91715.43-0.072388Fiesta Bowl-W
1998Kansas State131120.84618.392.856210Alamo Bowl-L
1999Kansas State121110.91715.11-0.062056Holiday Bowl-W
2000Kansas State141130.78615.723.93829Cotton Bowl-W
2001Kansas State12660.5009.635.631311Insight Bowl-L
2002Kansas State131120.84616.49-0.1267Holiday Bowl-W
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Kansas State was the worst program in the country when Snyder took over. He showed immediate improvement. In that situation, a coach has a ton of rope.
 
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omaha said:
I am reading and I am not seeing him say Manny is Saban. Where are you guys reading that?

I see that he is making a point that Coaches can recover from poor first seasons.
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And more often than not, they don’t. That’s the more important point
 
I appreciate the optimism, OP, and I'm not going to drag you because I'm full of hope too. I start every season that way until I'm dead certain the HC is a pile of ****. Manny showed some fruit by cutting ties with Penos and the other bums so quickly and replacing them with gigantic upgrades.

It still remains to be seen if Manny can lead men. If he can't he'll ultimately fail no matter what happens this year. I'm always going to be an optimistic homer about UM football though. So I feel great to start the season.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
You can easily, easily pull many, many more stats on coaches that didn't do well in their first year and never did well.

I'd suggest reading the intro of Statistics for Dummies, because your statement is based in literally nothing.
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Learning that very basic statistical premise will save you from looking foolish numerous times throughout life.
 
GladeCane said:
Learning that very basic statistical premise will save you from looking foolish numerous times throughout life.
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There's not even just one that's being missed.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Past results in this instance are unreliable predicting future results.

Cherry-picking samples is not indicative of the data population.

The statement might as well have been "two people drove five times and didn't get into an accident, so that means another person driving won't get into an accident."
 
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