Lowered Expectations...

[TheEye]

I don’t see the commitment to winning from this admin.

It’s telling that Barry Jackson at the Herald wrote an article a few days ago explaining why Miami will never be “back.”

We know that the Herald prints whatever UM wants. It’s almost as if our admin have thrown in the towel, and they are trying to lower fan expectations.

Be happy if we can compete for the coastal. That’s what this program is, and that’s what this program will be for the foreseeable future.

We are an above-average Coastal team, and that’s how it will stay until we get a new BOT, president, athletic director, etc.

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We said that before. Before Blake James, Before Julio Frenk, and likely before many of our current board members.

 

[1mg of Epi]

The article never said that 1mg. All it said is that’s tougher now to win but not an excuse and nothing that should keep us from succeeding with the right staff and of course an offense that’s not in the Middle Ages. OP who started this thread is a liar and part of the sky is falling fan base. Dude just trying to spread his BS negativity.

Ah ok got it. TY

 

[TheEye]

False.

We’re paying less for Manny Diaz than we paid Larry Coker nearly 20 years ago, in real dollars.

I don’t give a **** what we SAY we’re WILLING to pay...talk is cheap. I care what we DO pay.

We have a green, bargain-basement staff. Hope it works out, but hope is a ****** strategy.

Because when we hired an experienced head coach, people wanted him gone in the first year and never let up. Why pay extra when people want the coach fired ASAP?

 

[3GC]

The sentiment of your perspective is true, has been true for sometime, and most people know it deep down. It is hard to admit because many Canes fans entire identity as humans revolves around a blurry caricature of the 1980s (and to a lesser extent 2001). When they die out, the program will be exactly what it is and all that will be left is some dusty 30 for 30 DVD in a box under a urine-stained mattress in a room with a Alabama poster on the wall in Liberty City. The wheezing death rattle of the last 15 years is simply the last breath of a once proud consumptive beast...it will stir every now and then and the plebeian-mob will cheer as their creature-king looks to be rising from his fetid state, but the incompetency of his medical staff will cause him to quickly fall and stumble back to his tattered pustule-absorbing blankets, gasping incoherently about swagga or keeping the crib clean or some other inanity.

I wanna buy the book..

 

[Twhizman]

It's not that the administration doesn't want elite teams.they don't have a clue on who is a best hire.our glory teams had tough intelligent coaches who could evaluate recruits and also develop them better.for 18 yrs we've had lazy hcs who allowed the players to do it their way instead riding their butts to make them better.those coaches and players rode the coattails of the good teams we had.they thought just by wearing that uniform have them the right just to show.they didn't get to be great you have to put the effort into it.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Because when we hired an experienced head coach, people wanted him gone in the first year and never let up. Why pay extra when people want the coach fired ASAP?

People will want any coach fired when he doesn't win. You pay for a great coach so that you can win. Paying the coach is a means to an end, not the end itself.

 

[JTKoval]

I graduated from Miami in 93. The school the OP describes is not the one I remember. There is no reason that a competent HC can’t bring us back. I go back to the U yearly and am amazed at what a great job the administration has done with facilities including sports. And we are paying coaches more. I see a bright future. Oh and if you think Tad Foote would be cool with widespread rule breaking, you nuts.

 

[OrdunaDrive]

actually both posts are correct, but the actions speak louder than words is so spot on it aint funny. If they were that serious about winning football games they would NOT hire a HC thats never coached a game in his life, make sense ?

Right?! Just like Ohio State and Ryan D... oh wait, he's never been an HC. OK, OK, OK, just like Georgia and Kirby Sma... oh wait, him too. OK, OK, OK, just like Oklahoma and Lincoln Ri... ****, him too. Well definitely Clemson and Dabo? Nope. As it turns out, plenty of really good coaches were good in their first job, and plenty of serious programs have hired coordinators.

 

[RightSaidFred]

I graduated from Miami in 93. The school the OP describes is not the one I remember. There is no reason that a competent HC can’t bring us back. I go back to the U yearly and am amazed at what a great job the administration has done with facilities including sports. And we are paying coaches more. I see a bright future. Oh and if you think Tad Foote would be cool with widespread rule breaking, you nuts.

 

[OrdunaDrive]

False.

We’re paying less for Manny Diaz than we paid Larry Coker nearly 20 years ago, in real dollars.

I don’t give a **** what we SAY we’re WILLING to pay...talk is cheap. I care what we DO pay.

We have a green, bargain-basement staff. Hope it works out, but hope is a ****** strategy.

Larry Coker made 450K his first year as HC, then signed an extension that paid about $1 mil/year. His inflation adjusted year 1 salary would likely be just under 700K in 2019, while his post-championship extension would likely net him $1.4 mil/year now. Manny ($3.1 million this year with annual increases to follow) is getting more than 4 times what Coker got out of the gate, and more than double what he got after winning a championship. This is on top of paying Temple their $4 million buyout.

Your assertion is wildly inaccurate.

The University is spending more than enough to attract quality candidates. We just need the coaches to consistently deliver B+ schematic and managerial production.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Larry Coker made 450K his first year as HC, then signed an extension that paid about $1 mil/year. His inflation adjusted year 1 salary would likely be just under 700K in 2019, while his post-championship extension would likely net him $1.4 mil/year now. Manny ($3.1 million this year with annual increases to follow) is getting more than 4 times what Coker got out of the gate, and more than double what he got after winning a championship. This is on top of paying Temple their $4 million buyout.

Your assertion is wildly inaccurate.

The University is spending more than enough to attract quality candidates. We just need the coaches to consistently deliver B+ schematic and managerial production.

Coker got a raise in his later years, to where he was making significantly more than that.

But your bigger point is more interesting. Why is B+ good enough? Alabama has A+ coaching, and they have far more talent than we do.

If we were competing for championships (we're not), then that would be the bar.

 

[hoover437]

I don’t see the commitment to winning from this admin.

It’s telling that Barry Jackson at the Herald wrote an article a few days ago explaining why Miami will never be “back.”

We know that the Herald prints whatever UM wants. It’s almost as if our admin have thrown in the towel, and they are trying to lower fan expectations.

Be happy if we can compete for the coastal. That’s what this program is, and that’s what this program will be for the foreseeable future.

We are an above-average Coastal team, and that’s how it will stay until we get a new BOT, president, athletic director, etc.

The evidence is clear. Miami pays peanuts for coaches and support staff.

We hired a first time head coach, a DC from Louisiana Tech, and a S&C coach with two years of experience at Temple.

Some may want to put a positive spin on it, but to me, it looks like Miami is bargain-hunting as usual.

We won’t play the bag game. We won’t pay for the best coaches. We won’t pay fir the best support staff.

Alabama and Clemson are so far ahead of us right now, it’s laughably sad. These are professional organizations with professional recruiting staffs, top-of-the-line coaches and facilities, elite S&C and nutrition staff, etc.

Miami is like the flea market, mom and pop version of this.

We’ll never be a major player in college football as long as the current band of dopes are in charge.

So if you want to be a fan, be a fan. But lower your expectations. This program is not what it was in the past, and it’s not doing what it would need to do to move in that direction.

Be happy with coastal championships every few years. That’s Miami.

Just like our academics rankings we are falling further behind second and third tier acc schools for talent. They continue to hamstring our head coach with a shutty budget, but we expect to get kids to our their careers into the hands of second and third tier coaches,lolol!!!

 

[3GC]

The fact is, this University is committed to being elite in the academic side of things and not the athletic side. I've been a fan of Miami since I was 10 watching the game against Ohio State. So basically I've never really seen us be truly great but I still refuse to lower my expectations bc I know our potential. I know if I do lower my expectations I would settle for the Golden's and the Richts of the world, which is unacceptable.

Princeton #1
Stanford #7
Duke #8
ND # 18
UCLA #19
USC # 22
UNC #30
The Turds #35
UGA #45
drum roll,, Miami #53

Academic ratings from US News & World report.

Listed schools with FB programs.
Miami is in the top 5 in costs, about 51,000/year.

Sad but true..

 

[ncncanes]

Being “back” is about winning national titles.

Old Canes wouldn’t have given a **** about the playoffs. They wouldn’t be satisfied unless they were winning ships.

If we had made the playoffs last year, we would have gotten smoked by any of the other 3 teams. Miami last year was a mirage...we got lucky on some miracle plays by Langham and others.

2018 is more representative of where Miami is today.

No --- being back is about be in the position to win titles
- Some of our best teams did NOT win the title
- Other teams were talented enough and lucky enough to win ....ie 1983

Stop thinking that winning is about "attitude" or "being an old cane" ... it is about talent
- If we make the playoffs last year and even if we get smoked .... we end up with a better recruiting class ... zero doubt

And stop thinking that today's top teams will always the top teams
- Same thing was said about teams in the past - that it would never change - teams like ND, Nebraska, FSU, Florida USC, Texas and even The U

 

[warpigs58]

I don’t see the commitment to winning from this admin.

It’s telling that Barry Jackson at the Herald wrote an article a few days ago explaining why Miami will never be “back.”

We know that the Herald prints whatever UM wants. It’s almost as if our admin have thrown in the towel, and they are trying to lower fan expectations.

Be happy if we can compete for the coastal. That’s what this program is, and that’s what this program will be for the foreseeable future.

We are an above-average Coastal team, and that’s how it will stay until we get a new BOT, president, athletic director, etc.

The evidence is clear. Miami pays peanuts for coaches and support staff.

We hired a first time head coach, a DC from Louisiana Tech, and a S&C coach with two years of experience at Temple.

Some may want to put a positive spin on it, but to me, it looks like Miami is bargain-hunting as usual.

We won’t play the bag game. We won’t pay for the best coaches. We won’t pay fir the best support staff.

Alabama and Clemson are so far ahead of us right now, it’s laughably sad. These are professional organizations with professional recruiting staffs, top-of-the-line coaches and facilities, elite S&C and nutrition staff, etc.

Miami is like the flea market, mom and pop version of this.

We’ll never be a major player in college football as long as the current band of dopes are in charge.

So if you want to be a fan, be a fan. But lower your expectations. This program is not what it was in the past, and it’s not doing what it would need to do to move in that direction.

Be happy with coastal championships every few years. That’s Miami.

Sounds like you should go start rooting for Bama then....

 

[Miami Nights]

“It’s tougher” is a nice way of letting us down easy.

“It’ll be tough for me to make it to your party” doesn’t mean it will literally be tough, it’s a nice way of telling you that I’m not going to show.

Anyway, consider actions, not words. The admin is doing nothing to make this a top-tier program. Nothing. Not coaching hires, not support staff, nothing. They are managing this team like it’s Duke. And you’re crazy if you don’t think that will show up on the field.

Have the last 15 years taught you nothing? We are what we are.

Take our S&C hire, for example. Our players look NOTHING like Alabama’s....our players are either skinny as a ****pole (pope, perry, etc), or they are sloppy fat (dallas, donaldson, etc)

Alabama LOOKS more athletic, and they of course play more athletic.

I bet you dollars to donuts that we come out next year and get pushed around, just like every other year.

Oh, and we didn’t have top 10 classes two years in a row. That is false.

Miami is a coach away from greatness. I agree that the admins/atheletic director have to be on the same page and make the right choice for the HCing job. These lazy recent hired suggest that these guys are just clueless and lazy. Not a good combo. This diaz hire is lazy. Sorry. hopefully he can turn it around but with the guys selecting him track record im not holding my breath. Hopefully diaz can surround himself with some great people. that all u can ask for. Havent taken the time to look at the guys he's hired so far cant comment on them. Was hoping for fedora at OC but its look like that isn't going to happen. To me the problem seems to be the university it's lack of taking athletics serious as a whole.

 

[GirthQuake]

Roid rage is a myth that has been debunked many many times.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8855834

Even losing hair is a myth too if you’re predisposed to the gene it just accelerated that gene

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

We’re closer to duke than Clemson

Which is fine with our delusional administration. They pretend we’re the Harvard of the South when we’re actually a chickencrap mediocre commuter school that thinks it can charge Ivy League prices for a Toledo, Houston or Bridgeport style education. No wonder no one wants to come to Miami.

 

[gatorsSUCK!]

really a guy who just got his dream job has made 2 hires 1 considered one of best s&c coaches but those in the know meaning not idiot fans who have 0 clue and 1 who despite have bottom 4 resources in all football managed to put a top 40 d in s& p on field we don't know rest of hires but yea a Miami kid who dreamed of one day being canes coach doesn't care how stupid can people on this board be

Huh..

 

[Tad Footeball]

Billy Corbin on WQAM also said Miami will never be back. Forever is a long time but if anyone thinks they are capable of having runs like the 80s and 2000s it’s probably doubtful. They could make the playoffs with the right staff and recruiting but they need to stop with the incompetence from top to bottom.

Word of advice- don't listen to Billy Cohen's opinions about actual football. He makes cute little movies but his actual knowledge about the game is only a hair above Julio Frenk's.