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Gatorhater said:
Thing is, the last 2 coaches had their "boys" and stuck with them to the end. Which of Manny's "boys" has he fired? He has on boys on the O side of the ball so they can be fired. But he thinks himself the god of D and his picks are perfect, just like Golden. The fact that he did not upgrade the D staff shows it. He hired his protege to replace him at DC, when Manny himself need to be upgraded at DC. The guy is a nole and not ready for prime time.
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Or he didn't think the defence was the problem last year.
 
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Hurracanes said:
And that is why we won’t beat the big boys. Until we can play at an elite level against the Clemson’s of the world, we won’t be achieving much more than the Coastal. This Defense is statistically good but proven to be overrated whenever it plays anyone with a pulse. Losers hide behind those overrated statistics.
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When we played Clemson for the ACC, had we had Herndon and Richards on teh field, the D would have been in a better position, remember Clemmie only scored 31 with that high powered O and that was b/c of turnovers and the O putting the D in a bad position. Richards ability to stretch the field allowed for Berrios and Herndon to make plays underneath. When Richards went out, that limited Rosier (our already limited QB) even more. WHen Herndon went down, we were done offensively.
 
Coach Macho said:
He had no freakin' choice but to can Enos and hire Lashlee.

If he had a clue, he wouldn't have hired Enos in the first place!
"I want someone who makes things difficult on defenses."
That man has never had an elite offense in his entire coaching career.

And then you take a 5'2" dual-threat spread QB (Martell) knowing **** well that your new OC is coming here to run 21 Personnel/under center.

And as far as the transfer portal goes...
Yeah great. We can convince 21 year old kids to come here and enjoy South Beach for their last year in college. How 'bout convincing them when they're 18 instead? Do a better job of that.
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I think the ENos hire had more to do with trying to woo Jalen Hurts
 
Gatorhater said:
Thing is, the last 2 coaches had their "boys" and stuck with them to the end. Which of Manny's "boys" has he fired? He has on boys on the O side of the ball so they can be fired. But he thinks himself the god of D and his picks are perfect, just like Golden. The fact that he did not upgrade the D staff shows it. He hired his protege to replace him at DC, when Manny himself need to be upgraded at DC. The guy is a nole and not ready for prime time.
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The last two coaches didn't fire one single person they hired, that is 8 years of not one person being fired

Yes Manny didn't fire his "boys" but has the defense been at the point of what golden's defense or Richt's offense were?
 
Gatorhater said:
What you said could be true until the last to lines. He will find a way to F up the season and identifying issues is like picking out the hottest chick and a total waste of time when you then calmly watch her walk out on the arm of some third sting bench warmer at FIU.

The last line, well my daddy would say, "if a dog had a square *****, it would **** bricks."

We have seen this show already, and I have learned that it doesn't get better with age.
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You may be right.

We have two choices headed into the season. We can either hold the mistakes and problems of the last 20 years over manny's head and look at the program is the simmering dumpster fire it truly has been, or we can look at what manny did his first year as a head coach, acknowledge he made mistakes, look at how he addressed his mistakes and try to find optimism headed into year two.

Personally I prefer to head into the season with a little optimism.

But if you are a glass half empty guy it definitely does not make you less of a fan and you will likely be proven right in at least some way when the season plays out.

If I had total control other than retaining Diaz last year I would sign off on all of his hires and applaud the work he did in the portal. My only two moves would be fire Patke and hire a rock star proven DC and name them "co DC" with Baker but have them call the shots.
 
blushrts said:
I will give Diaz this. He recognizes when he has made a mistake, and doesn't dig in his heels. I was expecting another year of Enos and Barry tbh with a lot of "we have to execute better"

I'm also not seeing all the social media bluster of last off season either.

In hindsight, most of us (me included) looked at Tate through our green tinted glasses. King has produced on the field, and Lincoln Riley couldn't say enough good things about him.
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An ability to fire people is one thing he has over Al Golden. He doesn’t have it over Coker or Shannon. This is clearly on the job training for a promoted UM coordinator and yes, we have lived this one too. He does seem to be listening to the fans (albeit a year too late) with regards to offense. The defense philosophy is the same as when Richt took over, to the fans delight, a four man front with aggression. Great when it works, disastrous when it fails. Exposed when up against an elite o line.
 
Ecush said:
You may be right.

We have two choices headed into the season. We can either hold the mistakes and problems of the last 20 years over manny's head and look at the program is the simmering dumpster fire it truly has been, or we can look at what manny did his first year as a head coach, acknowledge he made mistakes, look at how he addressed his mistakes and try to find optimism headed into year two.

Personally I prefer to head into the season with a little optimism.

But if you are a glass half empty guy it definitely does not make you less of a fan and you will likely be proven right in at least some way when the season plays out.

If I had total control other than retaining Diaz last year I would sign off on all of his hires and applaud the work he did in the portal. My only two moves would be fire Patke and hire a rock star proven DC and name them "co DC" with Baker but have them call the shots.
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At my core I am optimist for most things. Heck, I had us in the playoffs in 2017 and maybe winning it all when we were 10-2 and ranked second. I even was looking for fsu money when Golden got us to 7-0 going into Tally. I was on cruise with a bunch of them in the casino and not one of the cowards would back their eventual NC team. But, I didn't want Manny as DC from the beginning. He burns bright fo short time and then goes out. 2017 was his shooting star. The last two years were is return to years. He is done. That said, he gets us to #2 and shot at playoffs, I will be dancing awaiting the results.
 
TheEye said:
An ability to fire people is one thing he has over Al Golden. He doesn’t have it over Coker or Shannon. This is clearly on the job training for a promoted UM coordinator and yes, we have lived this one too. He does seem to be listening to the fans (albeit a year too late) with regards to offense. The defense philosophy is the same as when Richt took over, to the fans delight, a four man front with aggression. Great when it works, disastrous when it fails. Exposed when up against an elite o line.
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I absolutely do not want a coach that “listens to the fans“. What the fūck do fans know. Other than they either put a good product on the field or not.

I want a coach that is super competent, and eventually gets us to the playoffs, and doesn’t listen to the fans at all. I equate that shlt with trying to be popular, and people that try to be popular, are never effective leaders.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I absolutely do not want a coach that “listens to the fans“. What the fūck do fans know. Other than they either put a good product on the field or not.

I want a coach that is super competent, and eventually gets us to the playoffs, and doesn’t listen to the fans at all. I equate that shlt with trying to be popular, and people that try to be popular, are never effective leaders.
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Well, I agree, however it was overwhelming how many fans were shouting about Golden’s prevent 3 man front and were actually right.

Richt had experience, and stuck to his offensive scheme despite the fan dislike of “vanilla playcalling.”

Personally, I think fans are full of it and only dislike playcalls AFTER they fail. That’s why I am not on the Lashlee or King train until December.
 
HurricaneHauk said:
The last two coaches didn't fire one single person they hired, that is 8 years of not one person being fired

Yes Manny didn't fire his "boys" but has the defense been at the point of what golden's defense or Richt's offense were?
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All true. Both those guys were terribly prideful. I agree that Manny's defense is better than Al's and Mark's offense. The problem is it not good enough and he doesn't see that. He was not good enough as DC and his replace isn't either. He is sitting pat on D like Al did. We need better. But we are not seeing 2017 D on the field any more. He is still playing HIS defense and we need Hurricane defense. He preaches Hurricane defense but play a more complicated one that lives and dies on the blitz.

Cane defense is "meet me at the QB and play run along the way." It was played with a more simple beat the gut in front of you, fly to the ball and hit. DTs collapsed the pocket onto the QB's lap, , flushed him out for the DE;s and lbs to hunt and destroy. On option plays, which drove out of football, they simply tackled everyone while penetrating while containing. Simple and fast. Make a kid think and it slows them down. If you start with slow players, that is fine but with FL speed you strip their advantage away and make them slow. Golden did that and made the fat midwest cows. Manny doesn't seem obsessed with heavy but still slows them with complication. In short, Golden and Mark are not very high bars to clear.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I absolutely do not want a coach that “listens to the fans“. What the fūck do fans know. Other than they either put a good product on the field or not.

I want a coach that is super competent, and eventually gets us to the playoffs, and doesn’t listen to the fans at all. I equate that shlt with trying to be popular, and people that try to be popular, are never effective leaders.
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Wtf is this take. The Miami fanbase has been dead on for going on 20 years. Where the **** have you been?
 
Badbart43 said:
When we played Clemson for the ACC, had we had Herndon and Richards on teh field, the D would have been in a better position, remember Clemmie only scored 31 with that high powered O and that was b/c of turnovers and the O putting the D in a bad position. Richards ability to stretch the field allowed for Berrios and Herndon to make plays underneath. When Richards went out, that limited Rosier (our already limited QB) even more. WHen Herndon went down, we were done offensively.
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What happens if Rosier hits Thomas for a touchdown early? He was so open he was lonely.
 
TheEye said:
An ability to fire people is one thing he has over Al Golden. He doesn’t have it over Coker or Shannon. This is clearly on the job training for a promoted UM coordinator and yes, we have lived this one too. He does seem to be listening to the fans (albeit a year too late) with regards to offense. The defense philosophy is the same as when Richt took over, to the fans delight, a four man front with aggression. Great when it works, disastrous when it fails. Exposed when up against an elite o line.
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I think if the offense improves, and I'm optimistic it will, this defense gets better playing with a lead.
 
yeyo said:
Who’s done nothing but moonlight as a DJ on his IG live lol. Not hating but let’s not overstate things
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Reed was hired about three months before the Coronavirus quarantine. A couple days after he was hired, an elite safety that EVERYONE said was signed, sealed, and delivered to UF chose Miami in one of the most surprising recruiting moves in recent memory. Maybe just a huge coincidence that Williams played for Reed (in an all star game I think). What should he be doing right now- going to players houses and having bbqs?

The criticism that was levied is that Diaz didn't upgrade the defensive staff between year 1 and 2. NFL coaches and players have said that Reed is one of the best ever in understanding how to break down film. If you don't think that will help Miami on defense, then you don't know how important film study is.

Lastly, you trivially dismiss Reed on IG- but Reeds response to Drew Brees was seen on every media outlet. You have parents and recruits watching SEC schools, Big 10 schools, and Clemson making fools of themselves because they don't want to alienate a largely racist fanbase. Diaz, Reed, and the Miami staff have been absolutely perfect in how they've handled the crisis so far. I think it pays off during the next recruiting cycle.
 
Allabouttheu95 said:
Wtf is this take. The Miami fanbase has been dead on for going on 20 years. Where the **** have you been?
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The Miami fan base has been dead on for 20 years, because the results have been so shltty. Fans only bltch when things are going bad - after the fact. It’s real easy to say the playcalling is shlt, when we can’t get first downs.

Results are all that matter. If our coaches win, that will please the fans. I could give a shlt if a coach is popular with the fans or the players, I want results, not a popularity poll winner that says all the right things, runs the offense fans want, but is average. You think Urban Meyer gives a fūck about pleasing the fans? Or Saban?
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
The Miami fan base has been dead on for 20 years, because the results have been so shltty. Fans only bltch when things are going bad - after the fact. It’s real easy to say the playcalling is shlt, when we can’t get first downs.

Results are all that matter. If our coaches win, that will please the fans. I could give a shlt if a coach is popular with the fans or the players, I want results, not a popularity poll winner that says all the right things, runs the offense fans want, but is average. You think Urban Meyer gives a fūck about pleasing the fans? Or Saban?
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Point understood. Didn't know that is what you meant. Completely agree on all fronts.
 
Gameday was an abortion last year but Manny at least shows he is not stubborn when changes need to be made. He easily could've tried to give Enos another year and we would be even further behind. He saw issues and worked to address those issues and shortcomings.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I absolutely do not want a coach that “listens to the fans“. What the fūck do fans know. Other than they either put a good product on the field or not.

I want a coach that is super competent, and eventually gets us to the playoffs, and doesn’t listen to the fans at all. I equate that shlt with trying to be popular, and people that try to be popular, are never effective leaders.
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A. The. ****. Men.
 
Ecush said:
You may be right.

We have two choices headed into the season. We can either hold the mistakes and problems of the last 20 years over manny's head and look at the program is the simmering dumpster fire it truly has been, or we can look at what manny did his first year as a head coach, acknowledge he made mistakes, look at how he addressed his mistakes and try to find optimism headed into year two.

Personally I prefer to head into the season with a little optimism.

But if you are a glass half empty guy it definitely does not make you less of a fan and you will likely be proven right in at least some way when the season plays out.

If I had total control other than retaining Diaz last year I would sign off on all of his hires and applaud the work he did in the portal. My only two moves would be fire Patke and hire a rock star proven DC and name them "co DC" with Baker but have them call the shots.
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Cush........totally agree. The "D" will need some help.

Manny did pivot quickly, and responded with a revamp and a new look on O.

Now his recruiting has to fit the mold to enhance the new team concept.
Using the portal to accomplish this is a plus.

Utilizing the assets on hand during the game, and short term, long term, (considering injuries, depth etc) for a season is another question.

Good points, the optimism meter is pointing up at the start, now how Manny uses those horses will be important.
 
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