Looking ahead

[1mg of Epi]

You write this over and over, as if you haven’t noticed any of potential the flaws in your own refrain. Our nfl talent has waned massively. A few marginal guys don’t tell us anything about an overall roster. Our roster management = talent = mismanaged for 15 years. We consistently lack depth and experience, guys leave early, etc. And maybe, just maybe, a few nfl kids is a misleading metric entirely, and not what we should be recruiting for. And the results are awful. We got pounded like a **** newbie by FIU and LT. But you’re still talkimbout nfl whatever. Sorry, it isn’t adding up.

*I will come back to your next comment re nfl kids*

You’ve lost perspective. Do you know how many kids would fit your definition of A-A ‘caliber’ if we went to all fan bases in the country? Plenty of teams have two kids who they can describe this way. A much more important question is how many actual first team all americans have we had the past decade? second team?

If ‘have a chance‘ is the standard, it’s a long list for all fan bases. Your bolded looks like the key point.


We agree better coaching is needed. The question remains whether our talent is as good as the nfl references would have some believe.

I think you two are answering two very different questions.


@Ethnicsands is answering: “Does Miami have the talent to compete nationally?”

@DMoney is answering: “Does Miami have the talent to compete for the ACC coastal?”

Therefore your both right.

 

[TemplarCane]

Plenty of Miami players were recruited by major schools. The Canes have more ‘talent’ than the end results on the field. Unfortunately, the ‘talent’ is based on star ranking and offer sheets. No doubt to me that better coaching, from position techniques, schemes, playcalling, motivation would have resulted in a better record. Clemson, LSU, or Ohio State level? No, of course not.

One key problem, among many, is evaluating who has the mindset to bust their *** to be the best. Not many on this team. Couple lazy with poor coaching and you lose to FIU and ‘go through the motions’ in a bowl game shutout loss to LaTech.

 

[Mandingo]

Roster strength:

Defense;
-S: Hall, Bolden, Carter, Frierson, K. Smith [Harrell, Balom, Washington]
-DB: Blades, Ivey, Couch, C. Williams [Clarke]
-LB: Brooks, Huff, McCloud, Joyner, Steed*, Jennings [TAC, Flagg]
-DE: Patchan, Phillips, Cam. Williams, Harvey, Rousseau [Chantz, QW]
-DT: Ford, Silvera, Miller, Blissett, Hunte, Holley [Moise, Roberts]

Notes: Seems okay. Thin at CB, unproven most places, decent talent and potential. Not top level but not a disaster. An injury to a CB would hurt. Need a LB to step up.

Offense:
- OT: Scaife, Herbert, Hillery, Nelson, ElGammel [Rivers, Washington]
-OG/C: Donaldson, Traore, Reed, Clark, Campbell, Gaynor
-TE: Jordan, Mallory, Polendey, Irvin, Hodges [Mammarelli]
-WR: Harley, Wiggins, Pope, Payton [Redding, Daz, Restreppo]
-RB: Harris, Burns [Chaney, Knighton]
-QB: JW, Perry, Tate, Matocha [TVD]
-P/K: Hedley, Baxa

Notes: OL is an issue. TE falls apart after top 2. WR unproven, some talent, lacks depth. RB has talent, but will rely on true frosh. QB missing. Kicker no bueno.

A new OC has to come on, find a QB, work with a bad OL, introduce a spread to a WR room with 4 returning guys, and rely on true frosh RBs. Anyone expecting a miracle here is right - it would tale a miracle.

Good news is next year’s schedule is the worst yet. Hot trash. As bad as we’ll be, no reason we shouldn’t be competitive in all games. Still, talent is unproven, thin and inexperienced. And culture and team commitment are questions. Guess: 6-6

The guy at UL wouldn’t need a miracle to win 10 with that squad and the projected schedule. Just good coaching.

 

[Mandingo]

You guys always ragging on the QBs are clueless. You expect the QB to turn water into wine with a terrible Oline that Tom Brady couldn't work with.

FYI, Brady has thrown for < 56% in 7 games this year. Not surprising NE has their worst offensive line in a decade.

Saying our QBs suck is just a typical disgruntled fan venting without an understanding of the game. We won't know what we really have until the offensive line improves dramatically regardless of who is at QB.

And a highly competent OC will help the OL. Goes hand & hand.

 

[Mandingo]

No, he wasn't. I posted the stats. He had 2 fewer TDs, and averaged almost 3 yds/catch less in 2019 than in 2018. Sure, he had more catches and yards, but that's because he was their #1 receiver, while he was lower on our depth chart. ****, Dee Wiggins stats this year were not that far off Cager's. Osborn had more yards than Cager.

Cager was with us, and was for Georgia, a decent, serviceable receiver, nothing more. Not deserving of the hate when he was with us, but also not deserving of the false narrative that he turned into some sort of star for Georgia.

Cager dropped quite a few balls while at Miami. Thus the hate. But I agree with the rest.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

They were not running for their life every other play. Enough hyperbole already.

As for the OL, they are cut from the same cloth as the QBs. All guys that dominated in high school because of their measureables. They can't do that at this level, and they are lost because of it. They are all having a hard time learning, and that's why they all look the same today as the day they arrived.

Leading FBS in sacks given. Just shut up with this already.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

I’m not tearing kids down. This is a discussion board. It’s the off season. We discuss. *shrugs*

When people say our QBs suck and we should look in the Portal etc
, that's a statement not a discussion.

 

[ThomasM]

Leading FBS in sacks given. Just shut up with this already.

When you realize a lot of those sacks were because the QBs didn't have enough brains to know to throw the **** ball away, maybe you will just shut up already. Bad QB play makes a shaky OL look even worse than they are. When your QB can't even throw the ball away when running out of bounds for a 5 yard loss, and you defend that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[The Svengali]

I think we will surprise and improve a ton, and go 7-6 next year.

7-6 gets us to a bowl game

 

[rok]

1st team: Harris, Harley, Pope, Wiggins, Jordan
2nd team: Chaney, Knighton, Payton, Redding, Mallory
3rd team: Burns, Restrepo, Worsham, Hodges, Irving
4th team: Parrott, Howard, Few, Polendey, Mamarelli

BOLD denotes blue chip recruit

 

[maurice3p]

8-4 next season

LB’s and Saftey play scare me. I still think miami will be ranked top40ish in defense.

I love the RB’s & TE’s, entire OL is back (might be a bad thing)

WR is a question mark but they are deep.

N’Kosi Perry should start, he’s a poor mans Jameis Winston. He’ll throw 30 tds & 20 ints

 

[Ethnicsands]

Barry Jackson in Miami Herald today:

UM has had 31 players who were listed on ESPN’s top 200 list of recruits for the 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 classes. But that doesn’t do any good if one of UM’s two five-star recruits - Lingard - doesn’t get any playing time and decides to transfer, and if the other five-star recruit - receiver Mark Pope - touched the ball only 23 times this season.

What’s more, of those 31, only seven were starters this season and only three (tight end Brevin Jordan, cornerback Al Blades Jr., running back Cam’Ron Harris) played particularly well, with Jordan missing the final four games and Harris averaging just 2.6 yards per carry in the bowl game.

Among UM’s other top 200 recruits for 2018, Nesta Silvera (50th) had nine tackles as a backup defensive tackle, quarterback Jarren Williams (106th) played poorly in the final three games, receiver Brian Hightower (141st) transferred, guard Cleveland Reed (143rd) quit the team and now plans to return; safety Gurvan Hall (178th) was decent but not great; striker Gilbert Frierson (188th) was a modest contributor and tight end Will Mallory (190th) struggled before coming on late in the season.


Among the 2017 top 200 UM recruits on the ESPN list, several have been disappointments: quarterback N’Kosi Perry, guard Navaughn Donaldson (to an extent, though far from a bust), offensive tackle Kai-Leon Herbert and running back Robert Burns, and the top defensive recruit - DJ Johnson - transferred.

So if you land all of these top 200 prospects, what does it matter if they don’t play like it?

 

[TrueFloridian]

Best guesses on what record saves Manny vs dooms him?

8-4 or better he stays. 5 or more losses he's out.