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Lol at the UGA fanbase

I do think it's important to note, as someone above said, Richt might not have won national titles or as many SEC titles as they wanted, but he created those standards and he put them (fanbase and program) in a position to want that or expect that. If you don't believe me, google Jim Donnan and Ray Goff. Or even Vince Dooley after 1983.
 
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Notsince1985 said:
I do think it's important to note, as someone above said, Richt might not have won national titles or as many SEC titles as they wanted, but he created those standards and he put them (fanbase and program) in a position to want that or expect that. If you don't believe me, google Jim Donnan and Ray Goff. Or even Vince Dooley after 1983.
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Reading an article about this very thing right now on SBNation. Here's a little excerpt:

The idea of Glen Mason Territory is based around that idea. Minnesota won more consistently under Mason than under any coach since the 1940s, but he struggled to clear the bar he'd set. He went 18-8 in 2002-03 but followed with 20 wins in the next three years; good for Minnesota, but not good enough. After a 6-7 2006, capped with a huge blown lead in the Insight Bowl, the Gophers dumped Mason in favor of Tim Brewster ... and went 17-33 over the next four seasons. Minnesota didn't win more than seven games until the eighth season after his ouster.

GMT™ is established when fans get frustrated with merely being successful. Once you raise the bar, you have to keep raising it. Perhaps it should be called Mark Richt Territory.

In 15 years, Richt engineered seven top-10 finishes; the Dawgs had only pulled that off 10 times in the 51 years before him.
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It is more likely that UGA falls back to where they were in the 90s in the next 4-5 years than them winning a NC
 
Colin cowherd was ripping them a few weeks ago for getting rid of richt saying that they could turn out to be the new tennessee after fulmer was fired
 
Andrew said:
Richt lost big games he should have won and Alabama consistently pulled top talent out of GA. It is the equivalent of us always losing to FSU every year and they winning the National Championship a handful of times with players from Miami. I like Richt and think he will do well at Miami, but his firing was just.
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So, you think Kirby Smart will do well?

Because, IMO, firing Richt should have meant finding an upgrade.

And with guys like Dan Mullen, Tom Herman, and Justin Fuente available to be poached, UGA grabbed the least proven of multiple options available. They basically made a similar hire to what schools like Kentucky, Houston, SMU, Rutgers, and Maryland did .... Hired a coordinator from a winning program.

If UGA is such a plum job and infinite resource program, Kirby Smart must be a can't miss candidate.

But I just don't see that being the case ...

Had they stolen Mullen from Miss State, I could see Richt's firing as being justified. Even firing Richt for Tom Herman might make sense. But for Smart? I'm not seeing it ...
 
If the standard that an athletic department and fan base is going to hold a coach to is 1) beating your rivals more than you lose 2) winning the conference with some regularity and 3) being in true contention for a national championship, Richt's termination was justified since he did none of those things. It is debatable wether those things were realistic for Georgia, but is not debatable that he did not deliver them.

I think he has as good a chance or better to do that here than georgia, but if he doesn't he needs to be gone by year 5.
 
UGA is a second tier program and probably always will be

some programs just aren't on that level, no matter how much they wanna be

think about what would have happened to uga if golden had been coaching up there
 
Larry Coker was the absolute WORST COACH . Shapiro couldn't hang around Butch ..and Shannon ,horrible as he was ...saw right through Shaipro from the beginning. Terrible as he was as a Head-Coach ... his insistence that players have nothing to do with the little rat-**** is what helped limit the damage. His firing of the coaches who ignored that order was also proof that the program was not "all in" as Shapiro claimed.

As for UGA and Richt ....no doubt the higher-ups and some fans believed that Richt had plateaued. They were (like most other SEC bosses) only seeing that Nick Satan was winning titles, Miss. St. was talking title contention ..as was Ole Miss,FSU,UF,OSU,Baylor and TAMU had flirted with the top. What they may not have noticed (or chose to ignore) was the dirty laundry,tactics and bagmen employed by most of those teams.

For all the chiding that Richt got for one or two college kids puffing weed or drinking ( Who would have thought it ...college kids doing pot and drink? The horror !) his former program is currently under NO scrutiny nor is/was it a suspect in any hair-raising horrible scandals. The other shoe has dropped at Ole Miss,Miss St, Baylor,UF under Urban, ..and the list goes on. If you think that the Baylor cops were in Art Briles' pocket....imagine what gets covered up at Alabama, LSU and Auburn. That can't /won't happen in Ga. ..not with the AJC.

So Smart inherits a clean well-run program ..scandal-free program . One where his predecessor didn't care where a kid went if he was no longer happy there. Smart comes in as Mr Tough-guy. He's laying down the law and he's going to win Titles (he says). Well, here's the thing...he ain't in Alabammy no more. The press there in Ga. will rip him. A senior LB won't be able to sell or distribute coke but when arrested have the Head-Coach claim that neither he nor the team KNEW or SUSPECTED anythang ...and expect to absolved of any blame. Players will actually be brought up on charges because the entire state won't be licking the Head-Coaches boots as if he were a little tin god. He'd better win ... he'd better win big...and he'd better win clean.
 
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This is not necessarily true. While richt lost big games Alabama is not the team that takes talent from the state, auburn, Tennessee and Clemson have taken way more players than Alabama has. Georgia is pretty much the same tier auburn is but they think they are bama. Auburn has gotten extremely lucky to be in two title games so there should never be an expectation to be in the game.
 
Saban beat Richt because Richt has never been a win-at-all-costs type of guy. Richt suspended guys even when vital games were involved. Short of finding a player handcuffed to a dead body ...or one getting shot by the FBI while attempting to rob a Wells-Fargo and holding a group of nuns hostage at the same time ..Nick Saban isn't going to do what Richt does in terms of discipline. Plus where Tenn,Auburn,LSU and 'Bama are concerned ...you are talking about having top-of-the-line bagmen.
 
There were a very small % of Dawg fms that truly wanted coach gone, plus the AD is a doofus puppet to a few big boosters a and never liked or supported Coach in any way. With the talent he left and 2016 recruits he had already offered Kirby better win early on are he will hear from the fans who did not necessarily want him there. One real funny comment someone posted above that Mullen would be upgrade over Richt is delusional. Am still a Dawg season ticket holder, but will pull for coach and Canes where before only pulled for them when they occasionally played gaturds or Tech.
 
Having been at Alabama, Smart knows all about how to set up a new set of bagmen. Shockingly, he's tearing it up recruiting in Georgia right now. I know Georgia was very worried about him taking the USCe job, after they blew it with Herman. The big dawg boosters wanted Richt gone after the UF fiasco. I still haven't figured out why he kept Bauta in the game. I do think that when Richt was actually involved with the coaching, Georgia was a better team, but for some reason, he stepped back. I think a lot of that had to do with pressure from above. Smart might suck as a coach, and could be a Muschamp 2.0, but he definitely brings an edge that hasn't been there.
 
westcoastcanes said:
If the standard that an athletic department and fan base is going to hold a coach to is 1) beating your rivals more than you lose 2) winning the conference with some regularity and 3) being in true contention for a national championship, Richt's termination was justified since he did none of those things. It is debatable wether those things were realistic for Georgia, but is not debatable that he did not deliver them.

I think he has as good a chance or better to do that here than georgia, but if he doesn't he needs to be gone by year 5.
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Ok, he didn't beat Florida enough (5-10 against them). But, UGA has more than one rival. GT is just as big a rival as UF, and Auburn and UGA have played longer than any other Deep South school (since 1892 or something), 119 times, and they hate each other. I live in between Tennessee and UGA and those 2 schools hate each other. UGA and South Carolina hate each other too. Richt was 13-2 against GT, 10-5 against Auburn, 10-5 against Tennessee and 9-6 against USC.
 
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Notsince1985 said:
westcoastcanes said:
If the standard that an athletic department and fan base is going to hold a coach to is 1) beating your rivals more than you lose 2) winning the conference with some regularity and 3) being in true contention for a national championship, Richt's termination was justified since he did none of those things. It is debatable wether those things were realistic for Georgia, but is not debatable that he did not deliver them.

I think he has as good a chance or better to do that here than georgia, but if he doesn't he needs to be gone by year 5.
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Ok, he didn't beat Florida enough (5-10 against them). But, UGA has more than one rival. GT is just as big a rival as UF, and Auburn and UGA have played longer than any other Deep South school (since 1892 or something), 119 times, and they hate each other. I live in between Tennessee and UGA and those 2 schools hate each other. UGA and South Carolina hate each other too. Richt was 13-2 against GT, 10-5 against Auburn, 10-5 against Tennessee and 9-6 against USC.
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I didn't even know those were rivalries, not sure how many people without an interest in those programs nationally do. That was specifically about his record vs. Ufag, as it pertains to us, if he starts 0-3 or worse against FSU the skies probably won't be friendly for long.
 
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Notsince1985 said:
westcoastcanes said:
If the standard that an athletic department and fan base is going to hold a coach to is 1) beating your rivals more than you lose 2) winning the conference with some regularity and 3) being in true contention for a national championship, Richt's termination was justified since he did none of those things. It is debatable wether those things were realistic for Georgia, but is not debatable that he did not deliver them.

I think he has as good a chance or better to do that here than georgia, but if he doesn't he needs to be gone by year 5.
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Ok, he didn't beat Florida enough (5-10 against them). But, UGA has more than one rival. GT is just as big a rival as UF, and Auburn and UGA have played longer than any other Deep South school (since 1892 or something), 119 times, and they hate each other. I live in between Tennessee and UGA and those 2 schools hate each other. UGA and South Carolina hate each other too. Richt was 13-2 against GT, 10-5 against Auburn, 10-5 against Tennessee and 9-6 against USC.
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I didn't even know those were rivalries, not sure how many people without an interest in those programs nationally do. That was specifically about his record vs. Ufag, as it pertains to us, if he starts 0-3 or worse against FSU the skies probably won't be friendly for long.
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Everyone knows GT-UGA. The others? I thought they were well known, but maybe it's where I live.
 
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Andrew said:
Richt lost big games he should have won and Alabama consistently pulled top talent out of GA. It is the equivalent of us always losing to FSU every year and they winning the National Championship a handful of times with players from Miami. I like Richt and think he will do well at Miami, but his firing was just.
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So, you think Kirby Smart will do well?

Because, IMO, firing Richt should have meant finding an upgrade.

And with guys like Dan Mullen, Tom Herman, and Justin Fuente available to be poached, UGA grabbed the least proven of multiple options available. They basically made a similar hire to what schools like Kentucky, Houston, SMU, Rutgers, and Maryland did .... Hired a coordinator from a winning program.

If UGA is such a plum job and infinite resource program, Kirby Smart must be a can't miss candidate.

But I just don't see that being the case ...

Had they stolen Mullen from Miss State, I could see Richt's firing as being justified. Even firing Richt for Tom Herman might make sense. But for Smart? I'm not seeing it ...
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I didn't say Kirby Smart would do better, but GA has better athletes than every state around them with the exception of Florida and yet schools like Ole Miss, Miss St and Alabama have performed better than them. I think they could have got a more proven coach than Kirby Smart, but we shall see.
 
ThomasM said:
Georgia's problems were above Mark Richt, much like ours were above Larry Coker, Randy Shannon, and Al Golden.
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Even if Richt lost control over the offense, He was still responsible for hiring His OCs...so no, the problems weren't over His head.

As far as Coker,Shannon, & Golden are concerned, I'd say the problems were more over Coker & Shannon's heads, more than Golden...Golden had unprecedented administration (Shalala & James) support at UM.
 
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