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Lingard in the Portal

Cribby said:
Well the new Miami fans support guys walking out over the guys staying and repping the team. So you should’t be shocked. Not saying to bash the kid leaving , just saying don’t bash the kid who is staying.

Fact is I have a mind of my own and with all due respect to friends and families of players leaving, but they have reason to be butthurt. Especially when their friend or family isn’t playing as much as they think they should.

All friends and families think their kid is being screwed or held down if they don’t play.

Honestly the only thing I know is he left and didn’t play much under two staffs. He could go be great elsewhere but he could also disappear like many have. We’ll see, but I don’t know enough to give a strong opinion like most in here. But I do know most people will go against the staff right now no matter what the situation is , because of the on field circumstances.
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This board is a cesspool and a high school clique. If one or 2 posters post something its the gospel, the mob quickly starts gargling balls. As much as Manny has failed this year I find it hard to believe he would flat out lie about Lo suggesting to the staff to redshirt. Did he lie about McCord wanting to redshirt too? If Lo doesn´t want to be a Cane anymore so be it. Stop blaming the doctors, HC, Strength Coach or Terry Porter. Best of luck to him
 
joglen15 said:
I'm paying attention. I agree that the coaches are sht. But accountability needs to happen at all levels, can't just mope around the job because you don't like the boss.
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This is the kicker in all of this. All these dudes posting about this, that or the other thing. Players need to step the **** up and play for their team, no matter the coaching. These players collectively suck
 
Stefan Adams said:
Really struggled with pass blocking, retaining information/remembering plays, running too stiff. Still an elite talent overall. If he does well elsewhere, it'll be because he corrected those issues, not because they didn't exist. Wish him the best in the future.
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LOL. Was the guy who told you that confident in the information?
 
I'd love to be more critical of Lorenzo Lingard as a player...listen, I'm sure he hasn't lived up to what he was supposed to be and the injury probably devalued him a bit. But its hard to really judge considering the bozos we have coaching here.

One thing I will say, I was one of the people that always thought Cam'Ron (Davis) Harris was a better, more complete running back. There is no doubt Lingard looked special in high school running the football. He was insanely fast. Even the occasional sprinkle we saw here in his freshman year he flashed that potential. But, there is more to playing running back and getting consistent snaps than just being able to run the football. Blocking, receiving, and knowing the playbook are all important, too. It should be noted that Cam'Ron Harris was pretty much ahead of Lingard on the depth chart from Day 1 here.

Still, for this man to not see the field here is incredibly weird here. Either his injury devalued him THAT much or he's completely clueless once he steps on the field or this staff is just a complete disaster. I'd wager a combination of all three, but I don't know anything.

With that said, we got Harris with Don Chaney and Jaylen Knighton next year...I think I'll get over it unless this fool goes to FSU or UF. That's some scorned lover ****.

Running back is a dime a dozen position, especially in South Florida. We've missed out on a lot of high end ones, but we've always had backs that start collecting checks in the NFL, often ending up better than more highly rated players around the country when its all say done. Even like D-quality backs at Miami like Mark Walton eventually started in the NFL. We'll be fine from a talent perspective.

But...we really need to start running the football in volume. Running the ball like 33 times a game is no bueno in the modern game. If you ran the football at a respectable rate, you'd be giving a guy like Lingard his 4 or 5 carries a game and he's probably happy. Run the ball 33 times a game and he gets nothing and he bolts. The shelf life for a running back is incredibly short as the need and value for them drops professionally and in college...if you're not ready to go you get easily passed up, and when you're at a school that doesn't really run the ball, there aint many touches for ya, kid. You can find runners any and everywhere at that point.

I'd like to see him come back after there is a new OC named, but if not...I get it.
 
TooColdToHold said:
So the guy who probably had more success with stud freshmen running backs than anyone goes to UM and suddenly decides that it is a good idea to keep a 5 star stud on the bench? That makes zero sense. Richt didn't play him because he didn't show that he was good enough.
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This can’t be real life; lol.

So Travis Homer is the incumbent starter; DeeJay is the back up who showed his mantel the yr before as a true freshman splitting carries w Homer. We already have our one two punch. Do u know what Homer is doing now? Lol. So Richt was going put Lo over a NFL RB, huh?

Do u know why Gurley started? Do u know y Chubb started? Maybe u should do some research and understand context b4 posting.

Gurley started b/c there was no incumbent starter ahead of him. He and Marshall was a tag team b/c there was no one ahead of them. Crowell left the program & it was an open competition. After Gurley left, Marshall was supposed to be thee guy, but he got injured the year before, and never returned to form. Chubb stepped in & never looked back. He, then, became the incumbent starter, w Marshall being back up.
 
Is there anyone here close to this situation that can please explain this debacle because there has to be more to this story. Every week during this season it seems like we kept hearing, "He looks really healthy and we should see him this game." Then. ..nothing. Then the next week came, "Lo looks ready to go." Then...nothing. Does Manny have some sort of grudge against this kid? Also, I work with a couple Gator fans and supposedly the Gates have been watching this situation closely and have a big need for a good RB going into next season. It's really going to suck if Lo goes to Gainesville and blows up.
 
DMoney said:
Dallas and Homer played over Lingard because they were better players. When Lingard signed, everyone assumed he would take carries from those two right away. That didn't happen because of his limitations.

Richt had Todd Gurley and still found a way to get Sony Michel and Nick Chubb meaningful touches as soon as they stepped on campus. RB is not an experience position. There is some pass pro to learn, but you can either run or you can't. The fact that Lingard didn't get any meaningful touches under Richt should tell you all you need to know.

Then he got hurt. If he was healthy, he would've been ahead of Burns. Harris would have probably beaten him out. Sucks to lose him but there's no conspiracy here.
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I agree with you that if Lingard was as good as his 5 Star rating, we probably would've seen it right away.

But I wouldn't put too much stock in Richt's depth charts. Gus Edwards & Travis Homer couldn't get any carries over Mark Walton & Joe Yearby in 2016 - and we see how that's played out.

Lingard got more burn than Cam in 2018 and put up better numbers before getting hurt. So at least you'd have to say he was better than Cam when healthy.

What doesn't make sense to me is - Lingard was cleared mid-September. 2 1/2 months later vs Duke Burns gets 18 carries for 48 yards. Doesn't have a run over 5 yds all game. It doesn't seem likely that Lingard was still so injured, or so far behind Burns at that point that he couldn't at least get a couple carries. And in the bowl game - if you're playing 3rd string Tate Martell to see what you have, wouldn't it make sense to do the same with Lingard - who was now 3/12 months removed from being cleared medically?

Who really knows what was going on behind the scenes - but I have a hard time believing there wasn't something more than just Lingards talent & health that kept Manny from playing him.
 
BoxingRobes said:
I'd love to be more critical of Lorenzo Lingard as a player...listen, I'm sure he hasn't lived up to what he was supposed to be and the injury probably devalued him a bit. But its hard to really judge considering the bozos we have coaching here.

One thing I will say, I was one of the people that always thought Cam'Ron (Davis) Harris was a better, more complete running back. There is no doubt Lingard looked special in high school running the football. He was insanely fast. Even the occasional sprinkle we saw here in his freshman year he flashed that potential. But, there is more to playing running back and getting consistent snaps than just being able to run the football. Blocking, receiving, and knowing the playbook are all important, too. It should be noted that Cam'Ron Harris was pretty much ahead of Lingard on the depth chart from Day 1 here.

Still, for this man to not see the field here is incredibly weird here. Either his injury devalued him THAT much or he's completely clueless once he steps on the field or this staff is just a complete disaster. I'd wager a combination of all three, but I don't know anything.

With that said, we got Harris with Don Chaney and Jaylen Knighton next year...I think I'll get over it unless this fool goes to FSU or UF. That's some scorned lover ****.

Running back is a dime a dozen position, especially in South Florida. We've missed out on a lot of high end ones, but we've always had backs that start collecting checks in the NFL, often ending up better than more highly rated players around the country when its all say done. Even like D-quality backs at Miami like Mark Walton eventually started in the NFL. We'll be fine from a talent perspective.

But...we really need to start running the football in volume. Running the ball like 33 times a game is no bueno in the modern game. If you ran the football at a respectable rate, you'd be giving a guy like Lingard his 4 or 5 carries a game and he's probably happy. Run the ball 33 times a game and he gets nothing and he bolts. The shelf life for a running back is incredibly short as the need and value for them drops professionally and in college...if you're not ready to go you get easily passed up, and when you're at a school that doesn't really run the ball, there aint many touches for ya, kid. You can find runners any and everywhere at that point.

I'd like to see him come back after there is a new OC named, but if not...I get it.
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I always like reading your takes. I agree the Lingard situation is weird, and we also need to run the ball more.

But Cam wasn't ahead of Lingard from Day 1. Lingard was definitely playing more and was better before getting hurt in 2018.

And saying RB's are a dime a dozen in South Florida can be tricky. Yes, South Florida produces more RB talent than anywhere else - but South Florida RB's can tend to get overrated as well. We've been getting too many of the overrated. There's maybe 1 "special" type RB talent a year on average - but there isn't 1 in every year. We can't get them all - but we've been missing out too many of the really good ones.

But I think Chaney is the guy who can turn that around. I think Chaney has the most potential - but both Chaney & Knighton are both better talents than Cam, so I'm hoping they can show that from Day 1.
 
The Franchise said:
LOL. Was the guy who told you that confident in the information?
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Elite talent and stiff runner does not compute.

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No clue what really went down. I am leaning on it being some stupid grudge/favoritism thing after Lingard’s family started posting stuff about him being healthy which was contradictory to what the staff was saying. The staff is playing games and was lying about injuries, so who knows what the **** else is going on.

Just think about how Rousseau was on the bench early this year and how the staff was playing the favorite over him until they were forced to play the more productive player.

I’m not sure what to make of this Highsmith rumor. But if he is brought in as the football czar for da U, he needs to take a flamethrower to the football staff. Rebuild that “culture” cause Manure doesn’t have a clue and needs someone to hold his hand just like Flake does. I trust Lance more than I do Manure’s dancing analytics
 
joglen15 said:
I'm paying attention. I agree that the coaches are sht. But accountability needs to happen at all levels, can't just mope around the job because you don't like the boss.
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Nope you can’t but you do know when he’s incompetent and will not give him or her anything extra!
 
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