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Lingard and coach’s lack of communication

Rellyrell said:
I agree w/ you, and I'm not sure the argument is sitting Deejay or Cam for Lo. UGA, as an example, primarily run w/ Swift and Herrien, but they find a way to get Cook on the field as well. Herrien is gone next year, and Swift is looking like a 3 and out back. You keep Cook happy by getting him some touches, and you also get to see what you have as a Jr RB next year when he becomes the bell cow.

I know I vented a lot of stuff b/c just reading some of these post just got on me 100, but my point is that Lo can easily be incorporated. Plus, let's give the young man some confidence in his knee. Give him something to get dressed for. I'm sure this will happen, but this lack of communication....we've heard this narrative way too often from multiple staffs, now.
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And I completely agree that there needs to be a way to get him on the field and involved, and to get some confidence. Getting a 3rd RB 4-6 touches is completely reasonable, especially when that guy brings something no one else in the backfield does, elite top end speed. Also, given how good of a pass catcher Deejay is, it seems to me that having both Deejay and Lo on the field would present matchup problems, including using Lo as a jet sweep option. And, let's be clear, our offense is struggling in many ways (as the statistics show), so getting more playmakers on the field and involved should absolutely be our goal.

My big pushback to some of the complaints were around criticisms that the coaches had screwed up by not getting him in the Central Michigan game, which then warranted the apparent frustration from Lo and his family. I hope that this whole thing can become a non-issue as the coaches find a way to integrate a really talented RB into our offense.
 
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Rellyrell said:
The Canes sucking has forced my hand to watch all of CFB. Ppl will soon realize that when I say chit on this board, I’m not just talking chit. After 2013, I became a CFB fan v. solely focusing on Miami. And all I’m left wondering is based upon the excuses this fan base use time and time again to justify incompetence, mediocrity, lack of player development, y don’t I see these perpetual habits elsewhere?

We’ve heard, ‘well the reason y we’re 0-2 to start the season is b/c we have a freshman QB.’
-Johnny Manziel took A&M to new heights as a RS Fr.
-Justin Fields is now 3-0
-The Crab Thief took FSU to new heights as a RS Fr.
-Tua came fresh off the bench down 20 at half to win a Nat’l Championship as a True Fr.
-Trevor Lawrence just methodically picked apart a defense some claimed as a top 10 all time for a National Title as a True Fr.
-Sam Howell just started his career 2-0 against two P5 opponents, including leading a 4th qtr come back against us, to start the season.
-****, USC's 3rd string QB who hadn't thrown a ball since his freshman yr of high school, just popped off the bench and beat a top 10 team!

We’ve heard, ‘well Manny is a 1st yr coach, that’s y we’re struggling.
-Chris Petersen’s first yr he went 13-0
-Fisher went 10-4 first yr
-Eli Drinkwitz has started 3-0 at App St including JUST beating a P5 school, the school we lost to.
-Rod Carey went 12-2 in his 1st yr, is now at Temple, and just beat a P5 team
-Ryan Day is now 7-0 to start his coaching career, and he’s 3-0 this season w a new QB

We’ve heard, ‘well the team is full of divas, that’s y we can’t win.’
-UGA
-Bama
-Clemson
-LSU
-OSU
-Oklahoma
-Texas
-PSU
All of them have way higher profiled recruits than us, and are winning w no issues

We’ve heard ‘it’s our lack of talent, that’s why we’re losing.
-We’ve out recruited EVERYONE in the Coastal and dang near everyone in the ACC w the exception of Clemson & FSU
-We’ve out recruited Wisconsin, yet we got smashed twice by them.
-We’re out recruiting UVA, yet we couldn’t score 17 points on them.
-We’ve out recruited Boise St
-We’ve out recruited Utah
-We’ve out recruited KSU
-We’ve out recruited Iowa
And all those teams are top 25

‘But we have a loaded back field bro; Lo can’t play.’
-See FSU during Dalvin years
-See Bama last yr
-See Clemson
-See UGA
-See ND

I swear I’m not trying to be on my hood down tip, but some of these mofos got excuses to explain excuses. Excuses are tools of the incompetence, and no, I didn’t expect Manny to be some world beater, but he decided to run his mouth to give us the feel he’ll be a world beater. Some things r excusable, but majority of this unexplainable, chit of a show that’s going on, is not.

Now fight me on anything I just laid out.
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OK here goes. But don't mistake me as a slurper because I'm not. My issue is not anyone of the ones you mentioned.

  1. If all else were equal, you may have a point. But all of those examples had much better lines, even UNC. In fact, in the OSU and GA instances, they're championship level. It makes a significant difference if an inexperienced QB isn't dodging a pass rush within 3 seconds of the snap. Chalk this one up to UMs crack OL recruiting and development the past 3-4 years.
  2. Peterson, Day and Fisher came into teams that were loaded. The better comparison would be Coker's first year. Even a dim wit could win with those teams. Additionally, Day and Fisher were previously on the staff. They didn't have to implement new systems. Before Peterson went to Washington, he proved himself at Boise Sate. He went undefeated his first year and beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Don't know enough about Drinkwitz or Carey.
  3. I don't get your point. Better recruits + better coaching should equal better results. Most are bags schools, the divas are slurping up to them not clowning them.
  4. Our recruiting is extremely unbalanced. Has been for years. Everyone around here starts fapping about highly rated skill players. But everyone of those teams out recruited us in the trenches except for maybe DE. (People here treat DE as a skill position because they make splash plays.) Even Kansas State got more out of their line then we did. Think about that. Now everyone's besides themselves trying to find someone to blame for our current state.
  5. I can't explain why Lo's not playing and I'm not going to try to explain it. But if you want to compare overall effectiveness of running game to those listed see the trenches. The only exception is Cook. His line wasn't as bad as todays but it wasn't great. Cook was not just very good, he was truly "elite". Our running game wasn't bad when we had Duke Johnson or Lamar Miller (who were the last ones that approached his level).
None of this is to excuse our current mess. It is what it is. My biggest concern is how mentally weak and undisciplined we are. It permeates throughout the team, affects the "culture". It's left us with a legacy of coming up short, of being half-assed, that has not been addressed by anyone associated with the program the last 15 years. This is the number one issue and there's not a close second. Everything you mention are merely side effects of that.
 
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RaiseCane said:
And I completely agree that there needs to be a way to get him on the field and involved, and to get some confidence. Getting a 3rd RB 4-6 touches is completely reasonable, especially when that guy brings something no one else in the backfield does, elite top end speed. Also, given how good of a pass catcher Deejay is, it seems to me that having both Deejay and Lo on the field would present matchup problems, including using Lo as a jet sweep option. And, let's be clear, our offense is struggling in many ways (as the statistics show), so getting more playmakers on the field and involved should absolutely be our goal.

My big pushback to some of the complaints were around criticisms that the coaches had screwed up by not getting him in the Central Michigan game, which then warranted the apparent frustration from Lo and his family. I hope that this whole thing can become a non-issue as the coaches find a way to integrate a really talented RB into our offense.
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No arguments here, fam.
 
Rellyrell said:
I agree w/ you, and I'm not sure the argument is sitting Deejay or Cam for Lo. UGA, as an example, primarily run w/ Swift and Herrien, but they find a way to get Cook on the field as well. Herrien is gone next year, and Swift is looking like a 3 and out back. You keep Cook happy by getting him some touches, and you also get to see what you have as a Jr RB next year when he becomes the bell cow.

I know I vented a lot of stuff b/c just reading some of these post just got on me 100, but my point is that Lo can easily be incorporated. Plus, let's give the young man some confidence in his knee. Give him something to get dressed for. I'm sure this will happen, but this lack of communication....we've heard this narrative way too often from multiple staffs, now.
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KR?
 
Dhatguy said:
KR?
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If Lo think he can do it, why not. We used to use Duke and Lamar to return kicks. We def need someone other than JT back there, regardless. Was hoping Bethel would be used in this capacity, but we saw how that went.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I agree w/ you, and I'm not sure the argument is sitting Deejay or Cam for Lo. UGA, as an example, primarily run w/ Swift and Herrien, but they find a way to get Cook on the field as well. Herrien is gone next year, and Swift is looking like a 3 and out back. You keep Cook happy by getting him some touches, and you also get to see what you have as a Jr RB next year when he becomes the bell cow.

I know I vented a lot of stuff b/c just reading some of these post just got on me 100, but my point is that Lo can easily be incorporated. Plus, let's give the young man some confidence in his knee. Give him something to get dressed for. I'm sure this will happen, but this lack of communication....we've heard this narrative way too often from multiple staffs, now.
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Uga is a top flight program
Right now. Kids will accept a lesser role at a program like that
 
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He had a leg injury and concussion recently and Deejay is the overall best player on the team. If he wants to transfer then go. He needs to get to 100%. He didn’t look special last year. Still very thin and upright. That’s not saying he can’t be but part of the diseases is kids thinking they can just play day 1 when not ready so they give up or don’t give 100%. If he’s giving 100% he’s gonna get his chance. Calm down.
 
MizCane said:
He had a leg injury and concussion recently and Deejay is the overall best player on the team. If he wants to transfer then go. He needs to get to 100%. He didn’t look special last year. Still very thin and upright. That’s not saying he can’t be but part of the diseases is kids thinking they can just play day 1 when not ready so they give up or don’t give 100%. If he’s giving 100% he’s gonna get his chance. Calm down.
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I liked Deejay, but overall best player on the team? No
 
Meast21 said:
Cam has been stud aside from CMU where he had an AWFUL day. Still doesnt mean you cant give Lingard 1-2 series to see what he can do...
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I don't agree. Cam has averaged 3 ypc or less in 3 of the 4 games. Yes he had some calls go against him but we have played garbage. With the rest of the carries you need to average more than 3. He's had a tendency to pick the wrong hole at times and while running people over some plays, he's been tackled on first contact a lot in others.

If healthy, Lingard is a different kind of athlete. If he's worked hard to get healthy AND is healthy, they need to see what he's got. Our offense needs more.
 
canesfan2001 said:
dude is coming off a major knee injury. watched him in practice and his explosiveness still had not been fully recovered yet. oh and also we have two RBs that have been playing their tail off. but whatever blame the coaches for not playing him :ROFLMAO:
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Your full explosiveness may not be there but it doesn't mean you aren't "healthy". Sometimes it takes 2 years to regain everything. But you need to use it to gain that confidence and if he's slightly less explosive speed/agility is still better than most (i don't know, asking for a friend) than why not give him a shot? This offense sucked against CMU. Say that again and say other guys didn't deserve a chance to do something more than the starters did for 3 quarters.
 
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***-e-skr said:
Maybe he just isn't as good as those ahead of him on the depth chart. Sports are filled with players who work their butts off, but just aren't as good as those ahead of them on the depth chart.

Working your "butt off" doesn't guarantee you playing time.
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Yes, when you're Rudy. But when you are extremely talented and do things the right way, it usually leads to something.
 
brock said:
What has dj or cam done to prove that he shouldn’t play at all? Don’t get me wrong they are playing good but Lingard brings a different skill set. Even when Miami had great depth 3rd and 4th strings rb played in games(gore on those early 2000 teams). **** when randy Shannon was the coach we had berry, Miller, cooper, James all playing at the same time too. It can be done
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Quit comparing these guys to those early 2000 teams...There is not one player on this team that would start or sniff the field compared to those teams.
What has DJ or cam done.....perform....on the field......Lingard is not. Its that weak mindset of give a guy playing time come someone is whining instead of that guy earning it.

My guess is you have a lot of participation trophies in the basement with you

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Caneillac said:
#2 RB in the country
#9 overall player in the country
Army All-American
Army All American Starting RB
Arny All American Team Captain
Gatorade Player of The Year
Runner Up for Florida Mr. Football

.....and people somehow forget that when he got injured HE WAS THE #2 RB BEHIND HOMER.

DeeJay was having his fumbling issues and we had just lost at Virginia. Lo was running with the 2's and Cam was on scout team.
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Yeah - a healthy Lo likely houses a couple of the CMU runs that Cam screwed up. I like Cam. But. Lo needs touches.
 
PSU Cane said:
Your full explosiveness may not be there but it doesn't mean you aren't "healthy". Sometimes it takes 2 years to regain everything. But you need to use it to gain that confidence and if he's slightly less explosive speed/agility is still better than most (i don't know, asking for a friend) than why not give him a shot? This offense sucked against CMU. Say that again and say other guys didn't deserve a chance to do something more than the starters did for 3 quarters.
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Lingard has the least amount of wiggle of the 3 and his game is better suited by a line that create space for him. The only reason we have running game right now is because DJ is a greased up bowling ball.
 
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