Lightfoot personal foul video

[Calinative]

You quite literally argued with a set of rules trying to prove that the call was correct.

A few posts prior, you said you weren't flipflopping. That's ******* hilarious.

A set of rules that they can use to make their subjective call, yes.

In the rules it states QBs after turnovers are defenseless, as well as stating players far behind the play are. And he was hit from the side, not directly in front which gives refs the wiggle room to call it Block in back or Unnecessary roughness.

That's the rule they are using to be more strict against blocks against QBs.

You say I'm flip flopping when I haven't once lmao you make no sense.

 

[Bender]

A set of rules that they can use to make their subjective call, yes

******* christ, you really are that dense. It's insane. Four explanations weren't enough.

In the rules it states QBs after turnovers are defenseless, as well as stating players far behind the play.

That's the rule they are using to be more strict against blocks against QBs.

Now you go back arguing with a ruleset that is black and white in writing and say afterwards that you aren't flipflopping after you said, that you aren't arguing with rules and instead make the argument that the player simply shouldn't have made the play.

I'm telling you, log off and delete your account. It's in the greatest interest for everyone on here. I'm done here in this thread, this platform is further deteriorating by the day.

 

[3rd-43]

This made legit zero sense. How would Lightfoot have gotten blindsided by the QB? And any blindside on him would be a penalty on the oppponent…. Genuinely don’t get what you think you’re saying. And you not knowing the difference between being 20 yards BEHIND the play vs in front is also very dumb.

Anyways just repeating same stuff when the fact is QBs always have been and will be protected, and Lightfoot needs to be smarter in that situation

There’s a few people on this site that just argue to argue, have never once agreed with anyone. The commitment is beautiful to see

 

[AmherstCane]

I think we can all acknowledge that this is confusing because it involves multiple rules.

@Calinative - you posted a rule from the San Diego County Football Officials Association, so just an FYI, I don't think that has the complete information, and it may not be up-to-date as the NCAA updates the rulebook each year. They even updated part of the targeted rules this year.

I download the NCAA rulebook each season, because I'm a nerd like that, so here's the link to the current 2026 version.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/rules/PRMFB_RulesBook.pdf

Cali is correct that we have to first look at Rule 2-27-14 (p.50 of the pdf above):

Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 14. A defenseless player is one who because of their physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. When in question, a player is defenseless. Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:

i. A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
Change of possession is defined in the rules as including the moment a turnover (interception or fumble) occurs. (p. 37)

The term "defenseless" refers to the targeting, roughing the passer, or unnecessary roughness/late hit penalties. Rule 9-1 explains that "all fouls in this section...and any other acts of unnecessary roughness are personal fouls." (p.100) Unnecessary roughness does not have it's own section; the sections listed and described next are Targeting, Clipping, Blocking Below the Waist, Late Hit, Face Mask, Roughing the Passer, Chop Block, Leverage and Leaping, Contact Out of Play, Hurdling, Contact Against Snapper, Horsecollar, Roughing Kicker/Holder, Participation w/o Helmet, and Blind-Side Block.

The Appendix of the Rulebook has explanations and examples of the rules and how they work in practice. I usually find these very helpful. p.233 is the closest example to our situation here, although it's not exact.

Approved Ruling 9-1-4 (p.233)

A12 who normally plays quarterback is lined up as a wide receiver in the backfield and A33 is five yards behind the snapper in a shotgun formation. A33’s pass intended for A12 is intercepted. During the interception return B55 targets and launches at A33, striking him in the side of the helmet.

RULING: Foul by B55 for targeting and initiating contact at the head of a defenseless player. For purposes of Rule 2-27-14, A33 is a defenseless player since he played the down in the role of the quarterback.

**Conclusion: So yes, I realize that this is a targeting penalty, but if I am reading the entirety of Rule 9-1, I don't think we need to focus on that part. I can't find anything else that says that the QB wouldn't be a defenseless player, and given the way the rule is written, it seems like they made it so "unnecessary roughness" is basically a catch-all for when the player is defenseless but the offender didn't commit any of the long list of penalties above. I don't like it, and think it sucks, but unfortunately I think the ACC got this one right. Also, Cali is correct here.

I don’t think that’s correct. Defenseless player only applies for application of the targeting rule. NOT legal blocking. And the block was not a blindside block because the quarterback clearly initiated the contact AND Lightfoot only extended his hands… which is expressly permitted in the rule book (see below).

Here’s ChatGPT’s analysis.
Yes. After an interception, an opposing player may legally block the quarterback while the quarterback is pursuing the returner. But NCAA rules give the quarterback special protection after a change of possession, so the manner of the block is significantly restricted.
The key point is that NCAA rules expressly classify “a quarterback any time after a change of possession” as a defenseless player. That designation does not mean the quarterback cannot be blocked; it means certain types of contact—particularly targeting and forcible blind-side contact—are prohibited.
1. The quarterback becomes a “defenseless player” after the interception
NCAA Rule 2-27-14 — Defenseless Player defines a defenseless player as one especially vulnerable to injury because of physical position or focus of concentration. Among the specific examples is:
“A quarterback any time after a change of possession.”
So once the pass is intercepted, the quarterback receives defenseless-player status for the remainder of that play, even if he is actively pursuing the interceptor and attempting to make the tackle.
That is important because NCAA Rule 9-1-4 (Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player) prohibits a player from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. The rule expressly incorporates the Rule 2-27-14 definition of defenseless players.
Thus, a defender cannot legally “light up” the quarterback in the head/neck area simply because the quarterback is trying to make the tackle.
2. But being “defenseless” does not make all blocks illegal
This distinction is critical.
Rule 2-27-14 does not say a defenseless player cannot be blocked. Rather, the designation primarily triggers the targeting protections of Rule 9-1-4.
Accordingly, if the quarterback is pursuing the interception returner and is in position to make the tackle, a teammate of the returner may generally block him with otherwise legal blocking technique—for example, engaging him from the front with the hands/body without prohibited contact.
The quarterback’s pursuit of the ball carrier therefore does not make him immune from blocking.
3. Blind-side blocks are independently prohibited
There is another major limitation: NCAA Rule 9-1-18 — Blind-Side Block.
The rule provides:
“No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact.”
The exceptions are the runner and a receiver attempting to make a catch—neither exception ordinarily applies to the quarterback after his pass has been intercepted.
The NCAA’s Approved Ruling is particularly instructive because it involves an interception return.
A.R. 9-1-18-I describes B44 intercepting a pass and returning it. B21 approaches A88 from the blind side and:

• 
  
• blocks him with extended hands — legal;
• 
  
• uses a screen-type block — legal;
• 
  
• attacks him with forcible shoulder contact to the chest — 15-yard blind-side-block foul;
• 
  
• attacks him with forcible shoulder contact to the head — blind-side block plus targeting.

That Approved Ruling demonstrates that NCAA rules do not prohibit blocking an opponent during an interception return merely because the block comes from the blind side. What matters is the type of contact: screening or using extended hands can be legal; attacking the opponent with forcible contact is not.
Applying the rules to your quarterback
Suppose QB A12 throws an interception to B24. B24 begins returning the interception, and A12 turns and sprints toward B24 attempting to make the tackle. B55 wants to prevent A12 from tackling B24.
B55 may block A12. But:

Block​	NCAA ruling​
B55 gets between QB and returner and screens him	Legal
B55 engages QB from the front with ordinary legal hand/body blocking	Legal
B55 uses an otherwise legal block to prevent QB from reaching returner	Legal
B55 approaches QB from blind side and uses extended hands rather than attacking him	Potentially legal under A.R. 9-1-18-I
B55 attacks QB from blind side with forcible shoulder/body contact	Illegal blind-side block — Rule 9-1-18
B55 makes forcible contact to QB’s head/neck with a targeting indicator	Targeting — Rule 9-1-4, because QB is defenseless
B55 targets QB with crown of helmet	Targeting — Rule 9-1-3
B55 hits QB after QB is obviously out of the play	Personal foul — Rule 9-1-12

Rule 9-1-12 separately prohibits running into or throwing oneself against an opponent who is “obviously out of the play.”
The unusual NCAA protection for the quarterback
The most consequential language is “any time after a change of possession.” It means the NCAA deliberately protects the quarterback more broadly than simply protecting him immediately after throwing the interception.
So even if the quarterback:

1. 
   
2. throws the interception;
3. 
   
4. recognizes the interception;
5. 
   
6. turns around;
7. 
   
8. sprints 20 yards downfield;
9. 
   
10. is closing on the returner; and
11. 
    
12. is about to make the tackle,

he remains within Rule 2-27-14’s expressly enumerated category of defenseless player.
But that status does not prevent the return team from blocking him. It principally means that the return team must avoid targeting-type contact, and Rule 9-1-18 independently prohibits attacking him—or anyone else—with a forcible blind-side block.
Bottom line: A quarterback pursuing an interception returner can be blocked under NCAA rules. The return team does not have to allow him an unobstructed opportunity to make the tackle. But the quarterback remains a defenseless player for the entire post-change-of-possession portion of the play, so targeting protections apply, and a blocker may not deliver a forcible blind-side block.
The NCAA’s current official football rules page links the rulebook here: NCAA Football Playing Rules⁠.

 

[Calinative]

I don’t think that’s correct. Defenseless player only applies for application of the targeting rule. NOT legal blocking. And the block was not a blindside block because the quarterback clearly initiated the contact AND Lightfoot only extended his hands… which is expressly permitted in the rule book (see below).

Here’s ChatGPT’s analysis.
Yes. After an interception, an opposing player may legally block the quarterback while the quarterback is pursuing the returner. But NCAA rules give the quarterback special protection after a change of possession, so the manner of the block is significantly restricted.
The key point is that NCAA rules expressly classify “a quarterback any time after a change of possession” as a defenseless player. That designation does not mean the quarterback cannot be blocked; it means certain types of contact—particularly targeting and forcible blind-side contact—are prohibited.
1. The quarterback becomes a “defenseless player” after the interception
NCAA Rule 2-27-14 — Defenseless Player defines a defenseless player as one especially vulnerable to injury because of physical position or focus of concentration. Among the specific examples is:
“A quarterback any time after a change of possession.”
So once the pass is intercepted, the quarterback receives defenseless-player status for the remainder of that play, even if he is actively pursuing the interceptor and attempting to make the tackle.
That is important because NCAA Rule 9-1-4 (Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player) prohibits a player from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. The rule expressly incorporates the Rule 2-27-14 definition of defenseless players.
Thus, a defender cannot legally “light up” the quarterback in the head/neck area simply because the quarterback is trying to make the tackle.
2. But being “defenseless” does not make all blocks illegal
This distinction is critical.
Rule 2-27-14 does not say a defenseless player cannot be blocked. Rather, the designation primarily triggers the targeting protections of Rule 9-1-4.
Accordingly, if the quarterback is pursuing the interception returner and is in position to make the tackle, a teammate of the returner may generally block him with otherwise legal blocking technique—for example, engaging him from the front with the hands/body without prohibited contact.
The quarterback’s pursuit of the ball carrier therefore does not make him immune from blocking.
3. Blind-side blocks are independently prohibited
There is another major limitation: NCAA Rule 9-1-18 — Blind-Side Block.
The rule provides:
“No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact.”
The exceptions are the runner and a receiver attempting to make a catch—neither exception ordinarily applies to the quarterback after his pass has been intercepted.
The NCAA’s Approved Ruling is particularly instructive because it involves an interception return.
A.R. 9-1-18-I describes B44 intercepting a pass and returning it. B21 approaches A88 from the blind side and:

• 
  
• blocks him with extended hands — legal;
• 
  
• uses a screen-type block — legal;
• 
  
• attacks him with forcible shoulder contact to the chest — 15-yard blind-side-block foul;
• 
  
• attacks him with forcible shoulder contact to the head — blind-side block plus targeting.

That Approved Ruling demonstrates that NCAA rules do not prohibit blocking an opponent during an interception return merely because the block comes from the blind side. What matters is the type of contact: screening or using extended hands can be legal; attacking the opponent with forcible contact is not.
Applying the rules to your quarterback
Suppose QB A12 throws an interception to B24. B24 begins returning the interception, and A12 turns and sprints toward B24 attempting to make the tackle. B55 wants to prevent A12 from tackling B24.
B55 may block A12. But:

Block​	NCAA ruling​
B55 gets between QB and returner and screens him	Legal
B55 engages QB from the front with ordinary legal hand/body blocking	Legal
B55 uses an otherwise legal block to prevent QB from reaching returner	Legal
B55 approaches QB from blind side and uses extended hands rather than attacking him	Potentially legal under A.R. 9-1-18-I
B55 attacks QB from blind side with forcible shoulder/body contact	Illegal blind-side block — Rule 9-1-18
B55 makes forcible contact to QB’s head/neck with a targeting indicator	Targeting — Rule 9-1-4, because QB is defenseless
B55 targets QB with crown of helmet	Targeting — Rule 9-1-3
B55 hits QB after QB is obviously out of the play	Personal foul — Rule 9-1-12

Rule 9-1-12 separately prohibits running into or throwing oneself against an opponent who is “obviously out of the play.”
The unusual NCAA protection for the quarterback
The most consequential language is “any time after a change of possession.” It means the NCAA deliberately protects the quarterback more broadly than simply protecting him immediately after throwing the interception.
So even if the quarterback:

1. 
   
2. throws the interception;
3. 
   
4. recognizes the interception;
5. 
   
6. turns around;
7. 
   
8. sprints 20 yards downfield;
9. 
   
10. is closing on the returner; and
11. 
    
12. is about to make the tackle,

he remains within Rule 2-27-14’s expressly enumerated category of defenseless player.
But that status does not prevent the return team from blocking him. It principally means that the return team must avoid targeting-type contact, and Rule 9-1-18 independently prohibits attacking him—or anyone else—with a forcible blind-side block.
Bottom line: A quarterback pursuing an interception returner can be blocked under NCAA rules. The return team does not have to allow him an unobstructed opportunity to make the tackle. But the quarterback remains a defenseless player for the entire post-change-of-possession portion of the play, so targeting protections apply, and a blocker may not deliver a forcible blind-side block.
The NCAA’s current official football rules page links the rulebook here: NCAA Football Playing Rules⁠.

In that nice little table the aibanswer generated for you look at the very last example.

 

[Calinative]

There’s a few people on this site that just argue to argue, have never once agreed with anyone. The commitment is beautiful to see

I argue/state my opinion when I think I'm correct. Things I agree with, often I don't respond to, just react. Or sometimes I may only disagree with one point and comment on just that or react to the post because of that one point...

Did I say this NEEDS to be a foul? Or did I say it always will be a foul.

You know what makes THIS play in particular so annoying, is that unlike targeting or other roughing the passer penalties which is often also ruled incorrectly and subjectively to go out of their way to protect the player - those are almost always "bang-bang" plays. This example or any example of a player making completely unnecessary blocks to guys trailing the play 20+ yards behind the returner is that there is literally just no point. The player obviously just wanted to get a big block in, and in this case likely get an extra hit on a QB. Do I think this SHOULD be a penalty? No. Do I think it always will be, and because of that our players need to exercise far better judgment? Absolutely - you know like I said the entire time lol.... The refs will find a rule to apply it to protect the QB, period. And at worst they'd just make a "bad call" and call it a block from behind.

 

[mirvin88]

In that nice little table the aibanswer generated for you look at the very last example.

You mean the subjective example that could be called differently game to game that you claim is 100% of the time called a penalty?

Additionally, what about the QB going in for a hit on LF signals he’s taken himself out of the play? He’s objectively not “obviously out of the play” if he’s engaging in the play.