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King is a below average thrower, and we can’t beat good teams with him as a passer

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The Svengali said:
King is a very good leader, he’s experienced and he can do a lot with his feet, but he handicaps us because he can’t throw the ball against good teams. At best he’s mediocre, but if we’re being honest, he’s a below average passer. On top of that, the guy is “maybe” 5’9”, and because of his miniature stature he can’t see over the line and/or the throwing lanes.

King is a good teammate, good person and a good leader, but he is stunting the teams growth and there is no way we’re beating Bama, UNC or any other good team with him under center. It’s not going to happen. And now we’re talking about putting a 75% King out there this season? His strength is running, not throwing.

We need to start Van Dyke and get Garcia some snaps every game. King was a great stop gap option for 2020, but let’s be realistic. A non throwing, 75% King will hurt us far more than he will help us in 2021.
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Question how do you know Van dyke and Garcia can perform better against good teams?
 
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Lol you guys really need to go back and watch some "classic" Canes games with Dorsey or Erickson or Torretta. They're actually less accurate than King. You don't remember that, because we never relied on those guys to win us games themselves. When King misses a guy or takes a bad sack it's more glaring because there's less margin of error. The "bench King" brigade is some really dumb sh*t but I'm old enough to remember the bench Dorsey brigade too (yes there was one) and it may be some of you same hot take savants.
 
blackvern said:
Question how do you know Van dyke and Garcia can perform better against good teams?
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I still remember my varsity series the speed the hitting intensity was beyond anything I imagined almost hyperventilated wide eyed.

getting under center on national television against probably the best team in 20 years checking off to ???? and ??? the check off .

KING @ 75-90% 🙌
 
It is amazing how you discount an intangible as important as leadership. Perry was a very good thrower,
but a poor leader, and look where he ended up. As for stats, maybe you should look at them first.
King sat most of 2019. 2020 completion % was 64.1, 2686 yds, 23td's to 5 interceptions with a passer
rating of 152.7. 2018 completion % 63.5, 2982 yds, 36 td's to 6 interceptions, with a passer rating of162.
 
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fincane said:
Our interior line handicaps the offense. Lashlee has to use the plays he sets up all game just to get first downs in short yardage because the interior can't get a push. Keep talking about King not being able to beat elite teams. Is Miami built to beat elite teams and King is stopping that from happening? This offense finds a new level if the interior of the OL gets better. Ask yourself. When is the last time you felt good about this OL scoring a TD inside the 5 by just lining up and running the ball against even an average defense? We have to use tricks, deception and pace to run the ball. When that changes this offense changes and then "can we get a QB to put us on the level of the elites" actually becomes a relevant conversation
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Why did the offense open up when Perry came in the bowl game? Because king is not a thrower. Plain and simple.
 
The Svengali said:
King is a very good leader, he’s experienced and he can do a lot with his feet, but he handicaps us because he can’t throw the ball against good teams. At best he’s mediocre, but if we’re being honest, he’s a below average passer. On top of that, the guy is “maybe” 5’9”, and because of his miniature stature he can’t see over the line and/or the throwing lanes.

King is a good teammate, good person and a good leader, but he is stunting the teams growth and there is no way we’re beating Bama, UNC or any other good team with him under center. It’s not going to happen. And now we’re talking about putting a 75% King out there this season? His strength is running, not throwing.

We need to start Van Dyke and get Garcia some snaps every game. King was a great stop gap option for 2020, but let’s be realistic. A non throwing, 75% King will hurt us far more than he will help us in 2021.
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Dam dog!! You stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Go Canes!!!
 
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Trav said:
Lol you guys really need to go back and watch some "classic" Canes games with Dorsey or Erickson or Torretta. They're actually less accurate than King. You don't remember that, because we never relied on those guys to win us games themselves. When King misses a guy or takes a bad sack it's more glaring because there's less margin of error. The "bench King" brigade is some really dumb sh*t but I'm old enough to remember the bench Dorsey brigade too (yes there was one) and it may be some of you same hot take savants.
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Asking for a friend...

When were Cane Fans asking for KD to be benched? Was it after a big loss during a regular season game??? Oh wait.......

Go Canes!!!
 
I believe King will be better than 75%. If he’s not 100%, he’ll be pretty close to it.

I’ll take a 6th year seniors experience opening with Bama over a couple of greenhorns (not that TVD and Garcia don’t have great POTENTIAL) any day of the week.

Last, but certainly not least, his leadership will give us an advantage in every game. He’ll inspire his team mates to give their all.
 
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nycane said:
Why did the offense open up when Perry came in the bowl game? Because king is not a thrower. Plain and simple.
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The offense didn't open up. The offense was getting going on the drive that King got hurt. If Clark doesn't get called for holding the score is 21-14 with about 4 minutes to go. Instead King gets hurt and we settle for a FG. Cam Harris broke off a long TD run in the third and just like the offense has done all year Lashlee set up shot plays by forcing plays that he probably knew weren't going to work based on our OL. Perry's longest throw of the game was a 4th and 2 where he faked a QB run and Mallory slipped behind a safety or LB peaking in the backfield. Stuff we'd done all year. It worked because on the previous down Lashlee called an actual QB run play that got stuffed. The same as it had in the first half with King. Mallory got tackled inside the 5. 1st and goal was a wildcat play with Cam Harris that got us down to the 2. The next play same formation but Perry was back in at QB, he faked a run and lobbed one to Jordan who made a one-handed catch. More deception. Not because of Perry's ability to throw and open up the offense.

Just look at this throw by Perry. He probably cost Brevin a TD because of how poorly he threw it and you think that Perry entering the game as a thrower opened up the offense? This drive ended in a FG



Lets go to later in the game on the final drive. 3rd and long and Perry throws a ball behind Jordan on a slant. If he hits him in stride Jordan has a chance to break a tackle and gets a first a down and maybe more. King made a throw similar to this to Harley to beat NC State



But sure the offense opened up because a thrower was inserted.
 
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fincane said:
The offense didn't open up. The offense was getting going on the drive that King got hurt. If Clark doesn't get called for holding the score is 21-14 with about 4 minutes to go. Instead King gets hurt and we settle for a FG. Cam Harris broke off a long TD run in the third and just like the offense has done all year Lashlee set up shot plays by forcing plays that he probably knew weren't going to work based on our OL. Perry's longest throw of the game was a 4th and 2 where he faked a QB run and Mallory slipped behind a safety or LB peaking in the backfield. Stuff we'd done all year. It worked because on the previous down Lashlee called an actual QB run play that got stuffed. The same as it had in the first half with King. Mallory got tackled inside the 5. 1st and goal was a wildcat play with Cam Harris that got us down to the 2. The next play same formation but Perry was back in at QB, he faked a run and lobbed one to Jordan who made a one-handed catch. More deception. Not because of Perry's ability to throw and open up the offense.

Just look at this throw by Perry. He probably cost Brevin a TD because of how poorly he threw it and you think that Perry entering the game as a thrower opened up the offense? This drive ended in a FG



Lets go to later in the game on the final drive. 3rd and long and Perry throws a ball behind Jordan on a slant. If he hits him in stride Jordan has a chance to break a tackle and gets a first a down and maybe more. King made a throw similar to this to Harley to beat NC State



But sure the offense opened up because a thrower was inserted.
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Hbo GIF by Silicon Valley
 
paksat said:
Surprised op didn't get crucified in this thread, cis is coming around.


I've been saying this for some time now.
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He and you should take a beating for positioning it as if it is a relevant conversation to where the program is. King had to go for over 530 yards of total offense to beat an OK NC State by 3. When it doesn't take a historic performance to beat a team who finished 8-4 please do talk about the QB who authored that performance not being good enough to beat the best teams.
 
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