Justin Flowe in the portal

[canemachine]

Didn't even know buddy was still in college. That COVID year plus redshirts got people being college lifers for real

 

[Brains]

Sports, particularly Football, is the ONLY sector in life in which people wanna control & regulate how much money someone is allowed to make.

If yall had this kinda energy with Wall Street hedge funds & CEO's of major corporations there wouldn't be such a massive cavern in the wealth gap.

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But God forbid, a Football player make some money smh.

I'm perfectly fine with whatever any and all of them are getting paid, be it CEOs, other professions, skateboarders, and football players. I don't care about any "wealth gaps" in any way, shape, or form.

I also think FLOWE should be getting more than any of them.

 

[One9]

I feel like this happens every year with some swole LB who has a highlight tape full of himself blitzing and decapitating optimist level RB's. They go viral in high school and then never pan out.

Elijah Melendez is giggling knowing his time is soon.

#2029

 

[Trav]

I ain't no versions of a y'all. I have never once said athletes shouldn't be getting paid. I literally said in the same message I first sent that we should've been getting paid all along. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME STRUCTURE BEHIND IT. this free for all **** is horrible. It leads to tampering EVERYWHERE,EVERY DAY. It's leads to kids just every day trying to renogiate for more bread. Not just their agents but themselves. It when combined with the portal just leads to kids going somewhere to get a bag and audition & if they don't like the results of that audition for whatever reason they either put their names back in the portal or renogiate to get another bag. Look at that karnley kid as an example. He came here for 410. Was gave 125 when he enrolled. Well now we told him he's gonna be a backup(as of now)he saw his competition and said I'm gonna keep this 125 and I want another 200 on top of I'm gonna clear it... Anyway acting like this is the way to go about all this is ****** insane. It needs structure period. It needs a hard cap. Kids shouldn't be making enough money as a college kid that they ever have to question what their next step is as far as stay,transfer or go to the league... Pay them fairly for what they are which is STUDENT athletes. For me I'd cap it dependent on what year they are in and that's it. Everyone across the board (based on the sport)gets the same set numbers depending on freshman,sophomore etc.

I don't see how anyone could disagree that a kid getting paid to come in spring then bolt without ever playing a down but keeping the money is untenable. That just can't continue to happen.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

If players making money bothers you that much, don't watch it.

The revenue they generate from TV viewership & ticket sales, is primarily why they're allowed to get paid now.

So if you're someone that is staunchly against players having the opportunity to make money, then you have no other course of action than to stop watching & attending games altogether.

This is such a lame argument. Get off your high horse, stop making moralistic arguments, and grapple with the real nuance of the issue.

Almost no one is against payers getting paid at this point. But the current system is obviously broken. It's a much worse experience for fans, who are the ones who pay everyone's salaries.

Players should get paid - transparently and with contracts. A true free market system that allowed schools to sign players to multi-year commitments would benefit everyone.

 

[mikedeep97]

If players making money bothers you that much, don't watch it.

The revenue they generate from TV viewership & ticket sales, is primarily why they're allowed to get paid now.

So if you're someone that is staunchly against players having the opportunity to make money, then you have no other course of action than to stop watching & attending games altogether.

I just want to comment here because I'm enjoying the conversation. You and Dee are both making salient points regardless of them contrasting

But, I agree with where I THINK Dee is going in that there needs to be a quick end to this WWW **** that we're seeing

No, I don't think there should be a cap. But, what I do want to see is symmetry and common sense in general pay and then true Name, Image, and Likeness compensation

I want to see guys like the Cams (either/both), Tebows, Charles Woodsons, Travis Hunters, STs, etc get million dollar contracts from national brands because they're like that. I don't want to see HS recruits getting seven figures to entice them to sign at one school over another

What I think Dee is alluding to is the point that I believe in: NIL based on your star power that is generated because you're that mutha****a on the field.. not a bunch of money thrown at every highly rated recruit to get him to sign with School X

Beyond that.. I agree with everything you are saying regarding the "transfer" of wealth from the American middle class and (implied or imagined point) how Americans' veneration of wealth accumulators keeps us from even discussing the curtailment of earnings by the top 1% regardless of how that much type of wealth hoarding negatively impacts the rest of society

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Didn't even know buddy was still in college. That COVID year plus redshirts got people being college lifers for real

 

[DrNovaCane]

On the bolded but to clarify are you saying he wanted another $200 on top of the $410 or that we gave him $125 of the $410 and he asked for another $200 on top of the $125?

Either way it goes…he was wayyyyyy overpaid by a mile

 

[mikedeep97]

Well no putting the geanie back in the battle. College is no longer Amateur Football. The way NIL is currently structured, it'll never be very good. It needs to be collectively bargained, And they need to be actual employees who get actual contracts, with actual repercussions if they choose to play games, and has built in play time/performance driven incentives. No renegotiating 4 times in 1.25 calander years.

Like we could imagine if it was setup more like how it used to be combined with NFL... You have 5 total years to play no matter what (injury or other reason be dammned). All contracts are 2 years, except after year 4 (so can sign 2yr then 2yr then 1 yr). You can only transfer and play if your contract is finished.
And then you have the baseline contract, and escalators that are driven by snap and production metrics relative to the team like conference. Like Rookies in NFL get pre-arranged bonuses determined by the NFL if they outplay their actual contract.

So like if you're a 5star you have a 2year $200K/yr contract with Miami, with performance/snap based incentives to increase it to say $400k/yr for winning starting job, then can add another $400k depending on your actual performance. That's guaranteed 2 years. After that you can renegotiate entering year 3, or transfer, but must sign another 2 year deal....

Everyone can be protected.

I would add escalators and clauses for academic progress towards degree, but... yeah

 

[Memnon]

This is such a lame argument. Get off your high horse, stop making moralistic arguments, and grapple with the real nuance of the issue.

Almost no one is against payers getting paid at this point. But the current system is obviously broken. It's a much worse experience for fans, who are the ones who pay everyone's salaries.

Players should get paid - transparently and with contracts. A true free market system that allowed schools to sign players to multi-year commitments would benefit everyone.

It's not a lame argument at all & no one is on their high-horse except for people shaking their fists in the cloud because player's are getting paid.

NIL deals are negotiated individually for each player. It is up to the people paying them to decide whether or not they want to give a player whatever amount is being negotiated.

If a player is able to negotiate a specific amount & he doesn't live up to whatever he wad paid, if the people who paid him didn't structure it in the contract that the player either receives a paycut or no money at all unless incentives are accomplished, then that’s THEY'RE FAULT, not the player.

And to say almost no doesn't want players to get paid is disingenuous. The whole crux of this argument is based on the premise that players don't deserve to get paid because it will either kill their drive (whatever tf that means), or because they don't live up to their contract.

Here's a real lame argument...

Player X is an All-Conference All-American who signed a NIL deal that he outperformed. But if there were caps to how much players can make, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate & thus he would be outplaying his market value, all because some other player under performed on his contract.

 

[JD08]

It's not a lame argument at all & no one is on their high-horse except for people shaking their fists in the cloud because player's are getting paid.

NIL deals are negotiated individually for each player. It is up to the people paying them to decide whether or not they want to give a player whatever amount is being negotiated.

If a player is able to negotiate a specific amount & he doesn't live up to whatever he wad paid, if the people who paid him didn't structure it in the contract that the player either receives a paycut or no money at all unless incentives are accomplished, then that’s THEY'RE FAULT, not the player.

And to say almost no doesn't want players to get paid is disingenuous. The whole crux of this argument is based on the premise that players don't deserve to get paid because it will either kill their drive (whatever tf that means), or because they don't live up to their contract.

Here's a real lame argument...

Player X is an All-Conference All-American who signed a NIL deal that he outperformed. But if there were caps to how much players can make, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate & thus he would be outplaying his market value, all because some other player under performed on his contract.

All of these discussions are predicated on the unspoken belief that NIL is pay for play.

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

NIL has come with the added side effect where kids who normally would have worked hard to get to the next level & get paid become complacent when they get a bag. It normally happens in the pros where dudes will play hard for that big contract then immediately fall off a cliff once they get it (Hassan Whiteside) its just much more pronounced at the level where 17/18/19 emotionally underdeveloped kidsare being handed millions and told their better then what they actually are (just look at Nico situation)...Im all for them getting their bread but understand the result is a watered down softer version of CFB where the pressure to make it to next level and feed your family is nowhere as high anymore. It is what it is.

 

[SpikeUM]

As with most topics, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Many of you are also confusing the ability to earn with the ability to manage it responsibly.

I have no issue with the players making money, BUT, the reality is most are way too young to appreciate it, manage it, save it, etc. etc. and many if not most of them have sleazy agents/advisors etc. Thats very different from a CEO who is AARP eligible earning a lot of money with a team to rely on.

 

[HurricanesR1]

I think most people are fine with players getting paid. The problem is the portal and it's wild west lack of structure.

Imagine an awesome player on a 5-2 team holding the school hostage for more money and then bouncing to a 7-0 team in late October. That's the kind of BS we'll see soon with the way it's going.

 

[Cookie917]

It's not a lame argument at all & no one is on their high-horse except for people shaking their fists in the cloud because player's are getting paid.

NIL deals are negotiated individually for each player. It is up to the people paying them to decide whether or not they want to give a player whatever amount is being negotiated.

If a player is able to negotiate a specific amount & he doesn't live up to whatever he wad paid, if the people who paid him didn't structure it in the contract that the player either receives a paycut or no money at all unless incentives are accomplished, then that’s THEY'RE FAULT, not the player.

And to say almost no doesn't want players to get paid is disingenuous. The whole crux of this argument is based on the premise that players don't deserve to get paid because it will either kill their drive (whatever tf that means), or because they don't live up to their contract.

Here's a real lame argument...

Player X is an All-Conference All-American who signed a NIL deal that he outperformed. But if there were caps to how much players can make, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate & thus he would be outplaying his market value, all because some other player under performed on his contract.

I think the difference is, like compared to wall street, is they arent playing a game in a league where you would like to see some level playing field or else the sport will collapse on itself. No one wants to see the harlem globetrotters every night win 100-15. Then it just becomes wrestling.

Where I do agree with you is what NIL was meant for. If a kid can make X amount of money because a booster or a random company wants to pay em? so be it. Silly example but didnt 50 cent say like vitamin water gave him 50 mil? I mean its water and a rapper but no one griped about that. What I do not know the answer to is how come this doesnt happen in the NFL as a way to circumvent the salary cap. Say the owner of vitamin water is a HUGE dolphins fan. Tyreek Hill has an offer of 10 mil per year for the dolphins but 15 mil per year for 3 other teams. Dolphins are at the cap and cannot offer anymore. What is stopping Vitamin water from saying I will give you a 50 mil deal but only if you sign with the dolphins? or be cheeky with it like these current NIL deals, I will give you 50 mil but during football season you have to make a saturday night appearance every week in person in miami, effectively meaning if he signs elsewhere no way he can fulfill the commitment. That is where there is no cap and should never be one for a free market system.

 

[TRick72]

I think most people are fine with players getting paid. The problem is the portal and it's wild west lack of structure.

Imagine an awesome player on a 5-2 team holding the school hostage for more money and then bouncing to a 7-0 team in late October. That's the kind of BS we'll see soon with the way it's going.

It won’t unless they completely separate the sport from college as no school starts a semester in October

 

[TemplarCane]

Some of the analogies y'all come up with really are bat ****... You just used as a comparison people who's proffesion is entirely about money and it's acquisition. Money is entirely what motivated them. I don't need to toot my own horn. But after an entire life in sports and the majority of the people I know in this world being athletes, I know what most of us had as atleast some form of motivation was the money we would eventually be able to make from busting our *** to love out our dreams. I know **** well if you would've gave us that money before we achieved our goals plenty of us would've said why the **** am I doing all of this when I already got millions in my accounts. You lose the big picture once things get taken out of that equation. I don't know what y'all have done in your life's. But every day 5am work outs, followed by 7am study sessions, on average some version of 4 hrs in a day of school work, followed by more work outs, film, weights etc. **** near every day is 5am through 11pm give or take an hr. If you think as a kid you're anywhere near as willing to do that as a millionaire you're flat out wrong more often than not. Not even in the NFL do we have the same grind that we have in college. College is far harder to balance everyday. Add money into that and plenty of people will change up how they approach it. Don't get how y'all don't realize this if y'all have lived any version of life that isn't provided for you.

NIL money has you thinking you’ve got life by the balls at 18 years old. You don’t have to work as hard anymore. You think you’re so good you can just skate through college and then get to the NFL. Once you’re there, you’re set for life. Is that how it’s supposed to work?

And then in real life knocks on the door…

That said, this Wild West show has to end. I am 100% in favor of players getting paid. As you very well know, it’s the player’s body is put on the line game after game. Players are the reason people are buying tickets and TV contracts exist. It’s only right Labor gets their share of the pie. And a very fair share.

What I haven’t seen with all the House settlement talk is who is representing the players in these discussions? Anyone? To be honest, I haven’t followed it closely. I’ve just seen coaches and athletic directors and the NCAA and judges and congressman saying how the system should work. Anyone representing the players? Who decided $21 million is a good number to divide up? Some schools have coaching staffs make almost that much.

If you want to fix the system, approach scholarships like legally binding multi year contracts. All the revenue sharing is built into the scholarship. Escalators each year based on individual and team performance perhaps. Buyout clauses that work both ways. That right there might help with the transfer portal.

But in no way shape or form should a third-party be allowed to validate NIL contracts.

The market should decide.

You know, the American way.

 

[Brooklyndee]

What I haven’t seen with all the House settlement talk is who is representing the players in these discussions? Anyone? To be honest, I haven’t followed it closely. I’ve just seen coaches and athletic directors and the NCAA and judges and congressman saying how the system should work. Anyone representing the players? Who decided $21 million is a good number to divide up? Some schools have coaching staffs make almost that much.

Lawyers and lobbyists. Just the people for the task. Lmfao

 

[GojiraCane]

I think most people are fine with players getting paid. The problem is the portal and it's wild west lack of structure.

Imagine an awesome player on a 5-2 team holding the school hostage for more money and then bouncing to a 7-0 team in late October. That's the kind of BS we'll see soon with the way it's going.

Who is to say that an awesome starting player - let’s say a top WR - plays very well in the first half of the NC game. He gets an exceedingly high NIL offer from the opposing team at half time. Let’s say $15M for one half. He switched sides and comes out with the other team.

Or what happens if an entire team decides to sit out summer camp and threatens to sit out games if they collectively do not get an NIL bump?

 

[GOCANES05]

If Flow really wants to get back in CFB he should contact Miami and say I’m willing to walk on and claim a starting roll .

To humble himself to be a leader from the bottom to the top , this he can do to resurrect his career his choice if not then just let him do what’s best for his familia and declare NFL ready and they’ll deal with hm quickly