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Joshua Horton Portal

WeBallinBoyz said:


Need DT’s in the portal just from a numerical perspective, but also quality imo.
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Ability is availability! If you’re not available, you have no ability to help this program or any program across the country. While the kid was talented, he was never available for us, so in the end it doesn’t matter. I wish I’m the best of luck and I know we’ll get a number four defensive tackle in the portal anyways.
 
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Josh said:
Had high hopes for him. Need another starter type DT and maybe another for depth.
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We already have our starters, and we already have our number three defensive tackle. All we need is a depth number four defensive tackle and we will get that in the portal.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
1. Read the thread title.
2. Re-open the linked article.
3. Read/skim the entire article.
4. Use context clues or whatever logical skills you possess to discern the connection.
5. Step outside and touch some grass.
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Agree with you there. I never understood the Horton hype. Kid clearly had skills and showed a little flash here and there. But he could never get healthy. You can't build a program on wishful thinking. ... Where I get confused is if you are suggesting that's a Mario/staff failure, or just CIS CISing?
 
NicKane said:
We already have our starters, and we already have our number three defensive tackle. All we need is a depth number four defensive tackle and we will get that in the portal.
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Need four true starters at DT for a 13-16 game season where most defenses are on the field for 75 snaps a game. We have three, and our only depth pieces are Jones and a true freshman.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
1. Read the thread title.
2. Re-open the linked article.
3. Read/skim the entire article.
4. Use context clues or whatever logical skills you possess to discern the connection.
5. Step outside and touch some grass.
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Not my fault that you set up the link so that when you click on it, the paragraph discussing Emory appeared in bold lol. Which is why I asked why this was posted here. So since you're talking about this comment; "They want to place a legitimate dude next to homegrown products Justin Scott, Ahmad Moten, and Josh Horton (who has come on in practice)". I'm curious, are you implying that the staff overhyped him? Because that couldn't be farther from the truth. From the day he signed, he was going to be nothing more than a solid depth piece & contributor. If he stayed, he probably could have been that. But given what's at stake in 2025 and his injury history, we needed to find a replacement
 
ST26 said:
Not my fault that you set up the link so that when you click on it, the paragraph discussing Emory appeared in bold lol. Which is why I asked why this was posted here. So since you're talking about this comment; "They want to place a legitimate dude next to homegrown products Justin Scott, Ahmad Moten, and Josh Horton (who has come on in practice)". I'm curious, are you implying that the staff overhyped him? Because that couldn't be farther from the truth. From the day he signed, he was going to be nothing more than a solid depth piece & contributor. If he stayed, he probably could have been that. But given what's at stake in 2025 and his injury history, we needed to find a replacement
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Shut the **** up. Adults are speaking.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Shut the **** up. Adults are speaking.
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grover said:
Agree with you there. I never understood the Horton hype. Kid clearly had skills and showed a little flash here and there. But he could never get healthy. You can't build a program on wishful thinking. ... Where I get confused is if you are suggesting that's a Mario/staff failure, or just CIS CISing?
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I usually put some non-zero % of fault on the staff when a recruit doesn't develop into a contributor. That doesn't mean I expect every recruit to hit, because every staff misses (often) on recruits, but it's typically some combo of less-than-ideal evaluation/development/utilization on the staff, bad work ethic/desire/mental/physical growth by the player, and/or just bad luck with injuries.

But my comment here was addressing the latter. When it's December and the owner of this website is putting Horton in the 2-deep (after acquiring Blay, BTW), I'm not sure what people are expected to think. Sure, it seemed like wishful thinking IMO due to Horton's inability to stay healthy and see the field. But, going from the 2-deep to "was never expected to play" in 4 months of the off-season is a sort of mental whiplash.

Another great example of this group schizophrenia: go back to the comments re: Malachi Toney just before he re-classified, after he re-classified and opened up his recruitment, then after his re-commit, and now. I may start calling him Baby Jesus like @TouchMoney26, not just for his football talent, but because of how he rose from the dead in the eyes of CIS.
 
grover said:
Need four true starters at DT for a 13-16 game season where most defenses are on the field for 75 snaps a game. We have three, and our only depth pieces are Jones and a true freshman.
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Like I said, we need a number four defensive tackle and that’s what we will get in the portal. If we get that in the portal, we have four top quality defensive tackles on our roster that can produce. I’m not really sure what the point of your post is, seeing as I already said that.
 
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htownkidd said:
But what’s the difference in keeping 10+ DE’s but not able to keep 5-6 DT’s? Lol, that’s what I’m not grasping.
Why can we do one but not the other? After playing 6+ DT’s last year? Those 3 and “whoever wants that 4th spot” aint enough. 1 injury and we’re ****ed.
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Because this team has multiple guys who play outside but can also move inside. A majority of teams in college football run some sort of spread system. Most defenses change personnel in obvious run/obvious pass situations and 2 down DTs come off the field a lot. It’s the same reason we don’t have a 6 player linebacker rotation.

We had 7 DTs last year (not counting Messidor) and 5 of them hardly played. Guys like Campbell, Clark and Marley Cook were veterans who either never got in the game or were very lightly used rotational players. Justin Scott was a true freshman and Josh Horton was hurt/not getting playing time. Why use all these roster positions on tackles who are sitting on the bench?
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I usually put some non-zero % of fault on the staff when a recruit doesn't develop into a contributor. That doesn't mean I expect every recruit to hit, because every staff misses (often) on recruits, but it's typically some combo of less-than-ideal evaluation/development/utilization on the staff, bad work ethic/desire/mental/physical growth by the player, and/or just bad luck with injuries.

But my comment here was addressing the latter. When it's December and the owner of this website is putting Horton in the 2-deep (after acquiring Blay, BTW), I'm not sure what people are expected to think. Sure, it seemed like wishful thinking IMO due to Horton's inability to stay healthy and see the field. But, going from the 2-deep to "was never expected to play" in 4 months of the off-season is a sort of mental whiplash.

Another great example of this group schizophrenia: go back to the comments re: Malachi Toney just before he re-classified, after he re-classified and opened up his recruitment, then after his re-commit, and now. I may start calling him Baby Jesus like @TouchMoney26, not just for his football talent, but because of how he rose from the dead in the eyes of CIS.
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100% brother. The whitewash is ridiculous
 
DTP said:
Because this team has multiple guys who play outside but can also move inside. A majority of teams in college football run some sort of spread system. Most defenses change personnel in obvious run/obvious pass situations and 2 down DTs come off the field a lot. It’s the same reason we don’t have a 6 player linebacker rotation.

We had 7 DTs last year (not counting Messidor) and 5 of them hardly played. Guys like Campbell, Clark and Marley Cook were veterans who either never got in the game or were very lightly used rotational players. Justin Scott was a true freshman and Josh Horton was hurt/not getting playing time. Why use all these roster positions on tackles who are sitting on the bench?
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And how did that go with Mesidor at DT?

The reason Cook and Clark hardly ever played is because they were G5 material. The reason Horton never played is because he was injured. So we only had Barrow, Moten and two true freshmen, Scott and Jones. And no one is even counting Russell because he was also a true freshman and on top of it was a G5 recruit.

Our DT rotation is trash. Yes, Scott has crazy potential. Hope so, he's a 5-star. Yes, Blay looks good. He was an All Conference transfer, #2 in the portal last cycle. Neither has done anything to prove they're playoff level yet. Moten is experienced, but barely top quartile ACC. not playoff level. After that ... nada.

And we don't want to bring in a Barrow-level kid because they're too expensive? Relative to the stakes at hand, this is penny wise pound foolish.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
4 months ago...

www.canesinsight.com

The Bank (12/13)

Portal season is in full swing, and things are changing every day. Here is the latest from direct sources: - The staff is holding the QB process very close to the vest this year. My best read is as follows: they believe they can win games with Emory, he'll have every chance to compete, but...
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I’d say that post held up pretty well.

Remember, this is before Horton and Patterson spent the spring on the sideline.
 
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