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Hoyacane1620 said:
Haven't listened yet. But wasn't 8-4 what the majority of this board hoped for before the season started? I remember 9-3 being talked about as a real success.
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By the numbers yes, but it was always about how we got to 8-4/ 9-3. And we’ve looked disastrously recently, like worst in ACC.
 
Highline17 said:
By the numbers yes, but it was always about how we got to 8-4/ 9-3. And we’ve looked disastrously recently, like worst in ACC.
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CIS has always told me you are what your record says you are. How you got there is irrelevant. If you're 8-4, you're 8-4. If you're 7-5 or 6-6, that's what you are. So who we lost to or how we lost is irrelevant.

(This is obviously ridiculously comical and wildly incorrect, but it's what's spewed on this cesspool of a site incessantly)
 
Yoyo82 said:
Mario broke TVD and broke our offense.

That's my opinion.

Instead of looking at what Lashlee did and building a team around that on offense, but improving the line play and the defense, Mario tried to force TVD into the wrong scheme. Twice now. It doesn't matter who the OC is. They have their directive from Mario. It's clear by now who he is and what he wants. He hired a Hal Mumme disciple! Hal Mumme! A founder of the air raid offense. And then he neutered him.

And he broke TVD beyond repair in the process. Any decent QB would be foolish to come here unless they prefer and execute perfectly well in Mario's slow and methodical offense.

TVD works better when he's slinging the ball around with 3 or 4 wide. Rolling out of the pocket and making plays in a fast moving offense no huddle offense. Go look at his stats in every high scoring game we've been in for 3 years now.

When he's forced into a grind it out, slow, physical, one score, possession type game, he is terrible.
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So how do you explain the first 4 game of the season?

Are you saying that Mario decided to revert to a subpar offense that was winning games just before conference games started?
 
Ghandi said:
So how do you explain the first 4 game of the season?

Are you saying that Mario decided to revert to a subpar offense that was winning games just before conference games started?
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I meaaaaaan would it really be all that surprising if it played out that way? Obviously a moronic decision buuuuuuuttttttt it is Mario we’re talking about.
 
Pate is always going to be positive to everyone. The more fanbases think he's on their side the more they watch. Clicks pay his bills so that's what matters. After Mario is gone he'll talk like Mario needed to go but that's about it.
 
Gi0logy said:
Is it progress? Technically yes. But we may not even get to 7-5.

But none of that matters. Mario was outdone by Mike Elko in his first year at Duke with fewer resources.

Mario has been outdone now by Jeff Brohm (also leading his Alma mater) who is 8-1 and probably playing in ACC championship in his first year.

It’s a joke these “lesser” programs can come in and see immediate success while Mario struggles to score a TD in a games two years in a row.
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Let some people tell it Mario needs 5 years to "get his guys in build da culchur"
 
Gi0logy said:
I meaaaaaan would it really be all that surprising if it played out that way? Obviously a moronic decision buuuuuuuttttttt it is Mario we’re talking about.
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I don’t disagree sir.

As a matter fact, if that is how it went down, I’d expect the OC to leave as soon as the season is over.

There is no way a guy like Dawson ends up in condensed sets like that on his own. He’s never ran them in his career.
 
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Ghandi said:
So how do you explain the first 4 game of the season?

Are you saying that Mario decided to revert to a subpar offense that was winning games just before conference games started?
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I went back and watched the A&M game today (the condensed version).

The offense looks very different..I don't know why and can't explain it and won't pretend to be an expert.

But we were mostly in 3 and 4 wide sets and I don't think I ever saw Restrepo motion inline next to the TE. Seemed like there were at least 4 receiver options for every play. Also TVD rolled out a lot and most of our big plays where with him on the run (not sure if they were designed that way or not). Lots of runs outside tackles as well.

Once again, I'm not an expert but that's what I noticed just by rewatching the A&M game.

Edit: we also went down by 10 points very early and it was obvious our defense was not going to stop A&M. We got 2 turnovers luckily and a few 4th down stops deep in our territory and a missed FG otherwise they would have put 40+ on us as well.
 
Ghandi said:
So how do you explain the first 4 game of the season?

Are you saying that Mario decided to revert to a subpar offense that was winning games just before conference games started?
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Yes. Not to subvert but because he thought it was best. They reportedly self scouted during the bye week. During the GT game he talked about needing to be methodical in a sideline interview. And finally post game GT said we need to maintain control so we don’t have to sling the ball all over the field.
 
Pate basically said a lot of fans said 7-5 would be an improvement/success over last year and we're one game away from being that. But those same people want everything blown up even though we could realistically meet the goal they expected prior to the start of the season.
 
MiamisMoperiestMopes said:
Yes. Not to subvert but because he thought it was best. They reportedly self scouted during the bye week. During the GT game he talked about needing to be methodical in a sideline interview. And finally post game GT said we need to maintain control so we don’t have to sling the ball all over the field.
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I hadn’t heard of that.

Man, what an absolute moron.

Slinging it around or not, still puts pressure on your defense to essentially be perfect or **** near for 60min.

Ground and pound in todays CFB essentially limits the mistake your defense can make BECAUSE you wouldn’t be able to ramp up the pace and keep up.

At least slinging it around gives you a chance to score and actually win.

If your QB cannot execute the offense as is…then pull him the **** out.
 
Ghandi said:
There’s something underlying we’re not seeing that has caused the season to just go straight into the tank offensively.

You don’t go from 38ppg to 6 over the course of a 4-week period.

Miami will more than likely go 0-4 over to end the season on yet another losing streak.

You have to score to win games. They can’t do that.

Season is over.
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I wonder how much Tyler's leg is affecting him. My son brought up to me yesterday that Joe Burrow was playing totally out of character to start the season while he had a leg injury. That bares out; he threw for 2 TDs and 2 INTs over his first four games. The miniscule TD total was totally out of character for his normal level of play.

Now healthy, he's thrown for 10 TDs and 2 INTs in his following four games.

Perhaps Mario should have let Tyler sit the game after Clemson as well.

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Ghandi said:
I don’t disagree sir.

As a matter fact, if that is how it went down, I’d expect the OC to leave as soon as the season is over.

There is no way a guy like Dawson ends up in condensed sets like that on his own. He’s never ran them in his career.
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4th and 1....and your QB is in the Shotgun???....Get that BS tf out of my face.
 
HurricanesR1 said:
Pate basically said a lot of fans said 7-5 would be an improvement/success over last year and we're one game away from being that. But those same people want everything blown up even though we could realistically meet the goal they expected prior to the start of the season.
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I've said this since the day last season ended.

The only reason anyone would be happy with 7-5 this year because of how badly Mario underachieved last year. 5-7 in 2022 was 2 or 3 games below the WORST expectations. The most pessimistic fans predicted 7-5 last year and MOST predicted 9-10 wins last year. I think it was 70%+ on this board that predicted at least 9 wins.

So if we went 7-5 last year, the lowest of low expectations, would there be a SINGLE fan this year that would see going 7-5 again as progress?

No! Mario did such a great job underachieving last year that he completely tanked fans expectations this year so that even if he goes 7-5, he can point to some kind of "progress". But we've all seen and been through this before.

Any championship level coach shows great culture improvements in year 1 and the results appear on the field and in the records by year 2. And with the transfer portal and no annual limits on scholarships, his opportunity to change the program faster is greater than it's ever been.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
4th and 1....and your QB is in the Shotgun???....Get that BS tf out of my face.
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It’s called the Pistol sir, please.

Seriously though, a QB sneak there would’ve gotten it. I think they had a LB in the gap between C and RG. Probably could’ve walked into the end zone.
 
GojiraCane said:
I wonder how much Tyler's leg is affecting him. My son brought up to me yesterday that Joe Burrow was playing totally out of character to start the season while he had a leg injury. That bares out; he threw for 2 TDs and 2 INTs over his first four games. The miniscule TD total was totally out of character for his normal level of play.

Now healthy, he's thrown for 10 TDs and 2 INTs in his following four games.

Perhaps Mario should have let Tyler sit the game after Clemson as well.

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This has some merit, thank you sir.

But it’s been bad since GT. Is that when he hurt is leg?
 
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