Joe Yearby

[hotshot]

Didn't Joe have those two kids even before enrolling at UM? Thought I read that when he signed. If true, added to the academic adjustment challenge, that's a helluva burden for an 18/19 yr old. Almost guaranteed disaster.

 

[Chuckles]

Stupid is, stupid does. I don't defend stupid, but this system is ridiculous and exploits young men.

In that case would you counsel young men to avoid signing for a free scholarship?

 

[bshaw28]

I’m ok with you disagreeing.

But word around the program is that Richt told Rosier he would never play for him. Instead of pouting and going away, he stayed and earned his spot. Irvin, Jr. was in the doghouse. Stayed, earned his spot. And played when Herdon was hurt.

Linder ran for the hills when he lost his spot. Odogwu, too.

Some guys stick it out, others search for an easy exit. Yearby thought going pro early was an easier path than staying another year. No other explanation makes any sense ... Even using your logic of staying being his 3rd best option. Even if it wasn’t.

On Walton ... Read my post with some nuance. I didn’t say he will ONlY be drafted for special teams. I’m saying his ability to b a special teams ace will be the reason he can run a 4.7 and still get drafted. The tape says he makes tackles. The tape says he makes blocks and gets off blocks. NFL teams need those guys. It’s why New England drafted a guy who played more rugby than football at Ohio State.

You’re already on record suggesting there is no difference between Walton and Yearby as a running back. ****, you don’t even think Walton is the faster back. You’d think you’d actually agree with me, to give yourself an out when Walton gets drafted after running a 4.65 at the combine. Lol

If Walton runs a 4.65, where do you think he gets drafted? What round? What do you expect Walton to run, and where do you expect him to get drafted?

I'm on record as saying I personally prefer Yearby to Walton, but I think they're very similar talents levels. I have no problem if you think Walton is better, but there's very little separation between the 2 either way. Both are solid college RB's, but neither are NFL RB's. Mainly because neither have the size or athleticism.

If Yearby runs a 4.73 and Walton runs a 4.65, the takeaway shouldn't be Walton is faster. The takeaway should be they're both really slow. Yearby and Walton both didn't test well athletically coming out of HS. They were similar, but Yearby tested better (I can post the stats if you don't believe me).

Your example of Nate Ebner proves my point. Ebner ran a 4.53, had a 39" vertical, broad jumped 10-8, and had a 6.59 3 cone drill. He was a SICK athlete. You can turn a great athlete into a great special teams player. You can't turn Walton into a great athlete. There s a reason why Homer has 8 solo ST tackles to Walton's 4, and it's because he's another level athletically.

If Walton returns kicks and is awful at it, like he was, that doesn't help his draft stock for just doing it. Same with ST coverage. 1 big hit vs. WVU doesn't make him a special teams "ace".

As for Yearby not wanting to stick it out, I'm sure he felt he outplaying Walton when he got demoted to 3rd string, which is a valid argument (I've got stats for that too if you don't believe me).

I'm sure Yearby was salty he was behind Walton, felt he couldn't earn more PT no matter what, and that rubbed Richt wrong. Richt didn't care because he had enough RB's on the roster and coming in (so he thought at the time). He wasn't running away or taking the easy route - he wasn't getting a fair shake. Walton is Richt's dude, and Richt was sticking with Walton no matter what. That was made clear both last year and this year.

Richt didn’t care because Walton is fifteen times the running back that Yearby is. Walton is going to get drafted and make an NFL team. Yearby never had a realistic chance of sniffing a 53 man roster. We will bump this is in April and September. To be clear though, I hope things work out for Yearby. I wish theyd let him finish his degree

Walton is not 15x the RB that Yearby is

Look....Mike James, Jarett Payton, Damien Berry, Javarris James all were in the NFL for a couple years. They have a combined 500 career yds rushing. Mike James was the only one who was drafted. Tyrone Moss, Graig Cooper, Joe Yearby all got NFL tryouts but didn't make a team. I have always put Mark Walton in this group. Of the 8 RB's I've mentioned, I personally don't see a huge gap in talent level between any of them.

I never said Walton definitely doesn't get drafted. I've said I think 5th round is his ceiling, and the more likely (not definite) scenario is he's a UFA. If he gets drafted, I think a practice squad is more likely than an active roster. I hope he proves me wrong.

I wishing the best for Walton and all Miami players. I always do. But I also give my realistic opinions about Walton and every other Miami player. I'm just an idiot with an opinion.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Stupid is, stupid does. I don't defend stupid, but this system is ridiculous and exploits young men.

In that case would you counsel young men to avoid signing for a free scholarship?

The “free” scholarships are the ones the non-athlete students get. The “student-athletes” don’t get those.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I'm really over this whole line about the kids getting taken advantage way of thinking. They receive a scholarship to attend a university and get a free education.They come by that opportunity because they're good at doing something they love to do, play with a ball. Let's stop acting like they're forced to be football players or any other athlete. Not to mention most get additional benefits as well *wink*wink*.
He was given what he was owed and agreed upon, which was a free ride, he chose to pass that up so as I stated previously he now faces the consequences.
I actually feel kinda bad, because this isn't really about Yerby, it's about owning your decisions and mistakes.

Agree.

The argument for kids getting paid is always about the star players getting paid. And it's a ridiculous argument, IMO.

A good number of scholarship players NEVER make a meaningful impact on the field during games.

So, are we paying the 4th string scholarship guy the same thing at the Heisman candidate???

Every kid on scholarship gets a platform to demonstrate their talents for the NFL ... And the guys who do so at an acceptable level get paid by the NFL! It's a fair exchange.

The issue is little leagues and high schools have to stop operating like the NFL is some guarantee for every kid who likes football, or needs a way out of the 'hood.

Football can absolutely be your way to a better life ... But that better life may be because you were able to earn a college degree as a grant-in-aid student athlete. And there's nothing wrong with that, even if you don't play beyond college.

I'm not arguing for paying players, but the argument that they are getting compensated through tuition, room and board doesn't fly. The players at high D1 level are overwhelmingly pushed into useless degree tracks because they need to make grades to stay eligible, and therefore the "education" most CFB players receive has very little utility in real life. Letting former players come back to finish a degree is a nice thing to do and good PR. Perhaps there is a reason Yearby is having a problem being re-admitted. With the life decisions he has made, it wouldn't surprise me if he screwed this up for himself as well.

 

[TriStarCane]

Friend of the show Malki Kawa convinced Norton he would be drafted higher than his advisory grade, which then subsequently led to McIntosh declaring for the draft. **** that guy. Please never bring him back on the podcast or to this site. Pete, if you're a runner for this guy...

 

[TheRichtShow]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

Did you not follow Richt at GA?

They always lost kids early to the NFL.

I also don't see how those 2 things are mutually exclusive. They're not

 

[Miami Nights]

All of these decisions, many/most of them foolish, have less to do with contracts, coaches, agents, etc.; it has to do with a disdain/ambivalence/rejection of education, imo. Fortunately, or unfortunately, these choices are fortified by every late-round/free agent who goes on to make a career in the NFL*. For anyone who has made any real money, you realize two things: 1) The league minimum, in the whole scheme of things...ain’t a lot of money; and 2) there is no way you can keep money living the way they do.

But, they’re grown men and I’ll back their choices, even when I don’t agree. Why? Because no/low-draft doesn’t mean they can’t have life success.

*I consider this a great story, others may feel differently.

Ricky Jean Francois
Carol City High School
LSU
Entered draft about the size of Norton; slightly smaller Source: LSU defensive lineman Ricky Jean-Francois will enter the NFL draft
7th round; 244th pick
Has played for 5 teams in his 9 year career.

But to me, his real success, is that he listened to veteran teammates who said you have to have a plan after the game.

HE OWNS 30 DUNKIN DONUTS!

All that said, every kid should be attempting to leave college with a degree, even (or should I say especially) if they plan to leave early. For reference, Deshaun Watson did it.

Too bad Ricky jean couldn't get into Miami but he could get into LSU. smh.

 

[MIATL]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I'm really over this whole line about the kids getting taken advantage way of thinking. They receive a scholarship to attend a university and get a free education.They come by that opportunity because they're good at doing something they love to do, play with a ball. Let's stop acting like they're forced to be football players or any other athlete. Not to mention most get additional benefits as well *wink*wink*.
He was given what he was owed and agreed upon, which was a free ride, he chose to pass that up so as I stated previously he now faces the consequences.
I actually feel kinda bad, because this isn't really about Yerby, it's about owning your decisions and mistakes.

Agree.

The argument for kids getting paid is always about the star players getting paid. And it's a ridiculous argument, IMO.

A good number of scholarship players NEVER make a meaningful impact on the field during games.

So, are we paying the 4th string scholarship guy the same thing at the Heisman candidate???

Every kid on scholarship gets a platform to demonstrate their talents for the NFL ... And the guys who do so at an acceptable level get paid by the NFL! It's a fair exchange.

The issue is little leagues and high schools have to stop operating like the NFL is some guarantee for every kid who likes football, or needs a way out of the 'hood.

Football can absolutely be your way to a better life ... But that better life may be because you were able to earn a college degree as a grant-in-aid student athlete. And there's nothing wrong with that, even if you don't play beyond college.

I'm not arguing for paying players, but the argument that they are getting compensated through tuition, room and board doesn't fly. The players at high D1 level are overwhelmingly pushed into useless degree tracks because they need to make grades to stay eligible, and therefore the "education" most CFB players receive has very little utility in real life. Letting former players come back to finish a degree is a nice thing to do and good PR. Perhaps there is a reason Yearby is having a problem being re-admitted. With the life decisions he has made, it wouldn't surprise me if he screwed this up for himself as well.

This is a choice that the athletes make, though.

You have the discussion about your education during the recruiting process. And if a coach isn't interested in you being a serious student, then go someplace else.

Nobody is forcing kids to go into useless majors. The kids doing that are doing so because they are there to major in football, and that's their choice.

Braxton Berrios has a very useful degree, and excelled in the classroom. He also had a very good playing career at Miami. How did he manage??

It can be done ... Kids just have to be upfront with what they want from the school offering the scholarship. And then, choose wisely.

 

[QuattroCane]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I'm really over this whole line about the kids getting taken advantage way of thinking. They receive a scholarship to attend a university and get a free education.They come by that opportunity because they're good at doing something they love to do, play with a ball. Let's stop acting like they're forced to be football players or any other athlete. Not to mention most get additional benefits as well *wink*wink*.
He was given what he was owed and agreed upon, which was a free ride, he chose to pass that up so as I stated previously he now faces the consequences.
I actually feel kinda bad, because this isn't really about Yerby, it's about owning your decisions and mistakes.

Agree.

The argument for kids getting paid is always about the star players getting paid. And it's a ridiculous argument, IMO.

A good number of scholarship players NEVER make a meaningful impact on the field during games.

So, are we paying the 4th string scholarship guy the same thing at the Heisman candidate???

Every kid on scholarship gets a platform to demonstrate their talents for the NFL ... And the guys who do so at an acceptable level get paid by the NFL! It's a fair exchange.

The issue is little leagues and high schools have to stop operating like the NFL is some guarantee for every kid who likes football, or needs a way out of the 'hood.

Football can absolutely be your way to a better life ... But that better life may be because you were able to earn a college degree as a grant-in-aid student athlete. And there's nothing wrong with that, even if you don't play beyond college.

I'm not arguing for paying players, but the argument that they are getting compensated through tuition, room and board doesn't fly. The players at high D1 level are overwhelmingly pushed into useless degree tracks because they need to make grades to stay eligible, and therefore the "education" most CFB players receive has very little utility in real life. Letting former players come back to finish a degree is a nice thing to do and good PR. Perhaps there is a reason Yearby is having a problem being re-admitted. With the life decisions he has made, it wouldn't surprise me if he screwed this up for himself as well.

Look I'm trying to hold on to the only sport I have left, can you please stop.

 

[AUcane]

Friend of the show Malki Kawa convinced Norton he would be drafted higher than his advisory grade, which then subsequently led to McIntosh declaring for the draft. **** that guy. Please never bring him back on the podcast or to this site. Pete, if you're a runner for this guy...

There are a lot of scummy hanger ons to kids at UM. It’s sad but it’s a big problem in Miami

 

[CaneJuice69]

Friend of the show Malki Kawa convinced Norton he would be drafted higher than his advisory grade, which then subsequently led to McIntosh declaring for the draft. **** that guy. Please never bring him back on the podcast or to this site. Pete, if you're a runner for this guy...

There are a lot of scummy hanger ons to kids at UM. It’s sad but it’s a big problem in Miami

Defintely right, but not only in Miami....LA quickly comes to mind as well

 

[kendallcanes]

I am referencing the inability to come back to college after declaring for the NFL draft. The players should not have to declare. If the NFL draft happens and they are selected, they would at least know what they are getting (Drafted - what round, what guarantees, not drafted, etc). In its current format, players have to take a leap of faith. High School baseball players get drafted all the time. They can choose college or pro. Nobody is left out to dry.

As much as i think Joe Yearby made a stupid decision, the system failed him. It is not set up in the best interests of the players.

 

[MIATL]

I am referencing the inability to come back to college after declaring for the NFL draft. The players should not have to declare. If the NFL draft happens and they are selected, they would at least know what they are getting (Drafted - what round, what guarantees, not drafted, etc). In its current format, players have to take a leap of faith. High School baseball players get drafted all the time. They can choose college or pro. Nobody is left out to dry.

As much as i think Joe Yearby made a stupid decision, the system failed him. It is not set up in the best interests of the players.

The system is fine.

MLB has a robust minor league system that allows for multiple rounds of drafting players, and those kids can choose to be minor league players.

The NFL doesn't have the same farm system.

Instead, college football players get to play on TV every week ... And travel to bowl games, where they get lots of free stuff. And they get to be on full scholarship.

 

[The Franchise]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

Yes.

The university has made more off Yearby, than what Yearby will cost the university to get his degree. Dosen't matter the advertised tuition costs, the actual real costs to the university, (won't be getting room and board) for him to attend classes would be negligible. The costs to repair the negative pr, priceless.

The "noble cause" of an institute of higher learning is to make people better human beings. And one of the ways is leading by example. One of the "selling points" of UM is the education, let Yearby get his and maybe he'll learn and make better decisions in the future.

What did the university make off Yearby exactly? How do you quantify that they made more money from him than the money they spent on him? He was here for 3 years living and eating for free and going to school for free. That's probably $300K that the university spent on him.

How did they make more than that off a backup RB? The incredible Joe Yearby merchandising machine? LOL.

 

[The Franchise]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

In Yearby's defense - Richt was the guy telling him to come back to Miami, but Richt was also the guy who demoted him from starter in 2015 to 3rd string by the end of 2016. Probably made for an awkward conversation on both sides.

When Yearby declared - Gus hadn't said he was transferring, McFarland was a "lock" to Miami, and Burns was also coming in. That's a crowded backfield, and I'm sure Yearby already felt he had been shafted by the 3rd string demotion.

I don't think rolling the dice on the draft was a bad decision given the situation Yearby was in.

Now - if Yearby knew Gus was transferring, McFarland wasn't coming, and Burns & Walton would get hurt & be out for the season - then I'm sure he would've stayed. But there was no way to know that at the time of his decision.

That's no defense to this situation. Yearby was never guaranteed a starting job at UM. So what? No one is.

He was, however, guaranteed a free education and room and board if he stuck around for his senior season and opted to compete.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

They need to let him reenroll for free so these kids have a living breathing example of how leaving too early can blow up in their face.

My guess is they will do so and that his efforts to get back in classes has probably been cursory at best so far with maybe some lower level person in financial aid or at the registrar's office just being like "Well it's not showing here that you're currently on any type of scholarship....".

Not saying how they should do it one way or the other because I don't know all the details but your theory is backwards. If they want to show how leaving early could blow up in your face wouldn't making him pay if he re-enrolls do that? I mean if they just let him come back what kind of punishment/lesson does it teach them for leaving before they are ready?

That's right...punish the slave that ran away. Teach him a lesson so the others don't try to escape! We own them

Did you really just equate attending the University of Miami akin slavery? There's dumb and then there's this.

It's obvious that this poster has not idea what slavery was all about with that comment. I don't care the color of their skin either....comparing anything in today's United States to that of slavery does a HUGE injustice to those that actually were enslaved.

 

[canesproponent]

Tuition and Room and Board = 4 * $64,306
Tack on another $12,000 per annum minimum for food and their stipend

Easily $300,000..... and another $100,000 if they redshirt.

UM is now a top-50 university. Only 26% of the US obtains a degree from a 4-year accredited school. Only ~7% of college football players make it to the NFL and half of them make enough money to retire (not including the crazy BK statistics).

A degree from UM lands people on first base, with a 50% chance of making second. Kids need to realize this.

Youngest Boomer is 54, so anyone with a degree under the age of 40 stands to make a lot of money by getting a great degree. UM is no longer "sun tan U"...

 

[Canezum5]

It amazes me how so many of you can't seem to find out why/how a school would entertain the idea of paying for a persons education after they leave for the chance to make a real check from their labor.

Schools come to your house and beg you and your family for an opportunity to come and risk your life and limb on that football field so they can potentially make millions off of your talent in return giving you a free education that isn't worth as much as its inflated.

How many colleges are going bankrupt? I mean, is it that bad to let a guy finish his education for free??

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

It amazes me how so many of you can't seem to find out why/how a school would entertain the idea of paying for a persons education after they leave for the chance to make a real check from their labor.

Schools come to your house and beg you and your family for an opportunity to come and risk your life and limb on that football field so they can potentially make millions off of your talent in return giving you a free education that isn't worth as much as its inflated.

How many colleges are going bankrupt? I mean, is it that bad to let a guy finish his education for free??

Exactly.

I’m always amazed at how much “fans” of certain sports hate the athletes who play those sports so much. Jealousy is a terrible thing.