Joe Yearby

[ddann]

So, just to summarize:

1) Yearby shouldn't have made stupid choices.

2) UM should let him come back and complete his degree tuition-free.

3) There is no reason to believe that Mark Richt (or any other HC at Miami) is going to be able to talk players who have no business trying to leave early for the NFL out of leaving early for the NFL.

 

[TheSwagger1]

3) There is no reason to believe that Mark Richt (or any other HC at Miami) is going to be able to talk players who have no business trying to leave early for the NFL out of leaving early for the NFL.

I would say that helping kids make good decisions is one of the most important components of Mark Richt's job. He can't force them at gunpoint, I understand, but you hope to see some level of progress there moving forward. We're seeing some really bad decisions made.

 

[miamicanephins]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I've come to the conclusion that they should be paid. Certainly not NFL money, but enough that they could take care of a family situation if need be.

And to Yearby, what drain on the University would he be? They won't be turning on the lights in the classroom just for him, and I'm sure he won't be taking the seat of some other student, and I'm sure there is enough air conditioning to go around for all. This is not that hard.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

Do you have children?

Can you explain to me what Richt could have done differently, and what you are aware of he didn’t do?

You do realize he has around 80 children to “father” don’t you? On top of running a major P5 football program, fundraising, managing his assistants, meeting with boosters, fulfilling his administrative duties, recruiting, etc.?

What more could he have done to prevent Yearby from making his litany of stupid decisions? Been there before he inserted his ***** to personally place a condom on him? Held his hand and made sure he made it to all his classes.

Tell me specifically what he could have done to better fulfill his “father” role.

I said I'd hoped he would be instrumental in preventing this kind of thing and that the wish hasn't materialized. I'm not aware of his pyschological tactics and frankly I don't care what methods he employs. I hope you're getting paid for the white knighting around here, because you seem legitimately hurt that people think differently about you about various things and it's unfortunate it seems so personal.

And I hope you take a moment to think things through, rather than come to frivolous, shallow conclusions based on zero information other than a few words in a newspaper article..

Had you offered a reasonable opinion based on something more than just jumping to a conclusion based on basically no knowledge of the situation, I would have more respect for your opinion. You call it “white knighting”, I call it trying to look at the totality of the situation rather than jumping to an immature, uninformed and emotional assumption based on virtually no information.

Kids are bailing and making bad decisions. I opined that I'd hoped Richt would have been able to curb that. Bottom line - he hasn't so far. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want about what's happening between point A and B. Whatever details you'd like to list out won't matter on draft day - our kids will be there (we hope).

Are we talking about three kids? Yes, I think that’s the number in his first 2 years.

Yes, they made bad decisions, and it sounds like you’re putting most of the blame on Richt.

It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s just an extremely poor and shallow thought process on your part. It’s almost frivolous to lay on Richt what you are basically calling a lack of leadership, on just three players, none of them his recruits, in his first two years. It’s a an extremely small sample size over a very limited amount of time. But I’m not expecting that level of detailed thought from you based on the depth of your posts so far.

It’s possible Richt might in retrospect ponder what he might have done differently with the two DTs (as well as their position coach), and it’s certainly something to be addressed in the coaches’ room, although I think there’s very little that would have changed their or Yearby’s minds.

Additionally, I have seen nothing that indicates Miami has any higher incidence of low draft/undrafted players leaving than other P5 programs. Stupid decisions are being made everywhere, with a only a couple of exceptions like Clemson this particular season.

 

[ddann]

3) There is no reason to believe that Mark Richt (or any other HC at Miami) is going to be able to talk players who have no business trying to leave early for the NFL out of leaving early for the NFL.

I would say that helping kids make good decisions is one of the most important components of Mark Richt's job. He can't force them at gunpoint, I understand, but you hope to see some level of progress there moving forward. We're seeing some really bad decisions made.

Yes, and since he can't force them at gunpoint to make smart decisions, then expect more dumb decisions to be made and expect them to be made often.

I have no doubt that he will provide them with good advice and guidance. My doubt lies in the realm of whether or not they will take advantage of that good advice and guidance. History and current events seem to show that, most of the time, they will not.

 

[QuattroCane]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I'm really over this whole line about the kids getting taken advantage way of thinking. They receive a scholarship to attend a university and get a free education.They come by that opportunity because they're good at doing something they love to do, play with a ball. Let's stop acting like they're forced to be football players or any other athlete. Not to mention most get additional benefits as well *wink*wink*.
He was given what he was owed and agreed upon, which was a free ride, he chose to pass that up so as I stated previously he now faces the consequences.
I actually feel kinda bad, because this isn't really about Yerby, it's about owning your decisions and mistakes.

 

[mianjomar]

A good compromise is to make NFL teams declare themselves for eligible early prospects..Have an early combine for them. Go through the draft order put your Cards on the table. If the kid goes undrafted or is in the last couple of rounds he can re apply to finish his eligibility. No agents allowed until a kid accepts his position. Yearby probably would not be accepted back at the U but he could finish his education elsewhere.

 

[The Franchise]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

 

[Gi0logy]

A good compromise is to make NFL teams declare themselves for eligible early prospects..Have an early combine for them. Go through the draft order put your Cards on the table. If the kid goes undrafted or is in the last couple of rounds he can re apply to finish his eligibility. No agents allowed until a kid accepts his position. Yearby probably would not be accepted back at the U but he could finish his education elsewhere.

Everyone would declare early if that's the case.

 

[The Franchise]

Wasnt Gator dad of the year allowed to return years later and get his degree free of charge ?

And that worked out great for UM. He's been trashing UM to everyone and anyone since we let his sorry *** come back here and get his degree for free.

 

[MIATL]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.

I'm really over this whole line about the kids getting taken advantage way of thinking. They receive a scholarship to attend a university and get a free education.They come by that opportunity because they're good at doing something they love to do, play with a ball. Let's stop acting like they're forced to be football players or any other athlete. Not to mention most get additional benefits as well *wink*wink*.
He was given what he was owed and agreed upon, which was a free ride, he chose to pass that up so as I stated previously he now faces the consequences.
I actually feel kinda bad, because this isn't really about Yerby, it's about owning your decisions and mistakes.

Agree.

The argument for kids getting paid is always about the star players getting paid. And it's a ridiculous argument, IMO.

A good number of scholarship players NEVER make a meaningful impact on the field during games.

So, are we paying the 4th string scholarship guy the same thing at the Heisman candidate???

Every kid on scholarship gets a platform to demonstrate their talents for the NFL ... And the guys who do so at an acceptable level get paid by the NFL! It's a fair exchange.

The issue is little leagues and high schools have to stop operating like the NFL is some guarantee for every kid who likes football, or needs a way out of the 'hood.

Football can absolutely be your way to a better life ... But that better life may be because you were able to earn a college degree as a grant-in-aid student athlete. And there's nothing wrong with that, even if you don't play beyond college.

 

[emrok]

It's not hard to understand why they're leaving. Even if they graduated with a degree, what college major would lead to a job that pays half a million dollars to start? And making an example of Yearby will do nothing. NCAA/NFL leadership is what is needed here, but that won't happen.

You wouldn't be saying the same for the 3rd string punter if he left early and came back trying to get free school. Yearbook wasn't an NFL prospect and decided to leave against his best interests.

That said, UM should let him finish. No doubt there is more to the story than what's been told.

 

[ThomasM]

It's not hard to understand why they're leaving. Even if they graduated with a degree, what college major would lead to a job that pays half a million dollars to start? And making an example of Yearby will do nothing. NCAA/NFL leadership is what is needed here, but that won't happen.

Maybe kids need to realize football doesn't last forever, and their education is actually important. Sure, they can make a lot of money for a few years, but then what? They are student athletes, and as soon as they go pro and leave school, they are no longer students. Maybe they should pay their own way with all that money they were promised they would make.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

The thing is, we don’t have all the information.

I’m pretty sure any player is able to return to continue their education gratis, based on meeting certain conditions.

Does Yearby strike you as someone who would keep up with whatever requirements are necessary? I have a feeling he was barely hanging on academically when he left, but I could be wrong. Either way, I know UM has done it for a bunch of players, all we have now is a 4-word blurb from Barry Jackson in the Herald.

 

[Fluffhead]

LOL.

I thought Miami offered a life-long scholarship if guys decided to leave early.

Don't know why you are laughing. I am almost positive that is the case.

 

[Tad Footeball]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

The thing is, we don’t have all the information.

I’m pretty sure any player is able to return to continue their education gratis, based on meeting certain conditions.

Does Yearby strike you as someone who would keep up with whatever requirements are necessary? I have a feeling he was barely hanging on academically when he left, but I could be wrong. Either way, I know UM has done it for a bunch of players, all we have now is a 4-word blurb from Barry Jackson in the Herald.

I normally respect Jackson's nuggets about the program but this was pretty irresponsible to put out there without doing any digging for the actual details. OR he's friendly with Yearby and is trying to apply public pressure to Miami to let him back in for free even if the kid may not be meeting some possible requirements to qualify for the continued freebie education.

My guess is Jackson is just regurgitating what Yearby (or his family) told him but he really should've provided more background.

 

[QuattroCane]

LOL.

I thought Miami offered a life-long scholarship if guys decided to leave early.

Don't know why you are laughing. I am almost positive that is the case.

I think you're mistaken, if that were the case they would have to offer it to every athlete in every sport, which I sincerely doubt.

 

[rsa coral gables]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

why not? in the post-obama world, everyone is entitled to everything and have OTHER people pay for it. sounds f@cking fair to me.

 

[jerive31]

There was a policy under Shalala that former student athletes who went pro could come back to get their degree under a lifetime scholarship. Miami was actually one of the first schools to implement it. It began after she saw Ray Lewis get his degree at Maryland. It was never, that I can tell, fully detailed what the criteria would be for receiving that aid for returning athletes, but my guess is if what's been reported re: Yearby is accurate, he's either not met the criteria in some fashion or that policy no longer exists now that Shalala is gone.

 

[passitback]

So let me get this straight. Yearby bails on us and basically quits the team when we sure could have used him. Makes an absurd decision. Was probably a cancer in the lockerroom toward the end.

And he expects to come back here and go to a $60K per year school for free after his idiotic decision blows up in his face? Is that what I'm hearing? And people feel like he should be able to do that?

why not? in the post-obama world, everyone is entitled to everything and have OTHER people pay for it. sounds f@cking fair to me.

I just consulted with the middle class folks in the USA, that’s incorrect. Nobody gives us a **** thing. We work for everything, and never get any corporate bailouts, meaningful tax cuts, etc. Nor do we (or would we qualify)for a handout. Simply put, very few politicians have our best interests at heart.

LOL. /endrant



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