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Jarrid Williams part Tres

KingB02 said:
Idk, man.. That kid was a turnstile! I was expecting him to be beaten with power moves because he is so green and light in the pants. But it was quite the opposite! Dude was not athletic at all and had stone feet. Was very slow. Was getting blown by by everyone lol. Came out of his stance late and shuffled slow af. Couldn’t get a body on speed rushers half the time. Cannot fix that. Blocking is simple. You explode out of your stance and you whip the man in front of you. Kid had no agility and seemed too soft to play here and was scared on each play. He will need a lot of time and work before he has the confidence to play here. But he did a decent job when he got his hands on you, I must say. Problem is he was too slow to get a hand on anyone which is crazy.
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It sounds like you have don't know too much about playing on the line. One reason a lineman will come out of the stance slowly is that he is unsure of his blocking responsibilities. For example, let's say the defense is stunting up front. You know what happens if you fire off the line and try to hit the man in front of you? You are going to be blocking air. On the flip side, if an OT thinks a stunt is coming and doesn't understand his responsibilities, you might see him shuffling backwards to try and buy more time to identify his rusher and also so he doesn't get blasted by the DT coming from his right or left. Let's say an OT know 100% a stunt is coming. It's a disaster if he tries to reach and block down at the exact same time the guard is trying to block the DE coming around (or crossing in front). The result will be running into each other and taking both the OT and OG out of the play. If the OT thinks a blitz is coming from the outside and doesn't have help (or doesn't realize he has help) he will often try to block two guys at once and fail. Or he'll pick the wrong guy. Again, pre-snap he's thinking too much and not moving with instinct, which makes him a step slow. But as anyone who has played on the line will tell you- the #1 reason that a player is slow out of his stance has to do with snap count. You think it's easy, but there is a reason that even in the pros, you see false starts all the time. An OLineman wants to hit his guy first as soon as ball moves a nanometer. It takes a lot of practice (and sometimes lots of gassers) to get an OL with a habit of false starts to stop jumping, but on the flip side it can make him slower coming out of the snap. There are lots of things that can be easily fixed with experience and a more player-friendly scheme.
 
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It sounds like you have don't know too much about playing on the line. One reason a lineman will come out of the stance slowly is that he is unsure of his blocking responsibilities. For example, let's say the defense is stunting up front. You know what happens if you fire off the line and try to hit the man in front of you? You are going to be blocking air. On the flip side, if an OT thinks a stunt is coming and doesn't understand his responsibilities, you might see him shuffling backwards to try and buy more time to identify his rusher and also so he doesn't get blasted by the DT coming from his right or left. Let's say an OT know 100% a stunt is coming. It's a disaster if he tries to reach and block down at the exact same time the guard is trying to block the DE coming around (or crossing in front). The result will be running into each other and taking both the OT and OG out of the play. If the OT thinks a blitz is coming from the outside and doesn't have help (or doesn't realize he has help) he will often try to block two guys at once and fail. Or he'll pick the wrong guy. Again, pre-snap he's thinking too much and not moving with instinct, which makes him a step slow. But as anyone who has played on the line will tell you- the #1 reason that a player is slow out of his stance has to do with snap count. You think it's easy, but there is a reason that even in the pros, you see false starts all the time. An OLineman wants to hit his guy first as soon as ball moves a nanometer. It takes a lot of practice (and sometimes lots of gassers) to get an OL with a habit of false starts to stop jumping, but on the flip side it can make him slower coming out of the snap. There are lots of things that can be easily fixed with experience and a more player-friendly scheme.
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Yes, all of this.

Zions biggest issue was being put in that position by the coaches, he wasn’t ready mentally or physically. The kid put on 50 pounds in months while being super raw and still new to the position. He was originally a tight end.

He was completely overwhelmed, playing the most important position on the field minus qb. Five star or two star that’s just not fair.

His biggest issue was getting out of his stance , if everything was timed up he was actually decent. Only being 285 as a LT is already a huge disadvantage then mix in being weak , raw and overwhelmed you get the eventual result.

If somebody has already reached a judgement on a kid after all I mentioned you’re either clueless about football or just mentally challenged.
 
scorpio40 said:
Bubba, we had no choice if not zion! We only bring in el gammel and washington and clark i believe? We needed bodies bad last year.
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Ya you right didn’t have a lot to work with I Woulda went sciafe and cambell as tackles and Donaldson and Clark at guards
 
NorthEastCane said:
Spoken like someone who's never played the position.

I'm not an OL guru so I'll leave to someone to opine on it but it stands to reason that it could easily be that (1)he was a true freshman, (2) learning a new offense which (3) the OC refused to throw him a life preserver. He may not have been processing things mentally as fast as an experienced 3 or 4 year player would. It's not as easy as "exploding out of your stance and whipping the man". If that was your only move, an experienced DE would easily use that against you and make you look foolish (which happened often).

By knowing what to expect and processing things faster, that can be fixed because by all accounts he is athletic, so he has raw skills. The only way to fix that is with reps which takes time. None of that means he's on a trajectory to be all conference. It just means he wasn't ready.
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It's almost criminal that Nelson was asked to start as a true freshman. Nelson arrived at Miami weighing 230-240LBs and had to put on 40-50LBs in the summer. We then ask him to start week 0 against UF who has several NFL caliber D-Lineman. The only O-Lineman who should be starting as True Freshman are the Evan Neal's of the world. Nelson battled all season and did his best. Nelson started all 13 Games at the hardest position on the O-Line. He's got my respect for not just quiting all together. I personally think Campbell at LT is our best bet for this season and then we let Zion be the backup and Redshirt. Him and Walker will be the Starting Tackles in 2021.

LT Walker
LG Rivers
C Gaynor
RG Scaife
RT Nelson
 
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BeastMode said:
We tried Campbell at tackle early and he was getting whipped also. We really didn’t have any options
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Right, The lesser of two evils but could have started Campbell there before zion and maybe woulda grew more throughout the year. Then again with searles running the same schemes That weren’t working and expecting different results is the definition of insanity lol
 
Mackmiller974 said:
It's almost criminal that Nelson was asked to start as a true freshman. Nelson arrived at Miami weighing 240LBs and had to put on almost 40LBs in the summer. We then ask him to start week 0 against UF who has several NFL caliber D-Lineman. The only O-Lineman who should be starting as True Freshman are the Evan Neal's of the world. Nelson battled all season and did his best. Nelson started all 13 Games at the hardest position on the O-Line. He's got my respect for not just quiting all together. I personally think Campbell at LT is our best bet for this season and then we let Zion be the backup and Redshirt. Him and Walker will be the Starting Tackles in 2021.

LT Walker
LG Rivers
C Gaynor
RG Scaife
RT Nelson
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Good lineup, unless Donaldson is healthy. If Donaldson is healthy,

LT Walker
LG Donaldson
C Gaynor
RG Scaife
RT Rivers
 
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BigWindyCane1 said:
Good lineup, unless Donaldson is healthy. If Donaldson is healthy,

LT Walker
LG Donaldson
C Gaynor
RG Scaife
RT Rivers
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Bro enough with the freshman playing that much or even starting. You begging Manny to get fired wit this line up. You do not want to freshman starting on the line like that. He learned last year with Campbell and Nelson. Pray to god Williams comes cause he could at least play RT.
 
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millertime26 said:
Bro enough with the fresh playing that much or even starting. You begging Manny to get fired wit this line up. You do not want to freshman starting on the line like that. He learned last year with Campbell and Nelson. Pray to god Williams comes cause he could at least play RT.
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We've had freshmen start in the past and do well, but not Nelson. I think with Walker and Rivers we'll see one or both come in and get some serious playing time this year. They are at a whole different level athletically then what we've been used to.
 
BoxingRobes said:
I think y'all are overrating him quite a bit...but without question, he's a plug n play starter for us on either side...but I don't see a bunch of upside here. If we can get some HM All-Conference play from him I'd be clapping it up like Larry Coker.
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I've watched as much film as I can on him and I agree with you that he's being over hyped on the board. Definitely a good addition, but wouldn't be surprised if he ends up platooning with one of the freshmen or Zion.
 
GladeCane said:
I've watched as much film as I can on him and I agree with you that he's being over hyped on the board. Definitely a good addition, but wouldn't be surprised if he ends up platooning with one of the freshmen or Zion.
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If you think he’ll be platooning with Zion you’re under hyping him. That’s just crazy , I had to read it again to believe it was written lol.

There’s literally no chance that happens
 
Mackmiller974 said:
It's almost criminal that Nelson was asked to start as a true freshman. Nelson arrived at Miami weighing 230-240LBs and had to put on 40-50LBs in the summer. We then ask him to start week 0 against UF who has several NFL caliber D-Lineman. The only O-Lineman who should be starting as True Freshman are the Evan Neal's of the world. Nelson battled all season and did his best. Nelson started all 13 Games at the hardest position on the O-Line. He's got my respect for not just quiting all together. I personally think Campbell at LT is our best bet for this season and then we let Zion be the backup and Redshirt. Him and Walker will be the Starting Tackles in 2021.

LT Walker
LG Rivers
C Gaynor
RG Scaife
RT Nelson
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Zion doesn’t have a chance in **** at starting at L tackle over Campbell In 2021 especially if Campbell starts this year. Zion doesn’t have near the foot work, balance, strike and feel for the position compared to Campbell. And it’s actually not even close, Zion is a terrible football player and has no feel for the position at all. Some people need to wake up and realize just because you have some above average athletic traits it doesn’t automatically mean it’s gonna translate to the football field. If Zion is our starting tackle again In 2021 then things went really bad in a multitude of ways because he isn’t nearly as talented as Rivers, walker and Campbell.
 
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NicKane said:
Zion doesn’t have a chance in **** at starting at L tackle over Campbell In 2021 especially if Campbell starts this year. Zion doesn’t have near the foot work, balance, strike and feel for the position compared to Campbell. And it’s actually not even close, Zion is a terrible football player and has no feel for the position at all. Some people need to wake up and realize just because you have some above average athletic traits it doesn’t automatically mean it’s gonna translate to the football field. If Zion is our starting tackle again In 2021 then things went really bad in a multitude of ways because he isn’t nearly as talented as Rivers, walker and Campbell.
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Campbell was a Trainwreck in 2019 when he played Tackle as well... Not sure why you think there is this huge gap between them... You do realize O-Lineman continue to to get better with development right?
 
Mackmiller974 said:
Campbell was a Trainwreck in 2019 when he played Tackle as well... Not sure why you think there is this huge gap between them... You do realize O-Lineman continue to to get better with development right?
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If Campbell was a train wreck in 2019, then what do you call Zion? The ******* Apocalypse Nelson?! Jesus man, get real, Campbell was playing much better by the end of the year compared to Zion still not being able to get out of his 3 point stance before the D end was already around him. Some of you guys I swear must be family of the kid to keep trying to prop him up. He’s awful, he was two star for a reason! Smh
 
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