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Isaiah Horton is not hurt and we are still talking about him for some reason

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Alex_Dynamix said:
Dont think I've ever seen this much hype for a WR3 @ Miami lol..Im Willing to Bet JOJO trader has a better year then him 🤷‍♂️
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He probably will. But that could be due to the QBs and another WR in Bama’s roster more than Trader being better or worse than Horton. Besides, we need more than one playoff caliber receiver.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
He's a sophomore. This is not his "money year".

Nobody was putting their trust in Emory Williams. We pursued John Mateer WEEKS before the bowl game.

Our QB recruiting? Luke Nickel has been committed since August 2023. Dereon Coleman has been committed since July 2024. I understand impatience, and that is exactly why we are turning to the Portal for 2024 and 2025.

He could have been catching passes from Carson Beck in 2025 and Luke Nickel in 2026.

Instead, he's at Saban-less Alabama catching passes from Ty Simpson. And getting paid fairly well to do so.

He made his choice.
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Horton is a RS Jr, he can leave after this year. I said QB recruiting up to this point. Which is: Emory and Judd. That’s G5 level
 
htownkidd said:
Everyone on this board knows by “this season”, I meant the 2025 season, lol. C’mon man. IF he can follow up 2024 season with another good 2025 season, he will be going to get paid. Will he? That remains to be seen, but I’m 99.9% sure that is what he is thinking.
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He transferred with 2 years to play. It's not his "money year" as some people have misstated, which is what I was trying to point out. To be clear, stats do not automatically "increase" every year. There's a strong possibility that his numbers will go down at Alabama this year, at least compared to UM-2024.

And, quite frankly, I don't care "what he is thinking", because it's all a big self-delusion. Yes, in every 18 year old's heart/mind, he is only going to be playing college football for 3 years before he becomes an NFL millionaire. The reality is often quite different. Horton played with three other guys this year who had great stats. Where will THEY be drafted? Currently, Sam Brown is trending as a 7th rounder and may go undrafted. Jacolby George is trending even worse, he is likely to be an UDFA. We had a record-breaking single-season offense, and the only UM WR who is certain to be drafted is Xavier Restrepo.

So, yeah, if Horton thinks that spending a year at Alabama catching passes from Ty Simpson is going to magically get him drafted, that's his own self-delusion. It is far more likely that he will be playing college football for 2 more years.

Again, he made his choice. I don't think it was a very good choice, and I know what his optimistic self-delusion told him to do. It's not that different from prior years where guys gave up their senior years to be drafted in the 7th round or worse.
 
D_G87 said:
Horton is a RS Jr, he can leave after this year. I said QB recruiting up to this point. Which is: Emory and Judd. That’s G5 level
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"Up to this point" would include Beck and Nickel.

Anyone who thinks that Emory or Judd will be starting at UM actually SHOULD transfer to Alabama, on stupidity grounds.

The world needs ditch-diggers. And backup QBs.
 
grover said:
He probably will. But that could be due to the QBs and another WR in Bama’s roster more than Trader being better or worse than Horton. Besides, we need more than one playoff caliber receiver.
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Even If he was still here im not just penciling him in as our "Best" WR over Trader either but he def was solid and showed progress last year and would've added Quality experience, would have loved to still have the guy but the Stud talk I gotta see it b4 I believe it. A Stud to me is a first or second round WR.
 
Weird to worry about Horton. Guy had Cam Ward throwing him the ball. Averaged 5 catches for 66 ypg over first half of season. Pretty good. Closed season averaging 4 catches for 37 ypg. Not so good.

Had he gotten more productive as the year went on, sure we shoulda done everything possible to win a bidding war for him. He didn't. If our progrum is on the right track we should be able to replace his meager production to close the year by developing guys on the rooster, and we should be able to replace the height of his production in the spring portal.
 
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htownkidd said:
Everyone on this board knows by “this season”, I meant the 2025 season, lol. C’mon man. IF he can follow up 2024 season with another good 2025 season, he will be going to get paid. Will he? That remains to be seen, but I’m 99.9% sure that is what he is thinking.
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In January, aka before Miami had Carson Beck, if I was a WR going into my 4th college season and Alabama called me to pay me MORE money than Miami was willing to, I'd have been on the road before I hung up the phone.

In hindsight, with Beck and the depth chart here, was it a smart move? Maybe. Again, he's getting more money there than here. So that's obviously a major selling point. And it's not like he's definitely going to some atrocious QB situation. I trust DeBoer to get the most out of the talent on that team, he's done it everywhere he's ever been.

I have no ill will for the kid. **** him twice, for sure. If you ain't here, I DGAF about you. But I don't hate him for the decision, at the time he made it with the information he had, it was the right one.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Dont think I've ever seen this much hype for a WR3 @ Miami lol..Im Willing to Bet JOJO trader has a better year then him 🤷‍♂️
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Bruh, a WR3? Please stop the ****ery. Good God. You don't have to throw salt on Horton to prop up JT.

Let their game do the talking.
 
Question….if Horton entered the portal in spring and came to Miami would you be satisfied with the WR room?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
In January, aka before Miami had Carson Beck, if I was a WR going into my 4th college season and Alabama called me to pay me MORE money than Miami was willing to, I'd have been on the road before I hung up the phone.

In hindsight, with Beck and the depth chart here, was it a smart move? Maybe. Again, he's getting more money there than here. So that's obviously a major selling point. And it's not like he's definitely going to some atrocious QB situation. I trust DeBoer to get the most out of the talent on that team, he's done it everywhere he's ever been.

I have no ill will for the kid. **** him twice, for sure. If you ain't here, I DGAF about you. But I don't hate him for the decision, at the time he made it with the information he had, it was the right one.
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If his decision was simply about money then there's no discussion necessary imo.

However any discussion trying to prop up Alabama or Georgia over Miami as a better situation regarding the passing offense is losing steam with every passing season.

Colbie left an offense that got its 3rd option (him) at least 60 targets to go play in an archaic offense that puts the onus on you to simply be better than the guy across from you. Kirby hiring Searels then Bobo along with stiffer competition for recruits/talents (nil) puts their trajectory on the down slope.

Horton left the same offense & coaches to go to a program that just lost the goat & guy that really was their program & only reason for sustained success. The new guy you said you trust, understandably so, to get the best out of the talent on their team, just saw a decline in offensive production with, imo, a better receiver than any they had the year before.

I'm sure these guys weren't thinking about any of that & just thought Bama/Georgia & more $ & that's all they need to know.
However, the fact that both these guys were in this offense & saw gains then chose to leave is a bad decision on its own. Hopefully with another year of good offensive production, the perception of UM's offense will change to the point where players & especially WRs will value being in it.
 
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Ghurd8 said:
If his decision was simply about money then there's no discussion necessary imo.

However any discussion trying to prop up Alabama or Georgia over Miami as a better situation regarding the passing offense is losing steam with every passing season.

Colbie left an offense that got its 3rd option (him) at least 60 targets to go play in an archaic offense that puts the onus on you to simply be better than the guy across from you. Kirby hiring Searels then Bobo along with stiffer competition for recruits/talents (nil) puts their trajectory on the down slope.

Horton left the same offense & coaches to go to a program that just lost the goat & guy that really was their program & only reason for sustained success. The new guy you said you trust, understandably so, to get the best out of the talent on their team, just saw a decline in offensive production with, imo, a better receiver than any they had the year before.

I'm sure these guys weren't thinking about any of that & just thought Bama/Georgia & more $ & that's all they need to know.
However, the fact that both these guys were in this offense & saw gains then chose to leave is a bad decision on its own. Hopefully with another year of good offensive production, the perception of UM's offense will change to the point where players & especially WRs will value being in it.
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Good post, I'd read **** like this all day long if this whole site was as articulate as this.

I agree 100% with your UGA stuff. The Colbie decision was moronic as ****, no matter how you slice it. Money aside, of course. If it was 100.0% about the money, then sure, go get paid. But if you want to flourish in an offense, and the money is somewhat comparable, and you go to Mike Bobo, then you deserve all the **** that comes your way.

I disagree with the Bama part, though. Yes you're right with the GOAT stuff, but again, DeBoer has a track record that Mike Bobo and Kirby couldn't even sniff. I'm sure heading to Tuscaloosa and having a massive bag dangled over your head AND watching three NFL receivers at Washington influenced him plenty.

Also, the decline in offensive production stuff is a touch misleading. I agree Milroe was erratic as **** and Bama not making the playoffs, DeBoer is likely going to be castrated in that town sooner rather than later, but in 2024 Alabama averaged more yards per play than in 2023, and only slightly less points per game. Milroe's numbers did take a step back overall, though. So I won't argue, but it's not like they fell off a cliff by any means. The Alabama offense was still pretty good last year when compared to 2023, but to be fair both last year and 2023 were a far cry from their norm. I'm just saying you can't lump Bama and UGA together.

Great post though, at the end of the day what's done is done, Horton made his bed and needs to lie in it. And to be fair, I said the purely football decision IN JANUARY as a WR of Bama > Miami, I think is correct. But once you add Beck to the equation, I think if you could give Horton a do-over, he might reconsider. Again though, what's done is done. We move onward with the soldiers we have. I think the offense is going to be very, very good. Again.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good post, I'd read **** like this all day long if this whole site was as articulate as this.
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That part is why I choose not to engage too much on here with people who post emotional outbursts framed as "opinions."

Regarding the Deboer stuff I'm not disagreeing with any of it. My point was assumptions would be made off Bama name & Deboer history equating auto offensive success & I'm saying his 1st year says it may take some time to make his mark which you also intimated.

Meanwhile the combo of Dawson/Beard keeps putting out a good to great product & looks to continue. I hope to get to a point where it becomes too much for WRs pass up regardless of who comes calling outside the obvious $ issue.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good post, I'd read **** like this all day long if this whole site was as articulate as this.

I agree 100% with your UGA stuff. The Colbie decision was moronic as ****, no matter how you slice it. Money aside, of course. If it was 100.0% about the money, then sure, go get paid. But if you want to flourish in an offense, and the money is somewhat comparable, and you go to Mike Bobo, then you deserve all the **** that comes your way.

I disagree with the Bama part, though. Yes you're right with the GOAT stuff, but again, DeBoer has a track record that Mike Bobo and Kirby couldn't even sniff. I'm sure heading to Tuscaloosa and having a massive bag dangled over your head AND watching three NFL receivers at Washington influenced him plenty.

Also, the decline in offensive production stuff is a touch misleading. I agree Milroe was erratic as **** and Bama not making the playoffs, DeBoer is likely going to be castrated in that town sooner rather than later, but in 2024 Alabama averaged more yards per play than in 2023, and only slightly less points per game. Milroe's numbers did take a step back overall, though. So I won't argue, but it's not like they fell off a cliff by any means. The Alabama offense was still pretty good last year when compared to 2023, but to be fair both last year and 2023 were a far cry from their norm. I'm just saying you can't lump Bama and UGA together.

Great post though, at the end of the day what's done is done, Horton made his bed and needs to lie in it. And to be fair, I said the purely football decision IN JANUARY as a WR of Bama > Miami, I think is correct. But once you add Beck to the equation, I think if you could give Horton a do-over, he might reconsider. Again though, what's done is done. We move onward with the soldiers we have. I think the offense is going to be very, very good. Again.
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I think you both are underestimating perception. The SEC is always talked about in terms of difficulty and is viewed as the most competitive conference. No one talks about how tough the ACC is.
 
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