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Is Manny learning to win and coach? 5 Dubs out of last 6!

Much rather take a chance on a coach who has a decent resume at this level rather than No D Manny who's defense gets worse every year. Defensive recruiting has been a sh it show and will only get worse as long as he stays
 
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troyskiles said:
LCE, I agree, but if the options are 4th, 5th and 6th choice, do you not agree that we wait to get what we want or do we ******* settle again for a ****** choice? We have to patient and smart. Don't just take a coach to get shinny new thing if it doesn't make sense, right?
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IMO, If what we want is not someone we can go out and get right now, we aren’t getting what we want in another year regardless. Never say never I guess, but we are theoretically going to be at the strongest bargaining point for this hire than we have been since we hired Coker and could offer an all world roster. but it has to happen soon. The president apparently just said he values football, alumni and boosters are allegedly throwing in money and are riled up for change, we have allegedly gotten a bigger budget, and we are getting a more success focused AD. We aren’t going to be able to outspend the top tier schools next year, and our facilities are not going to be demonstrably improved in that time.

One more year of Manny can only hurt that perception as we flounder in our record and do long term damage with another poor recruiting class that gets sold a lame duck by other coaches while the coach salary scale continues to climb.

As has been mentioned, options 4,5,6 are much higher on the list than Manny who right now is like option 50, or worse now that he can’t lead a capable defense like we thought he could as a DC with NFL d linemen.
 
I really don’t get the thinking that if if our “dream coach” doesn’t want the job this year, why he’d want it more after another year of Manny’s stink is all over the program lol


Rip the bandaid off before he ruins TVD

Tom Herman is a **** good plan B. He has wins over major programs and actually wins his bowl games. His personality also fits our brand. We’re gonna pass on someone like Herman just to suck balls another year and probably hire someone of his caliber or worse next year
 
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Liberty City El said:
So no one?

What do you think happens if we keep Manny another year?
What will our record be & what ranking will our recruiting class be?

And who’s this coach that’s going to come up? Because whoever it is would be available this year too, so why do we need to wait until next year?

Who is this mystery coach that yall are certain will be a Championship coach but only will be available next year?
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Did you see what we did to Duke Manny figured it out man.
 
Liberty City El said:
So no one?

What do you think happens if we keep Manny another year?
What will our record be & what ranking will our recruiting class be?

And who’s this coach that’s going to come up? Because whoever it is would be available this year too, so why do we need to wait until next year?

Who is this mystery coach that yall are certain will be a Championship coach but only will be available next year?
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He doesn't even consider that in this imaginary scenario, there could also be big state schools with sudden openings who will make the major play and leave us with an even worse 4th choice. Keeping Manny when everyone knows he'd be a dead man walking is the worst option for this program.
 
305to954 said:
Bro This team wasn’t able to establish a run game vs Duke..this is a 7-5 team. I think if we polled the fan base prior to the szn and said you wouldn’t have Knighton for 4 games. king wouldn’t finish the month of September. Don would go down followed quickly by cam. Bubba bolden would be done by game 5. Smith who was our best LB in the spring game would miss games. 2 starters on the oline would be out early on..we would’ve questioned if this team would win 5 or 6…objectively speaking winning 7 games including 5 of the last 6..including 2 ranked opponents one of which a road trip..was a good job by this staff..I can say that and still say go get me a proven guy like a Mario. If a coach at another school did that I’d say it was a good coaching job. 2 things can be true at once.
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Brother I'm not trying to pick a fight, not my style. But you want two simultaneous truths?

1. We're 7-5 in spite of Manny's defense because Lashlee and the offensive staff had enough quality depth to replace King, Cam and Don, added key pieces (Rambo), played the young bucks over Wiggins and Pope, and adapted their playcalling to better suit the personnel available and caught lightning in a ******* bottle.

2. We're 7-5 because Manny's defense lead the nation in missed tackles at one point, cowered at the sight of Sam Howell and made Jordan Travis look like Tom Brady running a two-minute drill. We have a walk-on getting meaningful minutes because Manny can't recruit LB's to save his life and failed to address the position via the portal, and when guys like Chase Smith and TAC get limited burn late in the season they look like legitimate P5 starters. He's failed to recruit elite pass rushers necessary for his gimmicky scheme to generate pressure and turnovers, but refuses to adjust to the personnel he has available.

Those are your two truths.

If you honestly believe this teams ceiling was 7-5 even with a more competent defensive coordinator, let's agree to disagree.
 
Category69 said:
He tried, I'll give him that, on offense. But he's laid a complete **** on defense. He's recruited bad at DE and LB and once he lost Richt and Golden's bois his defense has looked like complete dog ****e, especially tackling. Firing a guy who was running your defense that looked like ****, and has looked like **** since 2019, only to continue doing the same thing instead of giving the keys to someone else to try something new is the definition of stubborn.
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Tackling has improved with the young blood out there, I admit he made a mistake making himself DC but I expect a rapid repair with a new DC and of course a new OC. I also think Patke is over his head with ST and LB and needs to go. We just limited Duke to 3 points defensively held Durant to his second lowest yards total. So improvement has happened.
 
Liberty City El said:
I keep mentioning Mario because he’s the crown jewel among you guys, so obviously in this scenario if you’re wanting to keep manny for another year it’s because you’re under the impression that we could still somehow lure Mario back next year too & I’m pointing out that if yall really want him back here holding onto to Manny for another year is not going to make that happen.

Of course you’ll pick option 2, you wouldn’t have even asked the question if that wasn’t what you were ultimately getting at to begin with lol.

Option 5,6,7etc are all better options than Manny, that’s what you guys asking these scenarios are not factoring in. Keeping Manny for another year means Miami has conceded that they’re not actually in the running for any legitimate coach to come here & would rather stick with ineptitude than hire someone more capable.

Let me simplify it:
- Tom Herman >>> Manny
- Kyle Whittingham >>> Manny
- Tyson Helton >>> Manny
- Jeff Traylor >>> Manny
- Blake Anderson >>> Manny
- Josh Heupel >>> Manny
- Eric Morris >>> Manny
- Gus Malzahn >>> Manny
- Dana Holgorsen >>> Manny

There’s even several coordinators I’d take over Manny, point being, the idea that we have to choose between either the top 3 or just Manny is only something that Manny supporters are floating out there, keeping Manny is not a good option for Miami, it’s actually the worst.

USC’s situation is not the same as ours, because their program is far more attractive than ours to big name coaches, going another year with Manny isn’t going to make them decide that Miami is now suddenly a viable option, it’s going to make them want to distance themselves even further from coming here.

Miami doesn’t even have an AD that you can make a parallel to USC’s situation to, and when we do finally get an AD there’s no guarantee that he won’t just be a puppet for our BOT’s chicanery to begin with.

And who is this Alpha Superstar coach that will come available next year that we should keep Manny for another year for anyway??? I answered your question, so answer me that please, who’s the guy worth keeping Manny for?
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So LCE, you would rather hire Dana Holgorsen for 5 years, say 20mil, versus keep Manny one more year and let the AD do his thing?
 
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cway313 said:
Did you see what we did to Duke Manny figured it out man.
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In fact, what a great reason for Duke to hire Manny for their new vacancy! I think im joining Duke's Football board tonight. Got any more slip n slide pics?
 
Liberty City El said:
So no one?

What do you think happens if we keep Manny another year?
What will our record be & what ranking will our recruiting class be?

And who’s this coach that’s going to come up? Because whoever it is would be available this year too, so why do we need to wait until next year?

Who is this mystery coach that yall are certain will be a Championship coach but only will be available next year?
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Would not be a mystery if we told you! :cool:
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
You don't get the question.

Manny is unqualified to be HBC here. We agree on that. I promise. The question is, what's worse? ONE more year of Manny and a great hire next year that you feel can actually guide the program to the 'ship, or a guy who is "better than Manny" (not saying much) and isn't the answer, and you make a $30M commitment and basically are going to have to give him three years to see if he can get it done. I think making a bad hire here is the riskiest option.

Better than Manny is not the goal here.
Better than Manny is not the question.

Dear god, that's a low bar. The goal is to win the national championship. The next hire is everything.
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Cryptical, are the only motherfvckers that get this scenario or what?
 
Liberty City El said:
I keep mentioning Mario because he’s the crown jewel among you guys, so obviously in this scenario if you’re wanting to keep manny for another year it’s because you’re under the impression that we could still somehow lure Mario back next year too & I’m pointing out that if yall really want him back here holding onto to Manny for another year is not going to make that happen.

Of course you’ll pick option 2, you wouldn’t have even asked the question if that wasn’t what you were ultimately getting at to begin with lol.

Option 5,6,7etc are all better options than Manny, that’s what you guys asking these scenarios are not factoring in. Keeping Manny for another year means Miami has conceded that they’re not actually in the running for any legitimate coach to come here & would rather stick with ineptitude than hire someone more capable.

Let me simplify it:
- Tom Herman >>> Manny
- Kyle Whittingham >>> Manny
- Tyson Helton >>> Manny
- Jeff Traylor >>> Manny
- Blake Anderson >>> Manny
- Josh Heupel >>> Manny
- Eric Morris >>> Manny
- Gus Malzahn >>> Manny
- Dana Holgorsen >>> Manny

There’s even several coordinators I’d take over Manny, point being, the idea that we have to choose between either the top 3 or just Manny is only something that Manny supporters are floating out there, keeping Manny is not a good option for Miami, it’s actually the worst.

USC’s situation is not the same as ours, because their program is far more attractive than ours to big name coaches, going another year with Manny isn’t going to make them decide that Miami is now suddenly a viable option, it’s going to make them want to distance themselves even further from coming here.

Miami doesn’t even have an AD that you can make a parallel to USC’s situation to, and when we do finally get an AD there’s no guarantee that he won’t just be a puppet for our BOT’s chicanery to begin with.

And who is this Alpha Superstar coach that will come available next year that we should keep Manny for another year for anyway??? I answered your question, so answer me that please, who’s the guy worth keeping Manny for?
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And the majority of those guys you listed would not command a 5 year $30 million commitment to get here. At most they would command something similar to Manny. And this is after we would “strike out” on a list that consisted of:

1. Mario
2. Lane
3. Aranda
4. Stoops
5. Freeze
6. Clawson
7. Chadwell
8. O’Brien
 
troyskiles said:
Not bad other than the ******* FSU loss.
If we do not land any of our top 3 coaches, we will bring Manny back another year and shoot our load in 2022. Fvck me.
I thought Manny was 100% gone, but we cannot settle for our 4th choice at head coach and waste that money.
I think it makes it a necessity with Rhett leaving, who will come here knowing Manny will be on hot seat next year.
I just pray the BOT make good, solid decisions and we are mostly satisfied with what they choose to do. Pray with me, please.
Thoughts on the realistic option of Manny coming back if we can't land one of our top three choices?

Do you settle for our 4th choice at HC or do you keep Manny 1 more year and roll the dice next year?
Players seem to love Manny!

Peace out!
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Top 4? The only coach these morons are interested in is Mario. He says no and they will keep Manny. I bet they wouldnt even interview lane
 
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troyskiles said:
They will come up, like they did this year, it happens every year. Haste makes waste. We have have to get this **** right this time and not settle for anything other than what we want and need. If we can't get Mario, Lane or Stoops, I think we we wait and shoot the wad next year. It is better than settling for another ****bag that we hate in 2-3 years. Man, I respect the **** out you LCE, but we cannot just go at this as we need to hire someone new just to hire someone new. We have to figure out who we want and go after them and if they will not come, wait and get the next guy we want. This next hire is going to determine out 10 year plan, no need to rush it.
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Lane is available right now and wants the job. Why would we wait till next year to get him?
 
Liberty City El said:
What is it that we want that we would wait for?

Who’s the coach that we’re waiting for next year?
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I don't know, LCE. I know I do not want to settle for 4th,5th or 6rth best again. I just want us to get it right and not settle for what we can get. That's all.
I know you are with me, but I will wait one year to get it right for long term. I am a patient man.
 
jkdood said:
If you aren't convinced by now that choice 4 or 5 or 6 will still be miles better than Manny, not to mention the problems with recruits and assistants with a lameduck coach, then you will never get it. But nice try, I admire your braveness.
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Ok, big boy, what is your ideal scenario? Let's hear your plan if Mario, Lane and Stoops say no thank you.
 
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