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Is Manny learning to win and coach? 5 Dubs out of last 6!

troyskiles said:
Thanks for the opinion! What if Manny gets out of his own way and we bring in 2M OC and DC. Can it work, if Manny lets go of control of the D?
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In theory, if "Human A" were named HC of UM and the school spent wads of cash on stud coordinators, assistant, analysts, support staff, S&C, nutrition, etc. and Human A was politically adept and stood out of the way of the stud coordinators, that person would win at least 10 games a year in the Coastal.

But, we're not talking about "Human A," we're talking about a narcissist who thought he was the answer at DC and HC. He blocked Zo coming here to really help our football program. Look, I don't need to paint a negative picture of Manny after so many on this board have done a far better job than I ever could.

To answer your question, I don't think Manny, at least at this point in his development as a person, is able to truly seek out and take critiques and then implement change from a place of "There's no ego in this, I just want to make the best decisions for the team."

He has to be forced to play the better players, he can't just see that they're better and make the right evals, and so on.

If I Truly thought Manny had the kind of self-confidence that would welcome a Zo as head of football, because having a guy like that is going to make him and the team better, I would pinch my nose and say, "***** it!! Spend a fortune and let's see what he can do with stud everything around him."

But, that's not his character to this point, or at least I haven't seen it. So, even with more resources, I still don't think he has the wherewithal to be a success here. If **** freezes over, and Frenk has an aneurysm and forgets that they fired Blake because of Manny, and they allow him to come back, I guess we might see this pretend scenario play out like the "What If" cartoons on Disney +. But, I just don't see it happening.
 
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We’ve beaten crappy teams for gods sake. Pitt and NC State are Ok teams at best. The rest are trash, and don’t forget we lost to trash (fsu), who are total garbage. Duke is real crap and we did what we were supposed to do against them, so that was satisfactory. Manny is not D1 coach. When he’s fired he won’t land anywhere else D1. He sucks and everyone else know it but for a few
 
filmcane said:
In theory, if "Human A" were named HC of UM and the school spent wads of cash on stud coordinators, assistant, analysts, support staff, S&C, nutrition, etc. and Human A was politically adept and stood out of the way of the stud coordinators, that person would win at least 10 games a year in the Coastal.

But, we're not talking about "Human A," we're talking about a narcissist who thought he was the answer at DC and HC. He blocked Zo coming here to really help our football program. Look, I don't need to paint a negative picture of Manny after so many on this board have done a far better job than I ever could.

To answer your question, I don't think Manny, at least at this point in his development as a person, is able to truly seek out and take critiques and then implement change from a place of "There's no ego in this, I just want to make the best decisions for the team."

He has to be forced to play the better players, he can't just see that they're better and make the right evals, and so on.

If I Truly thought Manny had the kind of self-confidence that would welcome a Zo as head of football, because having a guy like that is going to make him and the team better, I would pinch my nose and say, "***** it!! Spend a fortune and let's see what he can do with stud everything around him."

But, that's not his character to this point, or at least I haven't seen it. So, even with more resources, I still don't think he has the wherewithal to be a success here. If **** freezes over, and Frenk has an aneurysm and forgets that they fired Blake because of Manny, and they allow him to come back, I guess we might see this pretend scenario play out like the "What If" cartoons on Disney +. But, I just don't see it happening.
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filmcane said:
In theory, if "Human A" were named HC of UM and the school spent wads of cash on stud coordinators, assistant, analysts, support staff, S&C, nutrition, etc. and Human A was politically adept and stood out of the way of the stud coordinators, that person would win at least 10 games a year in the Coastal.

But, we're not talking about "Human A," we're talking about a narcissist who thought he was the answer at DC and HC. He blocked Zo coming here to really help our football program. Look, I don't need to paint a negative picture of Manny after so many on this board have done a far better job than I ever could.

To answer your question, I don't think Manny, at least at this point in his development as a person, is able to truly seek out and take critiques and then implement change from a place of "There's no ego in this, I just want to make the best decisions for the team."

He has to be forced to play the better players, he can't just see that they're better and make the right evals, and so on.

If I Truly thought Manny had the kind of self-confidence that would welcome a Zo as head of football, because having a guy like that is going to make him and the team better, I would pinch my nose and say, "***** it!! Spend a fortune and let's see what he can do with stud everything around him."

But, that's not his character to this point, or at least I haven't seen it. So, even with more resources, I still don't think he has the wherewithal to be a success here. If **** freezes over, and Frenk has an aneurysm and forgets that they fired Blake because of Manny, and they allow him to come back, I guess we might see this pretend scenario play out like the "What If" cartoons on Disney +. But, I just don't see it happening.
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Much respect, but what if he learns that CEO roll and to step away and let a DC run the show. It is all part of learning to be a coach. He has to lose that ego that his D is better than anyone's, but he can do it.
 
troyskiles said:
Much respect, but what if he learns that CEO roll and to step away and let a DC run the show. It is all part of learning to be a coach. He has to lose that ego that his D is better than anyone's, but he can do it.
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Why not just get a successful HS coach in Dade county to be our HC if it's only about stacking stud OC/DC around our HC? Manny has failed, so what's the difference?

He had his chance and the stakes are too high to stick with him after 3 years of this. He had 3 years in arguably the weakest division in the P5 and he failed and this season, a lot of the smoke and mirrors were removed and we got to see what he's really like and what's really going on.

It's a pity because Blake, by offering him his dream job too early, might have doomed him. Going to Temple was the best thing for him. Oh well...at least he's a multi-millionaire after failing for 3 years. As a coach, he's a failure, but as a husband, dad and provider, he's done very well.
 
SFbayCane said:
@troyskiles - Here's my question for you: If UM parts ways with Manny, where do you think he ends up next? Some options to choose from:

* Do you see any other power 5 program hiring him as their head coach in the next year or two?
* Do you see him going to a group of five program as a head coach?
* Do you see him taking a power 5 Defensive coordinator job?
* Do you see him taking a group of five defensive coordinator job?
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CMD will be HC @ FIU next year, book it!
 
Baba Yaga said:
Brother I'm not trying to pick a fight, not my style. But you want two simultaneous truths?

1. We're 7-5 in spite of Manny's defense because Lashlee and the offensive staff had enough quality depth to replace King, Cam and Don, added key pieces (Rambo), played the young bucks over Wiggins and Pope, and adapted their playcalling to better suit the personnel available and caught lightning in a ******* bottle.

2. We're 7-5 because Manny's defense lead the nation in missed tackles at one point, cowered at the sight of Sam Howell and made Jordan Travis look like Tom Brady running a two-minute drill. We have a walk-on getting meaningful minutes because Manny can't recruit LB's to save his life and failed to address the position via the portal, and when guys like Chase Smith and TAC get limited burn late in the season they look like legitimate P5 starters. He's failed to recruit elite pass rushers necessary for his gimmicky scheme to generate pressure and turnovers, but refuses to adjust to the personnel he has available.

Those are your two truths.

If you honestly believe this teams ceiling was 7-5 even with a more competent defensive coordinator, let's agree to disagree.
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That’s why recruiting should be the priority. We’ve missed on so many targets on Defense over the years. It’s why a guy like Trob was hired and a DVD was promoted along with Twill who left..for me we have to get this hire right above everything else
 
305to954 said:
That’s why recruiting should be the priority. We’ve missed on so many targets on Defense over the years. It’s why a guy like Trob was hired and a DVD was promoted along with Twill who left..for me we have to get this hire right above everything else
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Agreed.
 
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troyskiles said:
Hey big boy, what do you do if Mario, Lane and Stoops say no? Who is your hire? Let's hear it. Or do wait a year and test the waters in 2022 and see who is available? Do you take Herman and be happy?
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It's sad you think those are the only 3 options.
 
troyskiles said:
I am not pulling for Manny, just seeing what other think on a realistic scenario.
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I see. I just reject the premise that Manny is learning how to win and will build off of this. We had awful season in 2019 and won a bunch of tight games just like this in 2020. Then, with a ton of returning experience the 2021 season was over before Halloween. Additionally, most of the wins these past two years feel like bailouts from QB play and coming despite our coaching.

I don't think Manny has it or that he can put it together for a whole season here, and if he's back next season I really don't know if you could have any worse scenario for the program. With a HC who's hiring AD was fired and who at least a plurality of people at the school have little faith in, neither recruits nor assistants or coordinators are going to come to a program wobbling in precarity like that.

If Manny is retained: Nightmare scenario as it guarantees a long, slow death. If money is not an option, then there's no reason not to land a homerun hire this year.
 
troyskiles said:
Thanks for the opinion! What if Manny gets out of his own way and we bring in 2M OC and DC. Can it work, if Manny lets go of control of the D?
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Respectfully, this sounds more like a long term plan to keep Manny than just “another year to give the AD time to land one of our top 3 choices”. But even so, who are these proven respected P5 coordinators that a lame duck Manny is going to lure away from their current situation for a possible few hundred dollar pay raise knowing they may have it for only a year? Even if he does, their agents are likely to ask for longer contracts than normal to get them to risk moving.
 
troyskiles said:
Let's hear your plan if Mario, Lane and Stoops say no thank you.
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This is fine for debate but, just because there are no great answers to your question does not mean anything. No one would fire anyone out of fear of not getting someone better. If any of those candidates say 'no thank you' it is going to be because they are not offered enough money, which can only be attributed to administrative failure, not a bad gamble. If Manny is let go, the University is still in complete control if they choose to be. Luck will have nothing to do with it if they fail. And this is why I don't trust them and I think they'd rather have luck to hide behind when they inevitably ***** this up.
 
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Lost to FIU
Shutout by UL Lafayette
Multiple 4th and longs given up to lose games
Giving up 600 rushing yards to UNC
Lost to an atroicious FSU team
Hasn't been able to win arguably the worst division in Power 5
Historically poor tackling team
He's coached the defense for 6 years and it has done nothing to show improvement
Constantly looking unprepared and shellshocked at the beginning of games
Mack Brown is his daddy
 
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Lol; OP acting like we didn’t win 8 of 9 games to start The 2020 season b4 UNC set a new standard of prison rape on us. Lol.

Learning how to win my ***!
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Honest question:

1- get our 5th or 6th realistic choice and commit $30M and a 5 year deal to them...

or

2- pass and bring back Manny, JUST LIKE THE NEW USC AD DID BTW... show CFB we're truly committing the resources we're talking about over the next year, and bag an alpha a year from now.

Seriously asking.
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#1

#2 shouldn’t even be a question. UM has the world at their feet with this opportunity to make it right and it trending in a bad way. Yet TBD if that’s really where it’s going but to think these guys would rid of Manny next year and pull in a Lincoln Riley type, because that is what the AD & Admin just did is foolish.

How much positive pub is USC getting right now? They are about to go on a run.

We could turn it around here and go on a run with a lot of positive pub. But it might all just be a dream.

Give me option 1. At least it might still be a possibility as small as it is.
 
gatorsSUCK! said:
We’ve beaten crappy teams for gods sake. Pitt and NC State are Ok teams at best. The rest are trash, and don’t forget we lost to trash (fsu), who are total garbage. Duke is real crap and we did what we were supposed to do against them, so that was satisfactory. Manny is not D1 coach. When he’s fired he won’t land anywhere else D1. He sucks and everyone else know it but for a few
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lost to trash unc and virginia as well...both of those teams are fuqqin HORRIBLE...

i don't understand the mentality that manny will all of a sudden start winning those games against vastly inferior opponents next season. IT. WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.

fire this bozo already, ****.
 
Rellyrell said:
Lol; OP acting like we didn’t win 8 of 9 games to start The 2020 season b4 UNC set a new standard of prison rape on us. Lol.

Learning how to win my ***!
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Exactly. People don’t realize that UNC scored on EVERY possession. 2nd time in his career he gave up over 500+ rushing yards. AM will make it the 3rd time if he’s around.

This is clay Helton all over again. We’re gonna waste a year just because Manny deserves another chance.
 
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