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Is Manny learning to win and coach? 5 Dubs out of last 6!

Baba Yaga said:
There are too many red flags with Manny for me, which have been discussed ad nauseum so I'll spare you. If the university decided to fire him and pay a potato $4M to coach next year, I'd at least be optimistic that his defense is no longer around to get bent over every time we need a 4th and ump-teen stop to win a game.

This team was never going to make a CFP run, but it was capable of much better than 7-5.

Agreed the problems run deeper than Manny and I'm cautiously optimistic some of them will finally get addressed, but Manny is a symptom of the larger problems and he needs to go.
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Bro This team wasn’t able to establish a run game vs Duke..this is a 7-5 team. I think if we polled the fan base prior to the szn and said you wouldn’t have Knighton for 4 games. king wouldn’t finish the month of September. Don would go down followed quickly by cam. Bubba bolden would be done by game 5. Smith who was our best LB in the spring game would miss games. 2 starters on the oline would be out early on..we would’ve questioned if this team would win 5 or 6…objectively speaking winning 7 games including 5 of the last 6..including 2 ranked opponents one of which a road trip..was a good job by this staff..I can say that and still say go get me a proven guy like a Mario. If a coach at another school did that I’d say it was a good coaching job. 2 things can be true at once.
 
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DepressedIbis said:
Comparing us to USC is comparing a mom and pop diner to a Fortune 500 company. Some people won’t like that but that’s the reality. The same tier of coach we can get this time (assuming Mario says no), will be the tier we are capable of getting next season, maybe. Another year of Diaz and the toxicity surrounding his program might just drop us even further in the grand scheme of things. But realistically, if Christobal says no we could end up with a guy like Tom Herman. And if we wait a year, that’s the exact type of coach we’ll still end up with. Why wait and let the cancer spread?
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I literally wrote the same thing re: us and USC. So, yup!

But I disagree with what would happen over the year. Yes, Manny would be a dead man walking. So what?

A year of a strong AD working CFB, a few major capital projects announced, a massive increase to recruiting budget and more. Things that show CFB that this isn't lip service. That we are f'ing serious and this is a JOB now, where you will have all the tools you need to win. It's one thing to say it, it's another to put things in motion.

All this said, I think Manny is gone. Wednesday I hope. Let me just say that. Again. It's just an interesting question to me.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I know all this. But you keep trying to explain your answer with Mario Mario Mario. In this scenario, out first few choices have passed. Mario is off the table. He said no in this. As did Lane. As did Stoops. We're at like option #5 or 6. I don't even know who that is right now.

It's funny, quite a few guys here are adamant about #1. I think its a tough decision. I'd probably go #2 because I play the long game. The amount of destruction making a bad hire this round would reap would be astronomical. I am amazed no one is considering that.

I think I'd rather eat **** for a year in order to get the right guy, with a top AD in place, a chance to prove we are serious about resources, and year to work on it, and get this turnaround started a year later, rather than risk sending us into the abyss for 3+ years.

Which btw is EXACTLY what the "real" AD at USC just did. The fanbase and everyone else wanted Helton gone last year. Fire and brimstone. He wasn't bothered by message board fans and trusted his own judgment, as he should.
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I keep mentioning Mario because he’s the crown jewel among you guys, so obviously in this scenario if you’re wanting to keep manny for another year it’s because you’re under the impression that we could still somehow lure Mario back next year too & I’m pointing out that if yall really want him back here holding onto to Manny for another year is not going to make that happen.

Of course you’ll pick option 2, you wouldn’t have even asked the question if that wasn’t what you were ultimately getting at to begin with lol.

Option 5,6,7etc are all better options than Manny, that’s what you guys asking these scenarios are not factoring in. Keeping Manny for another year means Miami has conceded that they’re not actually in the running for any legitimate coach to come here & would rather stick with ineptitude than hire someone more capable.

Let me simplify it:
- Tom Herman >>> Manny
- Kyle Whittingham >>> Manny
- Tyson Helton >>> Manny
- Jeff Traylor >>> Manny
- Blake Anderson >>> Manny
- Josh Heupel >>> Manny
- Eric Morris >>> Manny
- Gus Malzahn >>> Manny
- Dana Holgorsen >>> Manny

There’s even several coordinators I’d take over Manny, point being, the idea that we have to choose between either the top 3 or just Manny is only something that Manny supporters are floating out there, keeping Manny is not a good option for Miami, it’s actually the worst.

USC’s situation is not the same as ours, because their program is far more attractive than ours to big name coaches, going another year with Manny isn’t going to make them decide that Miami is now suddenly a viable option, it’s going to make them want to distance themselves even further from coming here.

Miami doesn’t even have an AD that you can make a parallel to USC’s situation to, and when we do finally get an AD there’s no guarantee that he won’t just be a puppet for our BOT’s chicanery to begin with.

And who is this Alpha Superstar coach that will come available next year that we should keep Manny for another year for anyway??? I answered your question, so answer me that please, who’s the guy worth keeping Manny for?
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
I literally wrote the same thing re: us and USC. So, yup!

But I disagree with what would happen over the year. Yes, Manny would be a dead man walking. So what?

A year of a strong AD working CFB, a few major capital projects announced, a massive increase to recruiting budget and more. Things that show CFB that this isn't lip service. That we are f'ing serious and this is a JOB now, where you will have all the tools you need to win. It's one thing to say it, it's another to put things in motion.

All this said, I think Manny is gone. Wednesday I hope. Let me just say that. Again. It's just an interesting question to me.
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Like I said, they can say they’re gonna put all this new money into the program all they want. Until I see evidence of this happening, I will operate under the assumption that it’s business as usual at The U. Saying and actually spending are two different things.
 
Liberty City El said:
I keep mentioning Mario because he’s the crown jewel among you guys, so obviously in this scenario if you”re wanting to keep manny for another year it’s because you’re under the impression that you could still somehow lure Mario back next year too & I’m pointing out that if yall really want him back here holding onto to Manny for another year is not going to make that happen.

Of course you’ll pick option 2, you wouldn’t have even asked the question if that wasn’t what your ultimate goal was to begin with lol.

Option 5,6,7etc are all better options than Manny, that’s what you & any others asking these scenarios are not factoring in. Keeping Manny for another year means Miami has conceded that they’re not actually in the running for any legitimate coach to come here 7 would rather stick with ineptitude than hire someone more capable.

Let me simplify it:
- Tom Herman >>> Manny
- Kyle Whittingham >>> Manny
- Tyson Helton >>> Manny
- Jeff Traylor >>> Manny
- Blake Anderson >>> Manny
- Josh Heupel >>> Manny
- Eric Morris >>> Manny
- Gus Malzahn >>> Manny
- Dana Holgorsen >>> Manny

There’s even several coordinators I’d take over Manny, point being, the idea that we have to choose between either the top 3 or just Manny is only something that Manny supporters are floating out there, keeping Manny is not a good option for Miami, it’s actually the worst.

USC’s situation is not the same as ours, because their program is far more attractive than ours to big name coaches, going another year with Manny isn’t going to make them decide that Miami is now suddenly a viable option, it’s going to make them want to distance themselves even further from coming here.

Miami doesn’t even have an AD that you can make a parallel to USC’s situation to, and when we do finally get an AD there’s no guarantee that he won’t just be a puppet for our BOT’s chicanery to begin with.

And who is this Alpha Superstar coach that will come available next year that we should keep Manny for another year for anyway??? I answered your question, so answer me that please, who’s the guy worth keeping Manny for?
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You don't get the question.

Manny is unqualified to be HBC here. We agree on that. I promise. The question is, what's worse? ONE more year of Manny and a great hire next year that you feel can actually guide the program to the 'ship, or a guy who is "better than Manny" (not saying much) and isn't the answer, and you make a $30M commitment and basically are going to have to give him three years to see if he can get it done. I think making a bad hire here is the riskiest option.

Better than Manny is not the goal here.
Better than Manny is not the question.

Dear god, that's a low bar. The goal is to win the national championship. The next hire is everything.
 
I’d honestly be content with just being fun to watch and winning a bowl game at least every other year. My expectations aren’t even that high and they still let me down 🤣
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
You don't get the question.

Manny is unqualified to be HBC here. We agree on that. I promise. The question is, what's worse? ONE more year of Manny and a great hire next year that you feel can actually guide the program to the 'ship, or a guy who is "better than Manny" (not saying much) and isn't the answer, and you make a $30M commitment and basically are going to have to give him three years to see if he can get it done. I think making a bad hire here is the riskiest option.

Better than Manny is not the goal here.
Better than Manny is not the question.

Dear god, that's a low bar. The goal is to win the national championship. The next hire is everything.
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I get the question 1,000%.

The answer to the question is GET RID OF MANNY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

There is no scenario where keeping Manny is a good thing, by presenting the idea that if we keep Manny another season & then fire him next year that will all of the sudden stumble across some great HC who’s chomping at the bit to come here just isn’t realistic & is foolhardy at best.

It’s not an either or scenario, the next coach making us a winning team & competing for coastal is an improvement over Manny, therefore whoever TF that is should be a good hire, even if he doesn’t win a Championship.

If you’re saying you only want a coach that’s going to win a championship, then the only options are all coaches who are already secured at other major programs who wouldn’t even be interested in coming here, like Saban, Dabo, etc..

There’s no guarantee that a championship level coach will be available next year either, so even in your scenario keeping Manny another year doesn’t do anything but drive the program further into the grave.

Making a bad hire is the riskiest option, but guess what, WE ALREADY DID THAT WITH MANNY DIAZ LOL. The premise of the question is assuming that Manny isn’t worse than making a new hire & that’s not the case, keeping Manny is the most risky & the absolute worst option in all scenarios, all of them within reason.

But, if you can tell me who is the Coach that we’ll get next year that will guarantee we get a Championship by keeping Manny another year, then I’ll agree with you... Give me a name & I’ll be on board.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I keep mentioning Mario because he’s the crown jewel among you guys, so obviously in this scenario if you’re wanting to keep manny for another year it’s because you’re under the impression that we could still somehow lure Mario back next year too & I’m pointing out that if yall really want him back here holding onto to Manny for another year is not going to make that happen.

Of course you’ll pick option 2, you wouldn’t have even asked the question if that wasn’t what you were ultimately getting at to begin with lol.

Option 5,6,7etc are all better options than Manny, that’s what you guys asking these scenarios are not factoring in. Keeping Manny for another year means Miami has conceded that they’re not actually in the running for any legitimate coach to come here & would rather stick with ineptitude than hire someone more capable.

Let me simplify it:
- Tom Herman >>> Manny
- Kyle Whittingham >>> Manny
- Tyson Helton >>> Manny
- Jeff Traylor >>> Manny
- Blake Anderson >>> Manny
- Josh Heupel >>> Manny
- Eric Morris >>> Manny
- Gus Malzahn >>> Manny
- Dana Holgorsen >>> Manny

There’s even several coordinators I’d take over Manny, point being, the idea that we have to choose between either the top 3 or just Manny is only something that Manny supporters are floating out there, keeping Manny is not a good option for Miami, it’s actually the worst.

USC’s situation is not the same as ours, because their program is far more attractive than ours to big name coaches, going another year with Manny isn’t going to make them decide that Miami is now suddenly a viable option, it’s going to make them want to distance themselves even further from coming here.

Miami doesn’t even have an AD that you can make a parallel to USC’s situation to, and when we do finally get an AD there’s no guarantee that he won’t just be a puppet for our BOT’s chicanery to begin with.

And who is this Alpha Superstar coach that will come available next year that we should keep Manny for another year for anyway??? I answered your question, so answer me that please, who’s the guy worth keeping Manny for?
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Speaking of USC, there’s no way in **** Riley leaves OU to come to Miami. That speaks volumes about the difference between us and them.
 
Category69 said:
Like Golden he's too stubborn to change the one thing holding him back, his defense, doesn't matter if he's still learning, he's had his chance and lost it.
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Why do you say that he is stubborn, he fired Blake and promoted himself and it turned out just like the hire of Enos so he still has time to correct that by hiring a legitimate DC and I'd bet OC's are drooling over TVD and our offense talent. Young WR's, depth at RB when they are all healthy, Mallory returning with some studs at TE. If anything Manny is NOT stubborn he fixes what is broken and without hesitation. Hedley and Borregales are examples plus the incredible portal players he grabbed. We are in great shape when we portal some LB's in.
 
fraggle said:
Why do you say that he is stubborn, he fired Blake and promoted himself and it turned out just like the hire of Enos so he still has time to correct that by hiring a legitimate DC and I'd bet OC's are drooling over TVD and out offense talent. Young WR's, depth at RB when they are all healthy, Mallory returning with some studs at TE. If anything Manny is NOT stubborn he fixes what is broken and without hesitation. Hedley and Borregales are examples plus the incredible portal players he grabbed. We are in great shape when we portal some LB's in.
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He tried, I'll give him that, on offense. But he's laid a complete **** on defense. He's recruited bad at DE and LB and once he lost Richt and Golden's bois his defense has looked like complete dog ****e, especially tackling. Firing a guy who was running your defense that looked like ****, and has looked like **** since 2019, only to continue doing the same thing instead of giving the keys to someone else to try something new is the definition of stubborn.
 
Liberty City El said:
I get the question 1,000%.

The answer to the question is GET RID OF MANNY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

There is no scenario where keeping Manny is a good thing, by presenting the idea that if we keep Manny another season & then fire him next year that will all of the sudden stumble across some great HC who’s chomping at the bit to come here just isn’t realistic & is foolhardy at best.

It’s not an either or scenario, the next coach making us a winning team & competing for coastal is an improvement over Manny, therefore whoever TF that is should be a good hire, even if he doesn’t win a Championship.

If you’re saying you only want a coach that’s going to win a championship, then the only options are all coaches who are already secured at other major programs who wouldn’t even be interested in coming here, like Saban, Dabo, etc..

There’s no guarantee that a championship level coach will be available next year either, so even in your scenario keeping Manny another year doesn’t do anything but drive the program further into the grave.

Making a bad hire is the riskiest option, but guess what, WE ALREADY DID THAT WITH MANNY DIAZ LOL. The premise of the question is assuming that Manny isn’t worse than making a new hire & that’s not the case, keeping Manny is the most risky & the absolute worst option in all scenarios, all of them within reason.

But, if you can tell me who is the Coach that we’ll get next year that will guarantee we get a Championship by keeping Manny another year, then I’ll agree with you... Give me a name & I’ll be on board.
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I feel you. I just think the most important thing is nailing this hire and you think the most important thing is getting rid of Manny, stat. We have the same objective.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I feel you. I just think the most important thing is nailing this hire and you think the most important thing is getting rid of Manny, stat. We have the same objective.
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Getting rid of Manny is essentially nailing the next hire IMO, to me they’re one in the same.

Obviously, I’m not advocating for doing something ridiculous like getting rid of Manny & rehiring Al Folden or something lol. I’m just saying that, while yes if we don’t get our top 3 targets it would be a disappointment, but even if we have to dive into our second tier of HC candidates, literally all of them are better than Manny.

Even if they have a 3 year ceiling of just winning 10 games once, I’ll take that over another year of Manny.

If we have to start the process all over again in 3 years, I’m good with that, I don’t need a lifer in this next coach, I just need someone who can right the ship & get us back to respectability. And I’m not even saying that’s what I want or am rooting for, just that even in that worst case scenario I’m taking that all day everyday over keeping Manny any longer than he needs to be kept.
 
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troyskiles said:
Not bad other than the ******* FSU loss.
If we do not land any of our top 3 coaches, we will bring Manny back another year and shoot our load in 2022. Fvck me.
I thought Manny was 100% gone, but we cannot settle for our 4th choice at head coach and waste that money.
I think it makes it a necessity with Rhett leaving, who will come here knowing Manny will be on hot seat next year.
I just pray the BOT make good, solid decisions and we are mostly satisfied with what they choose to do. Pray with me, please.
Thoughts on the realistic option of Manny coming back if we can't land one of our top three choices?

Do you settle for our 4th choice at HC or do you keep Manny 1 more year and roll the dice next year?
Players seem to love Manny!

Peace out!
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No
 
Perhaps unrealistic, but I am very very hopeful Mario has already agreed (and really is a done deal in the good sense) and we are just being cheap by waiting till Wednesday to let Manny go (and have 2$Million more for assistants).
 
The team consistently makes the same mistakes over and over this is a stupid football team. No he isn’t getting better they’re just winning in spite of awful coaching.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Honest question:

1- get our 5th or 6th realistic choice and commit $30M and a 5 year deal to them...

or

2- pass and bring back Manny, JUST LIKE THE NEW USC AD DID BTW... show CFB we're truly committing the resources we're talking about over the next year, and bag an alpha a year from now.

Seriously asking.
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I still say get rid of him now. Herman, Bill o Brien, etc. are all superior to lil lispy. Plus you ruin two recruiting classes vs. just one if he stays. He's trash. Do it now!
 
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