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Coaching Is Manny Diaz the next Dabo Swinney?

I am willing to listen to the argument, I think it’s ridiculous if we don’t. But looking solely at the win-loss tecord doesn’t tell the whole story.

Defence: he advocates, promotes, coordinates and “teaches” a defensive system that has been called gimmicky and unsound. The tape supports that, unless he has killers on the d line and at safety.

Development: this is his biggest flaw. Very few players have developed, despite their ranking.and our best players have been transfers.

Culture: the boats and rings and being “all Miami” has run its course. Players don’t fully trust him, or believe in him and that is the biggest indictment there is.

Say what you will about Clemson but Dabo did more with less initially, he did eventually develop a winning culture, and they obviously made the right decision to keep him.

One of the hardest things to do for any club in any sport is determine, does this coach have it or not? Will more time get better results? Some throughout history have been given the hook too early, some have been retained too long. He needs to get results and fast. Because Manny is struggling with the “other stuff”.
 
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PoppaTop said:
Ehhh... This really wasn't always the case. Programs don't build themselves overnight.

Clemson's recruiting rankings in Dabo's first years:
2009 - 36
2010 - 27
2011 - 10
2012 - 20

For what it's worth, Miami out-recruited Clemson 3 of those 4 years.

Manny's classes so far:
2019 - 27
2020 - 17
2021 - 11

Not defending Manny, but Dabo would have been run out of town with his early record & recruiting rankings if he was at Miami.
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Further proof Manny has underwhelmed.
 
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PoppaTop said:
Ehhh... This really wasn't always the case. Programs don't build themselves overnight.

Clemson's recruiting rankings in Dabo's first years:
2009 - 36
2010 - 27
2011 - 10
2012 - 20

For what it's worth, Miami out-recruited Clemson 3 of those 4 years.

Manny's classes so far:
2019 - 27
2020 - 17
2021 - 11

Not defending Manny, but Dabo would have been run out of town with his early record & recruiting rankings if he was at Miami.
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He would’ve been ran out..declaring he will be the next Dabo is crazy tho..I know that’s been manny’s blueprint but u can’t just say that now
 
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GeauxIbis said:

Is Manny Diaz the next Dabo Swinney?

The canes are 2-2 with victories against Appalachian State and Central Connecticut State and losses to Alabama and Michigan State. We have the same records are Clemson, which has wins against Georgia Tech and South Carolina State and losses to Georgia and NC State. Similar wins and losses for both teams.

A disillusioned, fervent, and mostly lunatic Miami fan base who expects the Canes to be undefeated and competing for a national championship after Manny Diaz’s third year as the head coach of the Miami Hurricanes. Let’s get rid of the guy that bleeds orange and green when he is at the precipice of greatness at Miami. Let’s do it, just because we are Miami.

Let’s ignore the fact that Mark Ritch abandoned us as he ended his fourth year at Miami with a 7-6 record and a loss to Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl. Why did he leave? Could it be because he recruited the juniors and seniors in the 2021 team? Did he recruit the wrong guys? After all, we did get blown again, could not compete, in the ACC Championship game a year earlier against Dabo Swinney. Ritch’s honeymoon was over in Miami, and he knew it.

Before we make Manny’s life impossible, before we run off the guy that gives us the best chance to make Miami relevant again, let’s look at Dabo Swinney’s career as the head coach of the Clemson Tigers. In his first three years, he went 4-3, 9-5, 6-7. Yes, the coach that has won two national championships started his career with a record similar to Manny Diaz. Dabo thought he was going to get fired after the loss to Steve Spurriers South Carolina Gamecocks in the 2010 season in the meeting he had with the Clemson AD Terry Don Phillips. It wasn’t until 2011 that Clemson was able to achieve a 10-win regular season, which subsequently ended in a devastating 70-33 loss to West Virginia in the Orange Bowl. If Dabo was our coach, he might have not lasted with a 13-8 record through his first two years.

Miami and their fans need to stick with Manny Diaz because he can be the next Dabo Swinney that can guide the Miami program to the pinnacle of college football, going toe-to-toe against the likes of Alabama and Ohio State.
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Blake James this you…I knew you had account on CIS…..
 
If there ever was a power vacuum in the ACC it’s this year..Clemson is beyond vulnerable. UNC already with 2 division losses..it’s right there for us
 
Gimmicks are employed by coaches and teams in over their heads. So if we are shooting to be a mid major who can occasionally win a few games I’d say diaz is right on track
 
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GeauxIbis said:
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Let’s ignore the fact that Mark Ritch abandoned us as he ended his fourth year at Miami with a 7-6 record and a loss to Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl. Why did he leave? Could it be because he
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OP had his Auto - Correct on… he originally typed in “Is Manny the Next DoDo Stinky”
YES sir he is ! Great observation!
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
As usual, people put WAY too much stock into the HC. Assistants are a huge, huge part of the puzzle (as is talent identification and really good football players). Dabo didn't magically learn how to coach, he's always been the same guy, but hiring Brent Venables is what turned things around for him. 2009, 2010, and 2011, Dabo went 25-16, including giving up 70 points in the 2011 Orange Bowl. There was a term for how comically they melted down, it was called "Clemsoning". Then he hired Venables for the 2012 season, they immediately went 11-2, and the worst finish they've had in Venables' 9 seasons was 15th in 2015. The other 8 seasons, they've finished in the Top 10 every year, including 2 natty's.

Dabo isn't a genius, and he isn't the 2nd coming of Christ. He surrounded himself with exceptional assistants, including a Top 3 DC, and they started paying kids out the nose to come there. Manny, or any other coach, could do the same thing here. But yes, late in 2011, Dabo was viewed at Clemson as the same loser that Manny is viewed as here.
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Boom. This ^^^.

Before Brent Venables fell into Dabo's and Clemson's lap—the Tigers were on the wrong end of a 70-33 *** kicking in the Orange Bowl, courtesy of West Virginia.

Manny hired Blake Baker, didn't have the balls to fire him like he did Enos—bailed out when LSU took Baker to coach linebackers—and then promoted-demoted himself to call the defense, instead of putting all his focus on playing CEO.

Clemson is backsliding right now as their co-offensive coordinator role is now just Tony Elliott—things not the same since Jeff Scott took the South Florida head coaching gig.

The Tigers are also without Mr. All Everything Trevor Lawrence and the reliable game breaker Travis Etienne—expecting to just plug and play DJ Uiagalelei not working out as planned ... yet.


Either way, Manny has shown NOTHING to be the next Dabo Swinney—who went 10-4 his third full season in Clemson, winning the ACC, but getting smoked in the Orange Bowl and bringing Venables in year four.
 
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305to954 said:
If there ever was a power vacuum in the ACC it’s this year..Clemson is beyond vulnerable. UNC already with 2 division losses..it’s right there for us
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UVA has 2 ACC losses, they will be out for our blood. OTOH, do you think Mario will be watching and waiting for the phone to ring if we lose?
 
You have to look beyond W/L record.

Dabo's teams were often over-matched, but they weren't unsound. We are.

Look at team's like Wake Forrest. They're never going to win recruiting awards, but they block, tackle, catch and seldom commit bonehead penalties. Schematically, they are very sound. You have to win your reps to beat them, and they always find the easy money on offense.
 
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