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Is Indiana's Front 7 Really That Good On Defense?? FILM STUDY!!!

90scane said:
I think we need to have Fletcher on the weak side because Indiana tends to show 4 to one side and drop off 2 from that side only to bring pressure with 3 to the weak side. We also run a ton of 3wr/1TE/1RB so I could see 87 staying in a second to make sure he can pick-up any DB blitz while Mark takes the other side. If they don't blitz, they both release into routes.
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I'm biased. I would cut Bauman's snaps in half and distribute those snaps to a 6th OL and a 4th WR. If I were coordinating Indiana's defense, that would make me very uncomfortable.
 
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LuCane said:
I'm biased. I would cut Bauman's snaps in half and distribute those snaps to a 6th OL and a 4th WR. If I were coordinating Indiana's defense, that would make me very uncomfortable.
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FWIW, I noticed that IU periodically runs 6 OL on certain max protect pass downs. BEtween that and #37, they do a nice job on max protects.
 
LuCane said:
I'm biased. I would cut Bauman's snaps in half and distribute those snaps to a 6th OL and a 4th WR. If I were coordinating Indiana's defense, that would make me very uncomfortable.
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LuCane said:
I'm biased. I would cut Bauman's snaps in half and distribute those snaps to a 6th OL and a 4th WR. If I were coordinating Indiana's defense, that would make me very uncomfortable.
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Playing 4 WR plays into their strengths IMO. They have good CBs, Nic, and Safeties. They have good LBs. They aren't as talented upfront, which is why they stunt a ton, including in the run game. Give me 6OL, 1TE, 2WR with inserts and force them to stop Fletcher and Brown with smaller DBs.

I would try to get Toney and Marion on Sharpe. On D, I would go at Sharpe all night long passing and forcing him to tackle our big RBs.
 
90scane said:
Playing 4 WR plays into their strengths IMO. They have good CBs, Nic, and Safeties. They have good LBs. They aren't as talented upfront, which is why they stunt a ton, including in the run game. Give me 6OL, 1TE, 2WR with inserts and force them to stop Fletcher and Brown with smaller DBs.
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I don't fully agree. They have CBs, a Nickel, and Safeties with great numbers against bad matchups. There are holes there. They played very well against OSU, but didn't get matched up. Check Trebor Pena from PSU from different alignments. Check MSU catching them in quick screens and slants. Beyond that, my comment about going 4WR isn't to open the pass game. It's to get numbers in the run game and dictate their alignments. Go ahead and walk up 6 on a 4WR set with trips or a bunch.
 
LuCane said:
I don't fully agree. They have CBs, a Nickel, and Safeties with great numbers against bad matchups. There are holes there. They played very well against OSU, but didn't get matched up. Check Trebor Pena from PSU from different alignments. Check MSU catching them in quick screens and slants. Beyond that, my comment about going 4WR isn't to open the pass game. It's to get numbers in the run game and dictate their alignments. Go ahead and walk up 6 on a 4WR set with trips or a bunch.
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Pena hit a number vs Sharpe. I'll check the MSU film today. Did they sub a LB in 4WR sets?
 
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LuCane said:
Another poster on here (@skyman) encouraged me to watch this video of the Michigan State game. They did a good job against Indiana. I believe the highest yards/play against Indiana's defense on the year. Nearly 300 yards passing. They couldn't hang with Indiana's offense, but there are clues here:

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Yea you could see the gameplan they had going in, defense was trash so they had to abandon and tear up gameplan but this was only game where their defense didnt hold the offense below its avg.


LuCane said:
I actually love the pistol set for what we do. Bring in a 6th OL in place of Bauman, line him up at the Y, and run DUO until Cignetti googles himself.
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When I googled Cignetti I saw he won alot of games but lost every championship or last post season game of his season.. I didnt care to confirm but narratives are funny and make you go hmmm.

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90scane said:
Pena hit a number vs Sharpe. I'll check the MSU film today. Did they sub a LB in 4WR sets?
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I'd have to return to validate, but I don't remember MSU running a lot of 4WR. Maybe not much at all. They did some of their best work through the RB, which PSU did as well. That said, Indiana wants to keep those LBs in the game way more than I'd expect, and play Zone Blitz smoke and mirrors with them. I'd be very curious if they stick to that with 4WR on the field. I'll check for this in the OSU game.
 
Isn't setting a pick on a Lineman engaged a penalty? It seems to be the equivalent of a blindside hit. A guy running full speed at a defenseless lineman and blowing him up to free a teammate should fall under those same guidelines.
 
SoFlaSmitty said:
Isn't setting a pick on a Lineman engaged a penalty? It seems to be the equivalent of a blindside hit. A guy running full speed at a defenseless lineman and blowing him up to free a teammate should fall under those same guidelines.
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I only seen a flag for a dlineman holding but never for a pick.. I could be wrong tho because you dont see teams doing it much, seems to be en vogue now tho with the sim pressures and such.. McDonald and Seahawks do it a bit also as blatant as this.. Haines has no problem speaking about it in press calling it assist and how they coach it, I dont think if it was a penalty he would be speaking in public about it..



A lil after 2 min mark he speaks about stunts and sims and mentions pick and roll like basketball, in basketball you constantly see one guy take two so it makes sense
 
LuCane said:
I'm biased. I would cut Bauman's snaps in half and distribute those snaps to a 6th OL and a 4th WR. If I were coordinating Indiana's defense, that would make me very uncomfortable.
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I like this idea, but please Dawson and Mirabel for the love of god just use the 6th OL as a TE and don't move the regular OL around. I swear we haven't had a successful play this year when we have moved our starting OL to a different position on the line. (k maybe there was one, the first power play we ran with Coop at LG agaisnt FSU)
 
LuCane said:
I'd have to return to validate, but I don't remember MSU running a lot of 4WR. Maybe not much at all. They did some of their best work through the RB, which PSU did as well. That said, Indiana wants to keep those LBs in the game way more than I'd expect, and play Zone Blitz smoke and mirrors with them. I'd be very curious if they stick to that with 4WR on the field. I'll check for this in the OSU game.
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MSU didn't run 4WR more than 1-2 times. I believe they ran one play with 4WR, 1TE all out wide. They were in (3wr/1te/1rd) 11 personnel around 80-90% of the plays with a good number of 12 personnel (2TE/2WR/1RB). The best play was the QB's long run. What I did notice, Indiana ran a ton of zone when MSU wasn't behind the sticks. Once they had MSU behind the sticks, they switched to man with one or two high safeties.

Indiana looked good with Daily bringing a bunch of the pressure. MSU did not block well at all. Not just along the OL, but TE and WR.

Now MSU did split out the TE wide around 50% of the time.
 
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90scane said:
MSU didn't run 4WR more than 1-2 times. I believe they ran one play with 4WR, 1TE all out wide. They were in (3wr/1te/1rd) 11 personnel around 80-90% of the plays with a good number of 12 personnel (2TE/2WR/1RB). The best play was the QB's long run. What I did notice, Indiana ran a ton of zone when MSU wasn't behind the sticks. Once they had MSU behind the sticks, they switched to man with one or two high safeties.

Indiana looked good with Daily bringing a bunch of the pressure. MSU did not block well at all. Not just along the OL, but TE and WR.

Now MSU did split out the TE wide around 50% of the time.
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Then my memory was ok. Check out the slants and quick screens they ran (beyond the slip screens). They also ran a deep crosser (might have been a deep in) from a max protect look with PA. I like that play for us. I don’t remember the moment in the game it happened. Going from memory.
 
LuCane said:
Then my memory was ok. Check out the slants and quick screens they ran (beyond the slip screens). They also ran a deep crosser (might have been a deep in) from a max protect look with PA. I like that play for us. I don’t remember the moment in the game it happened. Going from memory.
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They ran the deep in a few times but that only works well when you threaten deep AND aren't behind the sticks. Get behind the sticks and now 22/5 are playing man.
 
LuCane said:
I don't fully agree. They have CBs, a Nickel, and Safeties with great numbers against bad matchups. There are holes there. They played very well against OSU, but didn't get matched up. Check Trebor Pena from PSU from different alignments. Check MSU catching them in quick screens and slants. Beyond that, my comment about going 4WR isn't to open the pass game. It's to get numbers in the run game and dictate their alignments. Go ahead and walk up 6 on a 4WR set with trips or a bunch.
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They really had no answers for Pena against PSU.
Hopefully They have no answers for Malachi either.
 
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