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Is Indiana's Front 7 Really That Good On Defense?? FILM STUDY!!!

ShadowSpring said:
Who else have we played who runs this same NUT TUN style of stunts, also with lighter and quick DL? Ole Miss does it but they are bigger in the middle. TAMU?

Not at all worried about #61, Cause he's the best player on the field. Brock #52 should be fine, this is exactly what he excels at. LG Pancake and McCoy should be fine, they are basically more athletic tackles playing guard out there. I'm worried Bell and Anez can deal with the quickness. Anez got beat a lot last week. When he gets his hands on em it's over tho.
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I think TAMU did their version of this with better athletes. Indiana does it with more precision. Their timing is awesome.
 
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LuCane said:
I think TAMU did their version of this with better athletes. Indiana does it with more precision. Their timing is awesome.
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I heard the best way to deal with it is to delay a second and then ID and push em. I wonder if we just fire our guys off before they get moving instead.

Also you were 100% right regarding us throwing DIGS against Ole Miss.
 
ShadowSpring said:
I heard the best way to deal with it is to delay a second and then ID and push em. I wonder if we just fire our guys off before they get moving instead.

Also you were 100% right regarding us throwing DIGS against Ole Miss.
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What were DIGS against Ole Miss should be well timed hot routes and RB routes against Indiana. I also think they have a Nickel and Safety that should be picked on all night. There are opportunities. They didn't ******* invent the zone blitz. Ton of smoke and mirrors. Find #4 and he'll often tell you where the free runner is coming from (opposite of where he drops).
 
LuCane said:
What were DIGS against Ole Miss should be well timed hot routes and RB routes against Indiana. I also think they have a Nickel and Safety that should be picked on all night. There are opportunities. They didn't ******* invent the zone blitz. Ton of smoke and mirrors. Find #4 and he'll often tell you where the free runner is coming from (opposite of where he drops).
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yeah exactly. I was just looking up TUN NUT and I'm getting videos from 2013 lol. Obviously these guys just run it really well, like a semi-pro team.

Curious if Hetherman used to run this stuff when he was at James Madison under CIG.
 
Landon Tengwall said:
I broke down every aspect of the Indiana front 7 but I show you guys how i expect Miami's Offense to combat what they do and how to beat them!! hope you enjoy!

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enjoy your show. Also...I hope you enjoy your "baptism" in Miami. Careful with the cafecito. It is addicting :coffee::oops:
 
Landon Tengwall said:
Haha thank you bro! If there’s an OL and RB that can pickup these blitzes and stunts, it’s this group!
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First, love your videos in general. It's been a treat watching them.

Second, lots of film from the Oregon game. But, I do have a comment - Oregon OL has been much maligned this year and was considered a vastly overrated bunch, IIRc. And second, they were not equipped at RB to help picking up rushers. That doomed them against a precise DL.

Similar deal with Bama. They have better athletes but their OL struggled all year long, especially in the run game.

Do we see IU similar success against well coached OL like Iowa?

I have to think that our OL will have better success against this defense than Oregon and Bama did.

Salt said:
enjoy your show. Also...I hope you enjoy your "baptism" in Miami. Careful with the cafecito. It is addicting :coffee::oops:
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Wrong film guy
 
I did a lot of similar things as a DC when I had smaller D-linemen.

You can post a handful of clips on how to counter these stunts but here's the issue...

They are GOING TO hit occasionally. It's inevitable. So even though you may be able to get a few positive plays, at some point one of those stunts is going to hit and force a negative play. Now that puts the offense behind the chains and limits their paycalling. (i.e. it's 2nd & 11, you're probably going to pass) At that point, the DC can either dial-up one of his "exotic" pressures or simply play base coverage.

Ironically this is exactly how we were able to give Mendoza's younger brother so many problems the year we got TWO pick-6's on him in the playoffs. We had absolutely no business stopping that offense from a size/talent standpoint.

But when you get an offense behind the chains, most OC's panic and start throwing the ball. And if your front-7 is causing chaos on passing plays and making the QB uncomfortable, mistakes are bound to happen.

I think the best bet for Miami is to run the ball right down their throat, no cute ****, and throw a lot of "quick game" to counter their SIM pressures. Get the ball out of Beck's hands now.
 
ShadowSpring said:
yeah exactly. I was just looking up TUN NUT and I'm getting videos from 2013 lol. Obviously these guys just run it really well, like a semi-pro team.

Curious if Hetherman used to run this stuff when he was at James Madison under CIG.
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Him and Haines were co dc at jmu, but Haines has a former player at dam near every level of defense and they been in scheme multiple years.. You can do more in that situation..

Hetherman, said he wanted to keep things simple for guys and we are year 1 in system, obviously both have their own spin on things and evolution thru years but you can see similarities..
 
Coach Macho said:
But when you get an offense behind the chains, most OC's panic and start throwing the ball. And if your front-7 is causing chaos on passing plays and making the QB uncomfortable, mistakes are bound to happen.

I think the best bet for Miami is to run the ball right down their throat, no cute ****, and throw a lot of "quick game" to counter their SIM pressures. Get the ball out of Beck's hands now.
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The first drive in the second half against A&M comes to mind
 
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Coach Macho said:
I did a lot of similar things as a DC when I had smaller D-linemen.

You can post a handful of clips on how to counter these stunts but here's the issue...

They are GOING TO hit occasionally. It's inevitable. So even though you may be able to get a few positive plays, at some point one of those stunts is going to hit and force a negative play. Now that puts the offense behind the chains and limits their paycalling. (i.e. it's 2nd & 11, you're probably going to pass) At that point, the DC can either dial-up one of his "exotic" pressures or simply play base coverage.

Ironically this is exactly how we were able to give Mendoza's younger brother so many problems the year we got TWO pick-6's on him in the playoffs. We had absolutely no business stopping that offense from a size/talent standpoint.

But when you get an offense behind the chains, most OC's panic and start throwing the ball. And if your front-7 is causing chaos on passing plays and making the QB uncomfortable, mistakes are bound to happen.

I think the best bet for Miami is to run the ball right down their throat, no cute ****, and throw a lot of "quick game" to counter their SIM pressures. Get the ball out of Beck's hands now.
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Thanks Coach. This is the ultimate 3 yards and a cloud of dust gameplan. I was thinking of that. We need to take it to them. Watching the Ole Miss game they were getting some penetration but Mark did a great job of waiting a second and popping into the other gap.

I think our DL is going to eat. The game is 100% riding on our OL moving in unison to stop penetration and moving them. If we can't do that we won't win this game. It's all on Mario and Mirabal IMO.
 
Im looking for a gameplan similar to Ohio State. We been running the ball well and i dont see it changing. Good thing about Cristobal is he wont give up on it if it doesnt work early so Dawson takes on that approach to play calling.

Indiana is a good team but i dont think they faced the versatility of offense we have face. For example the SMU game which we lost, prepared us for the Ole Miss game in the playoffs. Other than Bama, they played Big teams and non P4 teams, their entire schedule. We played ACC, 3 SEC teams, and one of the best G5 teams.
 
Bo Jackson vs Indiana....

17 car 89 yds 4.9 ypc

We saw that soft OL, we can do better. The total yardage running is skewed cause Sayin lost 29 yards.
 
Coach Macho said:
I did a lot of similar things as a DC when I had smaller D-linemen.

You can post a handful of clips on how to counter these stunts but here's the issue...

They are GOING TO hit occasionally. It's inevitable. So even though you may be able to get a few positive plays, at some point one of those stunts is going to hit and force a negative play. Now that puts the offense behind the chains and limits their paycalling. (i.e. it's 2nd & 11, you're probably going to pass) At that point, the DC can either dial-up one of his "exotic" pressures or simply play base coverage.

Ironically this is exactly how we were able to give Mendoza's younger brother so many problems the year we got TWO pick-6's on him in the playoffs. We had absolutely no business stopping that offense from a size/talent standpoint.

But when you get an offense behind the chains, most OC's panic and start throwing the ball. And if your front-7 is causing chaos on passing plays and making the QB uncomfortable, mistakes are bound to happen.

I think the best bet for Miami is to run the ball right down their throat, no cute ****, and throw a lot of "quick game" to counter their SIM pressures. Get the ball out of Beck's hands now.
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Another poster on here (@skyman) encouraged me to watch this video of the Michigan State game. They did a good job against Indiana. I believe the highest yards/play against Indiana's defense on the year. Nearly 300 yards passing. They couldn't hang with Indiana's offense, but there are clues here:

 
Coach Macho said:
I did a lot of similar things as a DC when I had smaller D-linemen.

You can post a handful of clips on how to counter these stunts but here's the issue...

They are GOING TO hit occasionally. It's inevitable. So even though you may be able to get a few positive plays, at some point one of those stunts is going to hit and force a negative play. Now that puts the offense behind the chains and limits their paycalling. (i.e. it's 2nd & 11, you're probably going to pass) At that point, the DC can either dial-up one of his "exotic" pressures or simply play base coverage.

Ironically this is exactly how we were able to give Mendoza's younger brother so many problems the year we got TWO pick-6's on him in the playoffs. We had absolutely no business stopping that offense from a size/talent standpoint.

But when you get an offense behind the chains, most OC's panic and start throwing the ball. And if your front-7 is causing chaos on passing plays and making the QB uncomfortable, mistakes are bound to happen.

I think the best bet for Miami is to run the ball right down their throat, no cute ****, and throw a lot of "quick game" to counter their SIM pressures. Get the ball out of Beck's hands now.
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Beck will need to know where the pressure is coming from because Indiana leaves holes when that happens.
 
I know they outlawed the flying wedge 100 years ago, but I'd be good with taking an illegal formation penalty if it meant sending that message.
 
90scane said:
Beck will need to know where the pressure is coming from because Indiana leaves holes when that happens.
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He's unlikely to consistently "know." They're really good with walking up 6 and disguising well. Smash them in the f'in mouth. I don't think they've seen close to our level of OL. OSU is not that. Michigan State is not close. Iowa does some good things, but they don't have our raw physical talent. I'd honestly consider going 6OL and unbalanced a number of times.
 
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LuCane said:
Another poster on here (@skyman) encouraged me to watch this video of the Michigan State game. They did a good job against Indiana. I believe the highest yards/play against Indiana's defense on the year. Nearly 300 yards passing. They couldn't hang with Indiana's offense, but there are clues here:

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Their LBs really crash hard. Not sure if they do that based on predictable run downs or most 1st and 2nd downs but I have to think you can PA them to death with that
 
LuCane said:
He's unlikely to consistently "know." They're really good with walking up 6 and disguising well. Smash them in the f'in mouth. I don't think they've seen close to our level of OL. OSU is not that. Michigan State is not close. Iowa does some good things, but they don't have our raw physical talent. I'd honestly consider going 6OL and unbalanced a number of times.
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I think we need to have Fletcher on the weak side because Indiana tends to show 4 to one side and drop off 2 from that side only to bring pressure with 3 to the weak side. We also run a ton of 3wr/1TE/1RB so I could see 87 staying in a second to make sure he can pick-up any DB blitz while Mark takes the other side. If they don't blitz, they both release into routes.
 
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