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I got a list just now in my head of about 8 or 9 of just SRs lol
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Lol night high but these guys can get a combine invite next year
TVD
Parrish
Colby
X
Lee
Cohen
Zion
Rivers
Harvey
Mesidor
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Other potential guys:
Branson Deen
Henry Parrish
Jahfari Harvey
Matt Lee
Jalen Rivers
Ahkeem Mesidor
Leonard Taylor
It's a long shot but a good season could propel a few of the guys to the combine.
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IF we win 10+ games maybe these become realistic. The O& G glasses are heavily tinted but 3 OL off a middling team and an entire DL seem to be the most delusional. I did forget Mesidor but the production is missing for most of those names.
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**** and i thought the 8-9 seniors post was dumb. Congrats sir.
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He switched to medium. This joke has become the CIS equivalent of the gator talking about UM being poor and having ****** facilities.
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I'm not drinking the cane juice at all lol, just saying a invite to the combine not all getting drafted high, but I think all the names are a possibility if they stay healthy have the measurables
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Brother. I didn’t say all of these guys would get an invite. Just listing a few other potential guys that, with a good season, could see an invite.
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So since Golden pretty much only signed or recruited lower level kids, he gets credit for talent evaluation because a few hit? The lack of blue chip players on that list some how solidifies solid evaluation to you?
A lot of Golden's retarded takes were pretty early... what does that tell you?
Golden continuously thought he was as good of a talent avaluator as you do, and would make abysmal offers and take their commitments. It was a **** show. There were dozens of guys the board hated, and knew wouldn't amount to anything and they didn't.
If he's not juxtaposed with Manny's dumpster fire, no ones considering him a good evaluator, just like no one was at the end of Golden's tenure.
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In our low-light event, It’s The Battle of the Corches!!!
In the Red Cornah, we have Fat Al
In The Blue Cornah, we have Lispy Diaz
Take of the tape-
Golden: (2011-2015)
Diaz: (2016-2021)*
*For Diaz, I’ll only consider Def Players recruited from 2016-18, & the entire classes of 2019-21.
Total Recruits-
Golden: 125 players
Diaz: 89 players
Players’ drafted-
Golden: 23
-Dorsett (1st Round)
-Perryman (2nd round)
-Chickillo (6th round)
-Johnson (3rd round)
-Bush (4th round)
-Flowers (1st round)
-Jenkins (4th round)
-AQM (6th round)
-Coley (7th round)
-Burns (1st round)
-Sandland (7th round)*
-Elder (5th round)
-Thomas (3rd round)
-Kaaya (6th round)
-Berrios (6th round)
-Herndon (4th round)
-Njoku (1st round)
-Walton (4th round)
-Johnson (6th round)
-Norton Jr. (7th round)
-M. Jackson (5th round)
-Redwine (4th round)
-McIntosh (5th round)
*Sandland did transfer, but was signed & enrolled at Miami
Diaz: 8
-J. Jackson (5th round)
-Quarterman (4th round)
-Osborn (5th round)
-Garvin (7th round)
-Phillips (1st round)
-Rousseau (1st round)
-Rochè (6th round)
-Ford (7th round)
UDFA’s recruited that played on an active NFL roster at least 3 yrs:
Golden: 10
-Carter
-Edwards*
-Pierre
-Armbrister
-Waters
-Gunter
-Grace
-KC McDermott
-Harris
-Cager*
*Players did transfer prior to NFL, but were enrolled at Miami
Diaz: TBD (Have to wait on Silvera, DJ Johnson, & the Classes of 2018-‘21 to finish their collegiate careers)
So far the NFL recruit-talent hit rate is:
Golden: 26%
Diaz: 9%
This backs up the lack of combine invites for the past two seasons compared to 2017-18, b/c those invites were Golden recruits. Yes, he had a 74% miss rate in regards to NFL talent (although, some of those guys were key contributors), but there’s a reason y our defense went str8 to **** once it was filled strictly w/ Diaz’s players. It’s also the reason y he’s the only coach in over 50 yrs not to win 9 games at least once during his tenure.
Diaz has, thus far, a 91% miss rate on players he recruited either as a DC or HC. That’s almost unimaginable! That’s truly G5, FCS level recruiting…so there should be no ?’s as to y we lost to FIU, LA Tech, MTSU, while struggling w/ CMU & So Miss.
Again, the NFL or Combines are not fool proof in relations to results, but it gives a strong indicator. Now I need a shower, b/c this just made me feel dirty. WTF happened to this program?!! Smh.
In the Red Cornah, we have Fat Al
In The Blue Cornah, we have Lispy Diaz
Take of the tape-
Golden: (2011-2015)
Diaz: (2016-2021)*
*For Diaz, I’ll only consider Def Players recruited from 2016-18, & the entire classes of 2019-21.
Total Recruits-
Golden: 125 players
Diaz: 89 players
Players’ drafted-
Golden: 23
-Dorsett (1st Round)
-Perryman (2nd round)
-Chickillo (6th round)
-Johnson (3rd round)
-Bush (4th round)
-Flowers (1st round)
-Jenkins (4th round)
-AQM (6th round)
-Coley (7th round)
-Burns (1st round)
-Sandland (7th round)*
-Elder (5th round)
-Thomas (3rd round)
-Kaaya (6th round)
-Berrios (6th round)
-Herndon (4th round)
-Njoku (1st round)
-Walton (4th round)
-Johnson (6th round)
-Norton Jr. (7th round)
-M. Jackson (5th round)
-Redwine (4th round)
-McIntosh (5th round)
*Sandland did transfer, but was signed & enrolled at Miami
Diaz: 8
-J. Jackson (5th round)
-Quarterman (4th round)
-Osborn (5th round)
-Garvin (7th round)
-Phillips (1st round)
-Rousseau (1st round)
-Rochè (6th round)
-Ford (7th round)
UDFA’s recruited that played on an active NFL roster at least 3 yrs:
Golden: 10
-Carter
-Edwards*
-Pierre
-Armbrister
-Waters
-Gunter
-Grace
-KC McDermott
-Harris
-Cager*
*Players did transfer prior to NFL, but were enrolled at Miami
Diaz: TBD (Have to wait on Silvera, DJ Johnson, & the Classes of 2018-‘21 to finish their collegiate careers)
So far the NFL recruit-talent hit rate is:
Golden: 26%
Diaz: 9%
This backs up the lack of combine invites for the past two seasons compared to 2017-18, b/c those invites were Golden recruits. Yes, he had a 74% miss rate in regards to NFL talent (although, some of those guys were key contributors), but there’s a reason y our defense went str8 to **** once it was filled strictly w/ Diaz’s players. It’s also the reason y he’s the only coach in over 50 yrs not to win 9 games at least once during his tenure.
Diaz has, thus far, a 91% miss rate on players he recruited either as a DC or HC. That’s almost unimaginable! That’s truly G5, FCS level recruiting…so there should be no ?’s as to y we lost to FIU, LA Tech, MTSU, while struggling w/ CMU & So Miss.
Again, the NFL or Combines are not fool proof in relations to results, but it gives a strong indicator. Now I need a shower, b/c this just made me feel dirty. WTF happened to this program?!! Smh.
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Bruh look at Rell's post just above this for a breakdown. Diaz got a **** ton of blue chippers and almost none panned out. Golden got very few blue chippers but a lot of them did well. Diaz did not have to recruit with a 3-year death penalty crowd. Golden had to sign lower ranked players as he could not recruit. But of the lower ranked kids a lot panned out. A higher % than normal.
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Was Golden a better evaluator than Diaz? **** yeah. Diaz is probably one of the worst to ever lace em up.
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thank you
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Golden was an average to below average evaluator. Courtel Jenkins was a good find. Braxton Berrios is a good example of Golden listening to his assistants’ scouting. David Njoku and Chris Herndon were both great finds. Recruiting Norton as a DT instead of a OG was smart.
Ryan Mayes and the Dillard DB over Quincy Wilson was a dumbass move no matter what folks think of his dad. Could have easily had two NFL DBs in Quincy and Chris Lemmons with access to the best 7on7 team at the time.
The interview with Mayes’ coach post commitment was super telling looking back. The coach telling reporters wait and let him develop instead of raving about the player spoke volumes. Brendan Loftus was another one who had a lukewarm HS coach interview post commitment.
Now, I need to add my .02. Juwon King, Charles Perry, Tyler Gauthier, Darrell Langham, Marques Gayot, Calvin Heurtelou, Trayone Gray, Mike Smith, Kiy Hester, Darrion Owens (IMO still liked him as a prospect better than Shaq, but he also created an Oakleaf/Jax pipeline), Rykeem Lockley, Standish Dobard, Kevin Olsen, Beau Sandland, Jelani Hamilton, Raphael Kirby, Thurston Armbrister, Beau Sandland, Ufomba Kumalu, and Taylor Gadbois are all more justifiable offers than the others on your list.
Let Gadbois tell his story and he will speak about all the executives and scouts who loved him before constantly getting in trouble.
Side bar, Ray Lewis III played more basketball than football at UM.
Glad Golden is gone, and Joe Brown had some of the worst highlights I have ever seen in my life. Legit stopped HS highlights as much after that take.
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it is crazy that Ufomba Kumalu spent more time in the NFL than Gerald Willis. He even has a ring for his time with the Patriots. Willis, McIntosh, Garvin, Kendrick Norton, and Joe Jackson could have all been more productive pros or drafted higher with a stronger program.
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