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I give you all my word, I'll let it go after this...

It hurts!!!!!!

So many what ifs? Especially check down to toney.

I still think beck can make the throw. the flea flicker beck threw was a "dyme" to toney against fsu.. around the same length as the int against Indiana, just a bad throw.


And i do like the kill shot cause I beileve bain,mesi,wes,jakobe, and agent 0 Scott would have a say in the matter.

Beck is also another reason why mensah decided to join UM. Just like cam is the reason why beck decided to join UM.

Coach Cristobal!!!!
 
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U got This said:
It hurts!!!!!!

So many what ifs? Especially check down to toney.

I still think beck can make the throw. the flea flicker beck threw was a "dyme" to toney against fsu.. around the same length as the int against Indiana, just a bad throw.


And i do like the kill shot cause I beileve bain,mesi,wes,jakobe, and agent 0 Scott would have a say in the matter.

Beck is also another reason why mensah decided to join UM. Just like cam is the reason why beck decided to join UM.

Coach Cristobal!!!!
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I can live with bad throws but not a bad read from my veteran qb.

It’s cover 2 and you know you have no receiver going to occupy the CB. You know from film review that Indiana is smart and they do not cover grass if no routes go to their zone. And they have shown you this all game.

That throw needed to be outside shoulder…but in reality it shouldn’t have been thrown at all
 
Canesq said:
I can live with bad throws but not a bad read from my veteran qb.

It’s cover 2 and you know you have no receiver going to occupy the CB. You know from film review that Indiana is smart and they do not cover grass if no routes go to their zone. And they have shown you this all game.

That throw needed to be outside shoulder…but in reality it shouldn’t have been thrown at all
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Its the velocity on the throw that will always get me.. like a better throw that beats great coverage.

Marion wasn't expecting it and if that's not talked in huddle or no sig given than mos Def choice is the under neath to toney. Based on time,coverage and also what's been the bread and butter all yr for UM.
 
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caneULM said:
But I have rewatched that last play of the title game about 10 times the last 2 days and if Beck puts a tad more mustard on that pass it's a TD and we would talking about back-to-back with #7.

It's just the little things, man!
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I don't do a "what if" in this case because Beck doesn't have the arm to make that type of throw. He overestimated himself.
 
Peachycarnahan said:
as to the bauman play, I'm no expert and i only played HS football and pop warner, but we were taught to take wide splits and block the guy directly in front of us or to the inside of of us. The wide splits allow the punt formation to be wide enough that the guy on the end is too far away to effect the punt when he comes from the outside. We were taught to ignore the dude as the formation set up effectively eliminated the outside guy. i think an argument can be made that the problem was not bauman but joyce who needed to stay in the pocket behind his second wall.
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Facts i was a punter
 
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Peachycarnahan said:
as to the bauman play, I'm no expert and i only played HS football and pop warner, but we were taught to take wide splits and block the guy directly in front of us or to the inside of of us. The wide splits allow the punt formation to be wide enough that the guy on the end is too far away to effect the punt when he comes from the outside. We were taught to ignore the dude as the formation set up effectively eliminated the outside guy. i think an argument can be made that the problem was not bauman but joyce who needed to stay in the pocket behind his second wall.
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Take a look at the screenshots that I posted. The snap went off to the right, Joyce had to go right just to catch the snap.

Also, I agree with your past coaching as it relates to American-style punters, who approach as they kick in more of a direct line towards the center. However, Miami has had multiple Aussie-style punters for the last 5 or 6 years, all of whom skew to the right on their approach just prior to punting the ball.

This should not have been an issue, if Bauman had just made an effort to impede the rusher, rather than ASSUMING that all was good behind him.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Another angle, from the side, which clearly shows that Bauman ISN'T EVEN LOOKING TO HIS "INSIDE SHOULDER THREAT":
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Another angle, from behind, which shows Bauman turning his body to the outside to wave the rusher past him, thus not even facing the non-existent "inside shoulder threat". ****, you can see the U on Bauman's helmet, meaning his head is turned nearly 90 degrees to face the SIDELINE, and he is not facing upfield:
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Final angle, showing that not only was Joyce NOT outside the has OR outside of Bauman, but was almost directly behind the CENTER-deep blocker:
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Look, if you want to get @Lance Roffers in here, I'll tell him he's wrong, directly. Same as what Kirk Herbstreit said on the broadcast. No matter what, I do not believe it was the intention of Lance Roffers to say that Bauman was "correct" in releasing the outside rusher when he ultimately does not turn to block an "inside rushing threat". Lance is too smart to say something like that.
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I think Bauman screwed up. I've said so. I said his first responsibility is the inside shoulder of a rush. Once he's not threatened there, he needs to take the free rusher.

It is my contention that Joyce also got too far outside and invited a straight line rush when he didn't need to and was pretty slow on his time to kick.

In the end, it doesn't matter. It was blocked and both will probably tell you they need to be better.
 
RF-4CCane said:
I wasn’t worried about IU having time to kick a FG.
Their kicker hit the upright on a 35 yarder and sucked balls in pre game and half time warmup.
They would have needed to get to our 20 for a realistic chance of a FG. They would have had maybe 10 seconds left to go from the 25 to our 20.
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They would have had 40 seconds left on the clock if Beck completes the pass. Ole Miss took how long to drive the field?
 
5NC4 said:
They would have had 40 seconds left on the clock if Beck completes the pass. Ole Miss took how long to drive the field?
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Even if Marion catches that ball, he would have been knocked out of bounds by the safety who was coming at him like a freight train.

We would have taken a couple plays to get in and ran the clock out.

Moreso, if we don’t attempt that pass and keeping working the short routes, there would have been little to no time left.
 
Lance Roffers said:
I think Bauman screwed up. I've said so. I said his first responsibility is the inside shoulder of a rush. Once he's not threatened there, he needs to take the free rusher.

It is my contention that Joyce also got too far outside and invited a straight line rush when he didn't need to and was pretty slow on his time to kick.

In the end, it doesn't matter. It was blocked and both will probably tell you they need to be better.
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Even if Joyce was slightly slower than his "norm", it cannot be denied that the snap went to his right and he had to move to his right to field it. That might take an extra fraction of a second. From the time he lays hands on the ball to the time he whips his leg through the ball, he is moving pretty quickly and efficiently.

I think if the snap went straight back, Joyce doesn't move as far right, and the line between the rusher and the punter is not as direct.

In my millionth review of the play, I see Bauman bearing the most blame, followed by the long snapper, and then Joyce. I think Joyce did what he could given the situation, there was no NOTICEABLE and/or INTENTIONAL delay in kicking the ball, as we sometimes see when there is very little pressure and Joyce is trying to buy extra hang time for the coverage squad, or punt directionally.

The **** play happened right in front of me, I will be replaying it in my mind forever, just like with the 1988 Cleveland Gary non-fumble.
 
RF-4CCane said:
I wasn’t worried about IU having time to kick a FG.
Their kicker hit the upright on a 35 yarder and sucked balls in pre game and half time warmup.
They would have needed to get to our 20 for a realistic chance of a FG. They would have had maybe 10 seconds left to go from the 25 to our 20.
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Eh, I have to disagree there. With Heisman trophy winner in his hometown and referee shenanigans, I think odds are good we would have lost if Indy got the ball back with 40 seconds left. Figure there would a DPI at some point in the drive, then Indy’s QB running for a 1st down as we were playing soft coverage. They get into FG range and kick to win.

I think the smart way to close out the game would have been keep picking up 1st downs and using up the clock. Get the ball inside the 5 with 20 seconds to go, and spike it if you can’t get out of bounds. Now you have 3 plays to score a TD and leave no time on the clock for them to pull off any miracles. If they keep us out of the end zone, so be it, they earned the W. Would be less painful to lose that way than with Becks pick which was simply an ill-advised throw he doesn’t have the arm to make.
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
Eh, I have to disagree there. With Heisman trophy winner in his hometown and referee shenanigans, I think odds are good we would have lost if Indy got the ball back with 40 seconds left. Figure there would a DPI at some point in the drive, then Indy’s QB running for a 1st down as we were playing soft coverage. They get into FG range and kick to win.

I think the smart way to close out the game would have been keep picking up 1st downs and using up the clock. Get the ball inside the 5 with 20 seconds to go, and spike it if you can’t get out of bounds. Now you have 3 plays to score a TD and leave no time on the clock for them to pull off any miracles. If they keep us out of the end zone, so be it, they earned the W. Would be less painful to lose that way than with Becks pick which was simply an ill-advised throw he doesn’t have the arm to make.
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Notice I said approx 10 seconds left from their 25.
I was talking about us scoring, without taking that ill advised throw.
Kicking a TB and then having 10 seconds or less to go from their 25 to our 20. Throw in a PI. That’s a 15 yards penalty, not a spot foul.
 
RF-4CCane said:
Watching that in stills, **** was Marty wide open for an easy 1st down IF (big if) Joyce can throw and we called it.
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The ONLY problem with that is that we would have needed to have our interior linemen (not the gunners) within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage at the time of the pass. Normal "ineligible receiver downfield" rules still apply to even fake punts and kicks.

Had we even planned for that situation (given that it was 4th and 1), then you instruct your linemen to hold their positions (as if they were pass blocking) until they hear the thud of the kick. If you kick it, then your only men downfield are the gunners. And if you pass or run the ball, then every other blocker (both on the line of scrimmage as well as the deep blockers) is in a legal position too.

You just have to plan for the POSSIBILITY of a block. It's a hard thing to do with no planning, unless the punter runs the ball for a first down. Which also COULD HAVE happened, so long as CharMar Marty and/or the center take out the one defender manning the middle of the field at around the 20 yard line. Every other Indiana defender had turned to run with the gunners.
 
Blocked punt was the killer, but there was a play earlier in the game that was huge. Mid 2nd quarter Indiana can’t convert 3rd and 13 and will have to punt, but Bain jumped offside. They get a reprieve and caught us off guard with a draw play up the gut and got the first down. They went on to score and go up 10-0. In a game where they only scored two offensive TDs, that offsides was massive, and it was committed by our best player.
 
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