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It's not a forward pass and it doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage.
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@Lance Roffers has said numerous times that the block was likely Joyce's fault. Bauman has inside protection, and anyone outside his frame shouldn't be able to get there ... but Joyce took an extra step and ended outside the protection.
We will never know for sure whose fault it actually was.
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I agree, but if we're going to game this out, I figured I'd throw it in.
Bauman was inexcusable. Any good will or redemption he might have earned with receptions vaporized in an instant.
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There is no intentional grounding on a backward pass.
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Exactly.
I will never work to defend our 2004 team, but our 2005 team was kicking ***. We were 8-1 heading into a HOME game against GaTech. If we score one more TD, we beat GaTech, and then we beat UVa the next week. We would be 10-1 and playing for the ACC-CG in a rematch against a SEVEN-WIN SemenHole team (after losing that disastrous Labor Day mess in Doak by the massive score of 10-7).
That's it. A 3-point loss in the first game of the season, and a 4-point loss against GaTech immediately after the Seventh Floor Crew scandal. We had just beaten #3 VaTech on the road just 2 games before the GaTech botch job.
That 2005 team should have won the ACC. And even if USC and Texas were both undefeated and aced us out of the BCS Championship game, then we still had a chance to finish #2 by beating Pedo State in the Orange Bowl.
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It would have been the greatest play ever for Joyce to realize it was going to be blocked and have the wherewithal to not kick it and then turn and throw it backwards out of the endzone.
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Here's something that would have been even better, considering that there wasn't much of a rush besides that one guy.
The punter can step forward, let the rusher go past him, and then start his punting steps again. I'm not saying he would boom a 45 yarder or anything, but it would not have been blocked.
There was, quite literally, nobody else rushing from the same side of the line as the guy who blocked the punt. It's like when a QB steps up in the pocket, just get past the first rusher and you have wide open field. Step forward, and punt. Easy.
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Or t least run into the end zone.
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If Bauman had at least cast a sideways glance at him, it wouldn't have been blocked.
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That is completely wrong.
He did NOT take an extra step punting, at least not for an Aussie-style punter. And he did not take any more time to punt than normal.
It is a flat-out LIE to say that Bauman has "inside protection" when he is outside, particularly when there is NO OTHER RUSHER he has to account for.
It is also a lie to say that "anyone outside his frame shouldn't be able to get there", when the punter is right-footed and comes in that direction. Quite literally, the NORMAL direction that Joyce, as an Aussie-style punter, will be taking goes DIRECTLY into a rusher on that end of the defensive line.
By this line of BULL**** reasoning (and I'm quite certain that Lance Roffers did not, nor did he intend to say anything as insane as what you are suggesting), Bauman could have "fallen down" at that point, because "geometrically speaking" the rusher could not have been able to "get there". But, of course, that is not how the game of football is played. You do not abdicate your job, nor do you fail to make an effort, merely because a person "shouldn't be able to get there".
That is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and I would never expect @Lance Roffers to make such a dumb comment. He is way too smart for that.
Perhaps, IN A PERFECT WORLD, the rusher is "not supposed to be able to get there". But there can be other "don't blame Joyce" reasons for why HE COULD. There could have been a bad snap that was low, or went too far in one direction, and the punter may have had to adjust. Perhaps the time between catch and punt is elongated as a result. Bauman has his back to the punter, he can't possibly know any of those things. Thus it is NOT FOR BAUMAN TO DECIDE "hey, the rusher shouldn't be able to get to the punter, anyhow, so I don't have to make an effort on this block."
This is the problem with people who don't know how football works, trying to listen to a football explanation, or even posit a football hypothesis, when they don't know what the **** they are talking about. Or even the rules of punting, which allow a punter to throw the ball out of the end zone, without penalty, without an "illegal grounding" call.
Simply stated, all 11 guys need to do their job at the same time. Properly. Fully. The fact that ONE GUY might bear 51% of the blame does not not absolve anyone else from doing their assigned jobs. In fact, when 11 teammates all do what they are supposed to do, the actions of 10 guys can erase a mistake made by the 11th guy.
The reality is that Joyce didn't do anything different from normal. He didn't bobble the snap. He didn't step in a direction he never steps. He didn't take an extra step THAT ANY AUSSIE-STYLE PUNTER DOESN'T ALSO TAKE. I could show you dozens of punts that Lou Hedley (who sat next to me at the game) or Joyce made where they took MORE STEPS than an "American-style" punter takes, and nothing bad happened. The reality is that all of our punt-blockers are trained to protect an Aussie-style punter, not an American-style punter. Sure, if Reggie Roby was punting, it would not have been blocked. But the HURRICANES team has been coached to protect Aussie-style punters for years, punters who might take an extra step or two in order to buy more hang time.
Joyce did nothing out of the ordinary. And, sure, if Bauman was staring down two blockers, he certainly should choose to block the guy with the more direct line to the punter. But that's not what happened. He had ONE guy to slow down, and he didn't. Punt blocked. End of excuses.
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This is the correct answer. He has no idea what is happening behind him. Joyce could have fielded a bad snap. It is NOT for Bauman to decide "well, I don't have to give maximum effort on this block, because it will never make a difference".
All he has to do is block the guy towards the outside, and Miami has a chance to win the game.
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I'm not reading all that. You can take it up with @Lance Roffers
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Man all this nostalgia got me thinking about Shelley, the hottest cheerleader the seventh grade ever saw (when I was also a seventh grader). She was the one who (I thought) got away. She ended up being homecoming queen and prom queen. I was her date for neither. It wasn't some technicality either - I simply lacked the testicular fortitude to ask that young damsel out because I thought she was "too beautiful for me." LIES! ALL LIES!!!!!
All these decades later and like Indiana, I'm grateful for ole Shelley. I saw semi-recent photos of her on Facebook and she would not qualify for homecoming court or prom court today. She's doubled in size; maybe even more. She's a nice gal, but she peaked at 19 and isn't regaining beauty in this lifetime and I'm not sure she had much more to offer other than looks. I learned a few things from her....
1. NEVER let fear of asking a woman out prevent you from doing so. Believe it or not, Mrs. BigDik is a very beautiful woman - much more beautiful then ole Shelley was back in her prime. I got lucky, but without the huevos to ask her out, I would be singing a different tune.
2. Looks, like cheese, come with an expiration date and after it passes, it starts to smell.
3. I thought I impregnated many tube socks during my teenaged years thinking of her. I'm glad it was just false alarms. As a matter of fact, my socks continue to disappear either from my dogs or my sons. I prefer to think dogs, but I know the truth.
4. There's no shame in rubbing one out, but the real thing is always better than the tube sock....til it's not.
5. Terry Porter is a piece of s.hit.
6. It took me about six weeks to "get over" that Fiesta Bowl game. It took me about six seconds to get over Shelley after seeing those Facebook photos.
7. The loss to Indiana stings because we were literally right there. Beck's last pass was reminiscent of my high school female follies - cute, but not quite enough pizzaz to get the job done.
8. The loss to Pedo State in 87 (86 season) is on Jimmy Johnson for insisting we pass when we were owning the LOS. That said, Vinny did us no favors that night. We were massively better than that teams of dorks.
9. The ND loss in 88 was a thievery. F them eternally.
10. Ask out the pretty girl. Someone has to date the pretty ones. If she's smart, employed and has a great sense of humor, keep her around. Looks fade but humor lasts.
All these decades later and like Indiana, I'm grateful for ole Shelley. I saw semi-recent photos of her on Facebook and she would not qualify for homecoming court or prom court today. She's doubled in size; maybe even more. She's a nice gal, but she peaked at 19 and isn't regaining beauty in this lifetime and I'm not sure she had much more to offer other than looks. I learned a few things from her....
1. NEVER let fear of asking a woman out prevent you from doing so. Believe it or not, Mrs. BigDik is a very beautiful woman - much more beautiful then ole Shelley was back in her prime. I got lucky, but without the huevos to ask her out, I would be singing a different tune.
2. Looks, like cheese, come with an expiration date and after it passes, it starts to smell.
3. I thought I impregnated many tube socks during my teenaged years thinking of her. I'm glad it was just false alarms. As a matter of fact, my socks continue to disappear either from my dogs or my sons. I prefer to think dogs, but I know the truth.
4. There's no shame in rubbing one out, but the real thing is always better than the tube sock....til it's not.
5. Terry Porter is a piece of s.hit.
6. It took me about six weeks to "get over" that Fiesta Bowl game. It took me about six seconds to get over Shelley after seeing those Facebook photos.
7. The loss to Indiana stings because we were literally right there. Beck's last pass was reminiscent of my high school female follies - cute, but not quite enough pizzaz to get the job done.
8. The loss to Pedo State in 87 (86 season) is on Jimmy Johnson for insisting we pass when we were owning the LOS. That said, Vinny did us no favors that night. We were massively better than that teams of dorks.
9. The ND loss in 88 was a thievery. F them eternally.
10. Ask out the pretty girl. Someone has to date the pretty ones. If she's smart, employed and has a great sense of humor, keep her around. Looks fade but humor lasts.
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Perhaps that is your problem. You choose not to read. You want simple two-word explanations.
Tell me again how it would be a penalty for a punter to throw the ball out of the end zone. I'm dying to hear your short, concise misexplanation of the rules of tackle football.
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Or Miami could have had the AP title as I "THINK" there was still the split title thing.
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I'm not going to "take anything up" with @Lance Roffers . I'm sure he didn't say what you claim he said, and regardless of whether he thinks Joyce bears more blame than Bauman (for "taking an extra step" that all of our Aussie-style punters do), he would never have made any such claim which minimizes the fault and role of Bauman, who should have executed his block NO MATTER WHAT.
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I agree with you, but I think both USC and Texas were undefeated going into the game, while Miami would have had the 3-point loss to FSU on Labor Day.
I think both polls would have gone with the undefeated team. Though...if that team had been USC...the title would have been vacated...