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Hurricane23 said:
Toney coming across the middle about 10-15 yards on the dig route was the right throw, would've put us around the 20 YL, if Toney had broken a tackle (if Beck threw it, of course), he might've scored, or we would've been inside the 10.
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This 100%

I can't watch that final Beck play and haven't since the Twitter behind the QB view breakdown the day after.
 
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as to the bauman play, I'm no expert and i only played HS football and pop warner, but we were taught to take wide splits and block the guy directly in front of us or to the inside of of us. The wide splits allow the punt formation to be wide enough that the guy on the end is too far away to effect the punt when he comes from the outside. We were taught to ignore the dude as the formation set up effectively eliminated the outside guy. i think an argument can be made that the problem was not bauman but joyce who needed to stay in the pocket behind his second wall.
 
rok said:
Anyone else just grateful that we have a new nightmare to revisit every 10 seconds?

We spent 20+ years obsessing over the Fiasco Bowl and it's nice to finally turn that page.
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It was an amazing experience that felt like a sudden drop, poof at the end. It definitely left a bad taste. On the other hand, it was an amazing run. I'm truly grateful to witness Miami being "The talk of the town" again.
 
JD08 said:
Joyce takes a safety instead of letting the punt get blocked, they win by 2. That and Davis made the field goal, we win by 1.

Two plays.
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FrancisSawyer said:
Negative. It was the wrong read on that play and Beck knows it. Even if by some miracle Beck makes an insane throw to Marion for a TD. Are you seriously that confident that a 1 point lead would be safe vs that Indiana offense with 42 seconds left?

The right play would have been to hit Toney for the 1st down somewhere inside the 30 with about 45 seconds to go. We should have just continued to move the ball in an attempt to stick the dagger right in Indiana's heart with close to no time remaining.
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Good point.
Four back-shoulder completions to Becker at 14 yards a pop would have given them the ball at our 19 with 2 seconds left.
(sarcasm)

Hit Toney on the crosser or hit one of their cheerleaders were options A and B there.

Maxlmum Indiana fan ****-pantsing effect was Beck hitting Marion's outside shoulder.
First and goal from the 5 with 40 seconds left would have been fun.
 
ssvir said:
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On the punt that Bauman failed to protect. Seeing the guy that close, if Dylan Joyce had turned and thrown the ball through the back of the end zone, it would have been a 2 point safety instead of a 7 point touchdown.
 
JD08 said:
On the punt that Bauman failed to protect. Seeing the guy that close, if Dylan Joyce had turned and thrown the ball through the back of the end zone, it would have been a 2 point safety instead of a 7 point touchdown.
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That is an interesting take
 
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SFbayCane said:
Since we're dwelling here, I'm gonna post something in support of Alex Bauman.

I'm interested in seeing what his snap count was for a typical game and for the Natty game. With Lofton out for the Natty game, Im guessing that Bauman ended up playing a lot more snaps than usual. When something like that occurs, it's easy to find that his special teams play would suffer a bit.
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First, and this isn't directed solely towards you, I would hope that the Maudes would start auto-banning anyone who brings up Alex Bauman's name on this board. Like a straight red card. Gone. There is no real reason to bring up that loser's name ever again.

Second, I want to understand something here. You are somehow positing that the MASSIVE duties of a UM 2025 tight end (to whom we rarely throw the ball, but usually expect tight ends to block) and the MASSIVE duties of the deep blockers on the punting team (and, what, do we punt MAYBE five times per game, maximum?) are so confusing and strenuous that it caused this particular player to FAIL TO DO THE ONE THING ASKED OF HIM? Which is, to wit, TO BLOCK?

Sorry, I'm not going to play ball with this ridiculous hypothesis.

"A lot more snaps than usual". Good lord, the excuse-machine is running at full speed....
 
JD08 said:
Is it wrong?
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YES, it is wrong!

Unless the argument is that his brain was so scrambled by the complexity of blocking as a tight end that he suddenly forgot how to block as a deep punt blocker...

What is happening on CIS? Has it actually become so easy to make an excuse for one of the worst plays I've seen in 40 years by chalking it up to "but he got more snaps in this game"?

Alex Bauman was not some true freshman. He knows how to play his position(s). He should know his role(s) by now. Playing a few extra snaps this game did not suddenly excuse him from making a block he was supposed to make.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
YES, it is wrong!

Unless the argument is that his brain was so scrambled by the complexity of blocking as a tight end that he suddenly forgot how to block as a deep punt blocker...

What is happening on CIS? Has it actually become so easy to make an excuse for one of the worst plays I've seen in 40 years by chalking it up to "but he got more snaps in this game"?

Alex Bauman was not some true freshman. He knows how to play his position(s). He should know his role(s) by now. Playing a few extra snaps this game did not suddenly excuse him from making a block he was supposed to make.
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I said nothing to excuse Bauman. How the **** you can watch someone run past you knowing the punter is right behind you is completely inexcusable. The pure instinct of protection should have kicked in.

My take is that had Joyce not kicked, but thrown it out the back of the end zone for a safety, we'd have given up 2 points instead of 7. They'd have gotten the ball back, but would've had to drive the length of the field.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Again, that was merely the FOURTH game in a disastrous and repetitive routine. And three of the four games were arguably for at least a chance at a national championship.

I'm tired of everyone fetishizing what happened after the Fiasco Bowl IV. We won the Big East, the Orange Bowl, and finished #5 the next year. The real irreversible decline took place in 2005 when the Seventh Floor Crew story broke right before the GaTech game, when we were #3 in the country and about to win the ACC in our second year. We then proceeded to lose 2 of the next 3 to finish the year, and then opened 5-6 the next year.

THAT is the death-blow from which we never recovered in the Coker era, the Seventh Floor Crew non-scandal. 2003 and 2005 (through the point where we were 8-1) were pretty good years that are just ignored.
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Not to derail from the topic, but I have beat this drum for years. That '05 Miami squad was pretty good. Good enough to beat USC or Texas that year? Probably as from what I remember those teams defenses were a shade above average. Miami fell off a cliff after that '05 Peach Bowl and never looked the same until the hiring of CMR who made Miami look somewhat like it did before the nosedive into Marianas Trench of CFB.
 
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ssvir said:
That is an interesting take
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It was my immediate take watching the play in real time right in front of me.
Any NFL or high football IQ punter or even one properly coached by a ST coach, seeing a defender crashing in without a block turns and rifles that ball into the back of the EZ. Or just runs into the EZ and drops.

Bauman fvcked up, but Joyce also went way to wide trying to buy coverage time. With your back against the EZ, coverage time is not a luxury you have. Get the ******* ball out.
 
JD08 said:
I said nothing to excuse Bauman. How the **** you can watch someone run past you knowing the punter is right behind you is completely inexcusable. The pure instinct of protection should have kicked in.

My take is that had Joyce not kicked, but thrown it out the back of the end zone for a safety, we'd have given up 2 points instead of 7. They'd have gotten the ball back, but would've had to drive the length of the field.
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I'm not disagreeing with you on the point-differential. I thought you were responding to the poster who said that "a higher snap count" probably led to this problem.

But the reality is Joyce was committed to making the kick. There was no sign (such as the blocker being overwhelmed by the rusher) that screamed out "danger". If Bauman actually pushed outward with his hands sufficiently to alter the line of the rusher, then the punt gets away safely.

As for the length of the drive, people forget that a free-kick after a safety takes place...at the 20 yard line. Giving the return team an ample opportunity to set up a return and get out to the 40, or even midfield, as there is almost no danger of a touchback-length kick.

The only time I'd ever suggest that a punter toss the ball out of the end zone is when he sees an obvious breakdown in the blocking that is going to lead to an unavoidable block. Otherwise, many punts are "close calls" where the rusher gets within a yard or two of blocking a punt. Had Bauman made even a HALF block that alters the line of the rusher, then there would have been no issues with a punt block or even a tip.
 
RF-4CCane said:
It was my immediate take watching the play in real time right in front of me.
Any NFL or high football IQ punter or even one properly coached by a ST coach, seeing a defender crashing in without a block turns and rifles that ball into the back of the EZ. Or just runs into the EZ and drops.

Bauman fvcked up, but Joyce also went way to wide trying to buy coverage time. With your back against the EZ, coverage time is not a luxury you have. Get the ******* ball out.
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I don't think you can "turn and fire it into the endzone" from outside of the endzone. It would be intentional grounding and IU ball inside the 5 yd line. Joyce was kicking the ball around the 4. It's just not a feasible suggestion.

EDIT: It would not be intentional grounding. I was mistaken in the info above.
 
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