I find it funny how people attempt to discredit coaches...

[drifters1234]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

"[F]unny" like "ha ha" funny?

I find Golden's record against top 25 teams anything but funny.

 

[drifters1234]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

And WTH does "some of our best players are all underclassmen" mean?

 

[JackOAT]

Once again people with a little lack of football knowledge attempt to argue. You try to argue that our "scheme" blows. How do you expect a defensive coordinator to run a proper scheme without the proper players? Once again answer this question...Can a defense be successful with a QB turned safety in Highsmith starting in the secondary?

Another note on people saying Golden missed out on local talent and needs to make staff changes. How can you expect talent to come to a school with a pending investigation that took years to get over? Not only this but bowl bans. Explain to me why a recruit would come here when that is happening? Please come up with one good reason please.

Lastly Golden has made staff changes. Do you not think Ice Harris has been a great pickup for this team? Do you not think Kehoe, who this idiot fanbase was bashing the first week and are now slurping, has done a good job? For people calling for Coach D's head, I'll ask you again. What do you expect from a defense that was starting friggin AJ Highsmith at a safety spot. Does that tell you there is talent there?

Hey. Genius.

What's the difference between our first games and our last three?

Different talent?

Golden sucks. Fly the banner.

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

 

[JackOAT]

We are 12-7 combined against these teams,


End of thread. 7 losses Average teams is OK now I guess.

12-7 against that pile of **** used to get you fired here. Now, it gets faqqots excited.

And against those teams we are currently 3-1 this year but the lone loss to a ranked GT team where once again the QB play was **** poor.

I find it funny the team is showing improvement this year, especially the defense yet people complain. We can win a NC and people would be whining about something.

If we beat FSU and win out that will be the 4th year in a row our record improves. What will be said then?

**** poor QB play against GT??? **** poor is 64% completion rate? **** poor is throwing for 245 yards?


LOL@ he threw 2 picks in the redzone..... talk about revisionist history.... kid threw his second pick when the game was already in hand. You guys are reaching far to crown a guy who hasnt done **** and ****ing on a kid who has done very well.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

I guess I never really appreciated Al Golden the football coach. It was brought to my attention because of this thread that he is recently 12-7 against duke, unc, uva, vt and Georgia tech.

I really needed to chew on that for a second, and appreciate the things that man is getting done around here.

 

[Miami Nights]

Another Folden *** towel emerges from the hamper. Looks like the new mantra with Folden's Fckboys is that he's improved the record every year. It's odd that this is being so readily accepted despite the fact he's already got 3 losses this year with several games left.

The only thing Golden has to hang his hat on right now is that in year 4 he didn't go full blown Randy with with 5 losses. The season is no over and we still have FSU among others. 5 losses got Randy fired in year 4. Will 5 get Golden fired in year 4?

And I'd like to point out for all the cloud bull****, lets not act like we didn't have our own issues when Randy took over. We were just coming off the Pata murder, FIU brawl, Willie Cooper and Merriweather getting in gun battles, and even the Taylor murder. The school image took a significant blow from these events. We had parents who refused to let their kids come here, because we were thugs and their kids might get killed. That was a real cloud, worrying about your safety, vs worrying about some Ponzi schemer giving you money.

none of those things had anyone on ESPN talkin "death penalty".. sorry, you're wrong. all that stuff didn't even have us worried about missing bowl games.

You come off as a cry baby. Who gives a *** about talk? The point is there can always be something opposing teams point to as to why you shouldn't go to certain school. Wtf do you think howard schellenberger had to say to kids when he went out and recruited kids who were hearing things about the miami program getting shut down? Miami had no tradition to speak of, no championships etc at that point but he got the job done.

Golden has no ***** excuse period in my book as we have watched numerous coaches including two here ( davis and schellenberger) who recruited under worse circumstances and still got the job done. I'm tired of these ***** *** excuses when there are numerous examples of coaches overcoming worse circumstances.

 

[NVA CANE]

Don't waste your time fellas. Its like talking to a wall. Even divine intervention wouldn't make these guys believe the facts.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Once again people with a little lack of football knowledge attempt to argue. You try to argue that our "scheme" blows. How do you expect a defensive coordinator to run a proper scheme without the proper players? Once again answer this question...Can a defense be successful with a QB turned safety in Highsmith starting in the secondary?

Another note on people saying Golden missed out on local talent and needs to make staff changes. How can you expect talent to come to a school with a pending investigation that took years to get over? Not only this but bowl bans. Explain to me why a recruit would come here when that is happening? Please come up with one good reason please.

Lastly Golden has made staff changes. Do you not think Ice Harris has been a great pickup for this team? Do you not think Kehoe, who this idiot fanbase was bashing the first week and are now slurping, has done a good job? For people calling for Coach D's head, I'll ask you again. What do you expect from a defense that was starting friggin AJ Highsmith at a safety spot. Does that tell you there is talent there?

Hey. Genius.

What's the difference between our first games and our last three?

Different talent?

Golden sucks. Fly the banner.

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

Key players got hurt.

 

[JackOAT]

Once again people with a little lack of football knowledge attempt to argue. You try to argue that our "scheme" blows. How do you expect a defensive coordinator to run a proper scheme without the proper players? Once again answer this question...Can a defense be successful with a QB turned safety in Highsmith starting in the secondary?

Another note on people saying Golden missed out on local talent and needs to make staff changes. How can you expect talent to come to a school with a pending investigation that took years to get over? Not only this but bowl bans. Explain to me why a recruit would come here when that is happening? Please come up with one good reason please.

Lastly Golden has made staff changes. Do you not think Ice Harris has been a great pickup for this team? Do you not think Kehoe, who this idiot fanbase was bashing the first week and are now slurping, has done a good job? For people calling for Coach D's head, I'll ask you again. What do you expect from a defense that was starting friggin AJ Highsmith at a safety spot. Does that tell you there is talent there?

Hey. Genius.

What's the difference between our first games and our last three?

Different talent?

Golden sucks. Fly the banner.

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

Key players got hurt.

Any of them play defense?

 

[poncho0091]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

What I find funny is how someone tries to ignore the fact that the conference has grown worse each year since Golden has been here. When Randy was here, we had UNC starting to look good (**** that team they had the year they got in trouble would have been scary good), GT occasionally cracking the top 20 and even the top 10 at one point, VT dominating as always (usually a top 10-15 team), FSU was still FSU (usually ranked, but not meeting championship expectations), and Clemson starting to turn into an actual threat.

This is not to say Randy only failed because of that, but Since Golden has been here, UNC is on the decline and **** near back to what they were when Butch took over, VT is the worst they have been in decades, GT is about the same, Duke is respectable, but an above average team at best (and doing it with mostly 2 star players), Virginia sucks, Pitt sucks, Clemson is the not great this year. In all honesty FSU and GT are the only good teams in this entire conference right now and I'm being generous for GT. For golden not to improve our wins each year would be an abomination considering how good our recruiting has been even with the cloud.

Keep throwing the players under the bus to support the coaches. Noone told the coaches to start Highsmith. If he was that bad, I find it hard to believe noone was more talented. Stemo was looking like a potential 1st rounder the year before last and magically got worse and I'm sure it had nothing to do with us bringing in a rookie OC.

Keep harping on more wins if you want, but if that's all that matters, we might as well go to the Sun Belt conference where Golden might only lose 1-2 games a year and we could keep talking about improving wins since opponent quality has no factor to you.

I'm sorry but you just said Stephen Morris looked like he had first round potential. Check his stats please against any decent competition. I find it funny the defense everyone berates saved his *** against UNC/Wake/Florida last year while he was busy gaining personal foul calls.

And yes the lack of talent was that bad for Highsmith to be starting, please name me the talented backup we had for him

Who the **** said anything about stats. Stats don't always tell the whole story. What I'm referencing is the high note he was closing that season out with and entering the following season with lots of hype. This isn't just hype from us, but hype from the media. There were articles questioning who was the better potential first round prospect, Morris or Duke.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-morris-or-duke-johnson-a-better-nfl-prospect

"The Hurricanes' roster is starting to show signs of top-round talent, though. Senior quarterback Stephen Morris and sophomore Duke Johnson are two players that have the potential to change the 'Canes' recent first-round drought."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...s-winston-trumps-stephen-morris-in-qb-matchup

"Stephen Morris (6-2, 218) is averaging 209.0 passing yards per game, with 10 TDs and eight picks. He is completing 59.9 percent of his passes, a disappointing number for a guy who won the skills competition at the elite Manning Passing Academy over the summer. He went into the season seemingly poised to become a first-round quarterback, but it's now fair to ask whether he is even one of the top 12 quarterbacks in the nation."


Are you ****ing kidding me that the defense bailed Morris out during UNC and WF? Florida yes, but our offensive line did our offense no favors last year in that game. Did you even watch the UNC and WF games where Ebron lit us up for some record running the same route over and over and over? Did you watch WF game where they kept throwing the same 5 yard crossing route over and over and over? Those games are perfect examples of when many people realized how bad our defense was. Those games were the eye openers for many who didn't see the problems right from the beginning.

As far as Highsmith goes, it was not about the the fact that we had some talented backup, it's about the fact that people make it out that he was worst player in the history of DI football. I didn't say he or any of his backups were great, but if he was truly that bad, I'm sure someone could have stepped into that role, maybe even one of our cbs. The defense we run sure doesn't do him any favors, where we rush 3 guys and the qb has all day to look for a receiver. Qb's a could sit in the pocket and take a nap against us last year.

You started this thread knowing full well what to expect from people. You spout BS and try to ignore surrounding factors. I think as far as the pro Goldenites and the anti Golden folks, there are a few key milestones right now that at a bare minimum will either put the anti golden crowd to rest for a bit, or will carry the debate into the offseason. Beat FSU (or at least look like we have a shot), win the Coastal, beat teams that are actually good (Duke is respectable, but they are not good. There is a reason they only have 1 loss, but can't crack the top 20).

UNC was held to how many points against us? 23 points and that is with 1st round talent at QB position throwing 4 INTS
Wake was held to 21 points, shouldn't that be more than enough for our 1st round talent QB to throw for more than 190 yards and destroy a Wake team?

Face it if Morris actually had any talent like all those articles say, please dont use BR again, you don't think a NFL team would take a chance at a "1st round talent" and pick him up in the 5th round? Instead he's on the practice squad, I think he may have been cut, on an awful Jaguars team

Great job omitting the statement I made that a brand new rookie OC came in and he looked like crap after. I never said he was a true first round player. I said he was discussed in terms of a potential first rounder. As far as UNC you miss the part that they had 2 int as well, or the fact that Duke came out of that game with a possible concussion. You ignore that Ebron had 200 receiving yards at a 25 yd average.

WF, You ignore the fact that they threw for 300 yds on us and they were a horrible team. Ignore that Morris threw for over 60% and had no turnovers and most importantly ignore that WF ate up almost an entire quarter on one drive.

You ignore the fact that those games went exactly how Golden likes it. Allow the the other team to slowly and methodically dink and dunk down the field on us which eats up lots of clock and makes Golden's defense look great by keeping the score low. This explains exactly why we have such a bad 3rd defensive %.

I told you, Coley had **** poor play calling last year and did Morris no favors and it was obvious Morris's confidence was destroyed. Get off your soap box. I didn't come to this thread to argue, but I can't watch someone spew BS as the total truth while ignoring so many influencing factors and act as though everything they say is right.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Hey. Genius.

What's the difference between our first games and our last three?

Different talent?

Golden sucks. Fly the banner.

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

Key players got hurt.

Any of them play defense?

offense affects defense and vice versa. We couldnt convert on 3rd downs and stay on the field which hurt an already thin defense.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

Key players got hurt.

Any of them play defense?

offense affects defense and vice versa. We couldnt convert on 3rd downs and stay on the field which hurt an already thin defense.

Stop it. 36-9.

You're partially right, but just stop it.

 

[JackOAT]

people get better, true frosh QB play better..things start clicking.

so how do you explain our implosion at the end of last year...if "people get better"

Key players got hurt.

Any of them play defense?

offense affects defense and vice versa. We couldnt convert on 3rd downs and stay on the field which hurt an already thin defense.

What does converting on 3rd down have to do with letting Logan ******* Thomas go 25/31...What role does Phillip Dorsett and Duke Johnson play in stopping one of the ****tiest QBs from looking like Marino?

Offense affects defense to the tune of giving up over 500 yards to a one dimensional offense in Duke? At what point is it the defense's responsibility to play....you know.....DEFENSE?


cmon man you're reaching....

This was the only team in the entire bowl season to look WOEFULLY unprepared. No other team looked anywhere near as bad as we did with a month to prepare...NO ONE

 

[01rodric]

LRG has an excuse for ******* everything. Give it up.

 

[deleted3746]

Ignore these haters OP.

This is a great thread and I agree 110%.

Do your thing and put these mopey misanthropes on ignore.

Keep porsting!

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Don't waste your time fellas. Its like talking to a wall. Even divine intervention wouldn't make these guys believe the facts.

Actually it's more like talking to a faculty member or an employee.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Another Folden *** towel emerges from the hamper. Looks like the new mantra with Folden's Fckboys is that he's improved the record every year. It's odd that this is being so readily accepted despite the fact he's already got 3 losses this year with several games left.

The only thing Golden has to hang his hat on right now is that in year 4 he didn't go full blown Randy with with 5 losses. The season is no over and we still have FSU among others. 5 losses got Randy fired in year 4. Will 5 get Golden fired in year 4?

And I'd like to point out for all the cloud bull****, lets not act like we didn't have our own issues when Randy took over. We were just coming off the Pata murder, FIU brawl, Willie Cooper and Merriweather getting in gun battles, and even the Taylor murder. The school image took a significant blow from these events. We had parents who refused to let their kids come here, because we were thugs and their kids might get killed. That was a real cloud, worrying about your safety, vs worrying about some Ponzi schemer giving you money.

none of those things had anyone on ESPN talkin "death penalty".. sorry, you're wrong. all that stuff didn't even have us worried about missing bowl games.

You come off as a cry baby. Who gives a *** about talk? The point is there can always be something opposing teams point to as to why you shouldn't go to certain school. Wtf do you think howard schellenberger had to say to kids when he went out and recruited kids who were hearing things about the miami program getting shut down? Miami had no tradition to speak of, no championships etc at that point but he got the job done.

Golden has no ***** excuse period in my book as we have watched numerous coaches including two here ( davis and schellenberger) who recruited under worse circumstances and still got the job done. I'm tired of these **** *** excuses when there are numerous examples of coaches overcoming worse circumstances.

Why are you bringing up Davis? This same fanbase was flying banners to get rid of Butch, the same fanbase that is now slurping him

 

[UMFarArcher]

Another Folden *** towel emerges from the hamper. Looks like the new mantra with Folden's Fckboys is that he's improved the record every year. It's odd that this is being so readily accepted despite the fact he's already got 3 losses this year with several games left.

The only thing Golden has to hang his hat on right now is that in year 4 he didn't go full blown Randy with with 5 losses. The season is no over and we still have FSU among others. 5 losses got Randy fired in year 4. Will 5 get Golden fired in year 4?

And I'd like to point out for all the cloud bull****, lets not act like we didn't have our own issues when Randy took over. We were just coming off the Pata murder, FIU brawl, Willie Cooper and Merriweather getting in gun battles, and even the Taylor murder. The school image took a significant blow from these events. We had parents who refused to let their kids come here, because we were thugs and their kids might get killed. That was a real cloud, worrying about your safety, vs worrying about some Ponzi schemer giving you money.

none of those things had anyone on ESPN talkin "death penalty".. sorry, you're wrong. all that stuff didn't even have us worried about missing bowl games.

You come off as a cry baby. Who gives a *** about talk? The point is there can always be something opposing teams point to as to why you shouldn't go to certain school. Wtf do you think howard schellenberger had to say to kids when he went out and recruited kids who were hearing things about the miami program getting shut down? Miami had no tradition to speak of, no championships etc at that point but he got the job done.

Golden has no ***** excuse period in my book as we have watched numerous coaches including two here ( davis and schellenberger) who recruited under worse circumstances and still got the job done. I'm tired of these **** *** excuses when there are numerous examples of coaches overcoming worse circumstances.

Why are you bringing up Davis? This same fanbase was flying banners to get rid of Butch, the same fanbase that is now slurping him

No, it wasn't the same fanbase, and unless I'm mistaken, it was a fraternity.

Ignorance is not the virtue you seem to hold in high regard. Ever think about finding out something before you just regurgitate it?

 

[01rodric]

LMAO at bringing up Butch. Another strawman by scarecrow OP. Can't argue the facts, so he strawmans away. WOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

LMAO at bringing up Butch. Another strawman by scarecrow OP. Can't argue the facts, so he strawmans away. WOOOOOOOOOOOO

All of these *** kissing morons share that same trait. I mean what the **** else can they do? The facts and stats that support the argument against Golden really have no rebuttal.