I find it funny how people attempt to discredit coaches...

[HurricaneHauk]

So tell me

Duke
UNC
Va Tech
Ga Tech
Uva

Which one of those during Golden's tenure has out recruited us? I'll hang up and listen, genius.

Lets see and breakdown all those teams

Duke - Program with established HC who has been there for years now. They've beaten us 1 year, and we recently just crushed them

VT - Another program with an established coaching staff and established system, BTW we recently just demolished them. Golden is 2-2 against them

GA Tech - Golden is 3-1 against them, recent loss came because of **** poor QB play

UVA - Golden lost to them his first two years with awfulness filling the roster, we recently just crushed them as well

UNC - We are 3-1 against them, exactly why are you bringing this team up?

We are 12-7 combined against these teams, recently beating all these teams besides GT which came down to bad QB play

3 of the teams you listed we have crushed in Golden's 4th year, where he finally has some talent on defense. We held GT to under their season averages and to 28 points except our QB played horribly

So what was the point of your post

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Nice deflection, you're done

Nice try playing though

Calling out your deflection is a deflection. That's rich, Capt Strawman.

You resort to pictures and name calling as responses

You're done, once again nice try playing

 

[01rodric]

Tell me more about how much more talent our division has recruited, OP. Tell us. Please.

 

[01rodric]

Lets see and breakdown all those teams

Duke - Program with established HC who has been there for years now. They've beaten us 1 year, and we recently just crushed them

VT - Another program with an established coaching staff and established system, BTW we recently just demolished them. Golden is 2-2 against them

GA Tech - Golden is 3-1 against them, recent loss came because of **** poor QB play

UVA - Golden lost to them his first two years with awfulness filling the roster, we recently just crushed them as well

UNC - We are 3-1 against them, exactly why are you bringing this team up?

We are 12-7 combined against these teams, recently beating all these teams besides GT which came down to bad QB play

3 of the teams you listed we have crushed in Golden's 4th year, where he finally has some talent on defense. We held GT to under their season averages and to 28 points except our QB played horribly

So what was the point of your post

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Nice deflection, you're done

Nice try playing though

Calling out your deflection is a deflection. That's rich, Capt Strawman.

You resort to pictures and name calling as responses

You're done, once again nice try playing

So you don't deny your strawman nonsense? The record shows it.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Tell me more about how much more talent our division has recruited, OP. Tell us. Please.

Once again something you don't seem to comprehend, an established coaching staff which has depth at every position and has drilled schemes and such will win some games over a team with talented underclassmen and positions lacking depth. Even saying that we hold a winning record over every team you posted or recently just crushed them

 

[01rodric]

He keeps avoiding it. Revist my first post where I predict OP digs in heels and inserts head in ***. Thanks for playing.

 

[01rodric]

Tell me more about how much more talent our division has recruited, OP. Tell us. Please.

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[Jedi Master Cane]

Would neg again

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Would neg again

Aren't you the individual who would have supported hiring Petrino

The same guy who's defense are horrible and are flagged the most in the NCAA

But hey offense I guess

 

[Republicane]

Just out of curiosity, has Golden done anything wrong? Has he made a single poor decision since he's been here that's hurt the team's performance or the programs's direction?

 

[01rodric]

Just out of curiosity, has Golden done anything wrong? Has he made a single poor decision since he's been here that's hurt the team's performance or the programs's direction?

Good luck getting him to actually answer a question, or address your argument. I'm still waiting for him to tell us what divisional opponents have outrecruited us during our Golden Age.

 

[poncho0091]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

What I find funny is how someone tries to ignore the fact that the conference has grown worse each year since Golden has been here. When Randy was here, we had UNC starting to look good (**** that team they had the year they got in trouble would have been scary good), GT occasionally cracking the top 20 and even the top 10 at one point, VT dominating as always (usually a top 10-15 team), FSU was still FSU (usually ranked, but not meeting championship expectations), and Clemson starting to turn into an actual threat.

This is not to say Randy only failed because of that, but Since Golden has been here, UNC is on the decline and **** near back to what they were when Butch took over, VT is the worst they have been in decades, GT is about the same, Duke is respectable, but an above average team at best (and doing it with mostly 2 star players), Virginia sucks, Pitt sucks, Clemson is the not great this year. In all honesty FSU and GT are the only good teams in this entire conference right now and I'm being generous for GT. For golden not to improve our wins each year would be an abomination considering how good our recruiting has been even with the cloud.

Keep throwing the players under the bus to support the coaches. Noone told the coaches to start Highsmith. If he was that bad, I find it hard to believe noone was more talented. Stemo was looking like a potential 1st rounder the year before last and magically got worse and I'm sure it had nothing to do with us bringing in a rookie OC.

Keep harping on more wins if you want, but if that's all that matters, we might as well go to the Sun Belt conference where Golden might only lose 1-2 games a year and we could keep talking about improving wins since opponent quality has no factor to you.

I'm sorry but you just said Stephen Morris looked like he had first round potential. Check his stats please against any decent competition. I find it funny the defense everyone berates saved his *** against UNC/Wake/Florida last year while he was busy gaining personal foul calls.

And yes the lack of talent was that bad for Highsmith to be starting, please name me the talented backup we had for him

Who the **** said anything about stats. Stats don't always tell the whole story. What I'm referencing is the high note he was closing that season out with and entering the following season with lots of hype. This isn't just hype from us, but hype from the media. There were articles questioning who was the better potential first round prospect, Morris or Duke.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-morris-or-duke-johnson-a-better-nfl-prospect

"The Hurricanes' roster is starting to show signs of top-round talent, though. Senior quarterback Stephen Morris and sophomore Duke Johnson are two players that have the potential to change the 'Canes' recent first-round drought."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...s-winston-trumps-stephen-morris-in-qb-matchup

"Stephen Morris (6-2, 218) is averaging 209.0 passing yards per game, with 10 TDs and eight picks. He is completing 59.9 percent of his passes, a disappointing number for a guy who won the skills competition at the elite Manning Passing Academy over the summer. He went into the season seemingly poised to become a first-round quarterback, but it's now fair to ask whether he is even one of the top 12 quarterbacks in the nation."


Are you ******* kidding me that the defense bailed Morris out during UNC and WF? Florida yes, but our offensive line did our offense no favors last year in that game. Did you even watch the UNC and WF games where Ebron lit us up for some record running the same route over and over and over? Did you watch WF game where they kept throwing the same 5 yard crossing route over and over and over? Those games are perfect examples of when many people realized how bad our defense was. Those games were the eye openers for many who didn't see the problems right from the beginning.

As far as Highsmith goes, it was not about the the fact that we had some talented backup, it's about the fact that people make it out that he was worst player in the history of DI football. I didn't say he or any of his backups were great, but if he was truly that bad, I'm sure someone could have stepped into that role, maybe even one of our cbs. The defense we run sure doesn't do him any favors, where we rush 3 guys and the qb has all day to look for a receiver. Qb's a could sit in the pocket and take a nap against us last year.

You started this thread knowing full well what to expect from people. You spout BS and try to ignore surrounding factors. I think as far as the pro Goldenites and the anti Golden folks, there are a few key milestones right now that at a bare minimum will either put the anti golden crowd to rest for a bit, or will carry the debate into the offseason. Beat FSU (or at least look like we have a shot), win the Coastal, beat teams that are actually good (Duke is respectable, but they are not good. There is a reason they only have 1 loss, but can't crack the top 20).

 

[PAL305]

"**** poor QB play" really? He was barley on the field against GT.

 

[Canes21]

"**** poor QB play" really? He was barley on the field against GT.

And managed to throw 2 picks in the redzone.

 

[Miami Nights]

Someone told me the job shannon did here has no effect on goldens tenure. The fact that randy was terrible, and not a good recruiter, has no bearing on al Golden's results.

For being such a bad recruiter Shannon certainly did have a number of guys who ended up in the NFL including guys who were back ups here. Hmmm. And can you please explain what Shannon has to do with Goldens game plans, in game adjustments, pre snap alignments, play calling etc?

 

[Miami Nights]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

What I find funny is how someone tries to ignore the fact that the conference has grown worse each year since Golden has been here. When Randy was here, we had UNC starting to look good (**** that team they had the year they got in trouble would have been scary good), GT occasionally cracking the top 20 and even the top 10 at one point, VT dominating as always (usually a top 10-15 team), FSU was still FSU (usually ranked, but not meeting championship expectations), and Clemson starting to turn into an actual threat.

This is not to say Randy only failed because of that, but Since Golden has been here, UNC is on the decline and **** near back to what they were when Butch took over, VT is the worst they have been in decades, GT is about the same, Duke is respectable, but an above average team at best (and doing it with mostly 2 star players), Virginia sucks, Pitt sucks, Clemson is the not great this year. In all honesty FSU and GT are the only good teams in this entire conference right now and I'm being generous for GT. For golden not to improve our wins each year would be an abomination considering how good our recruiting has been even with the cloud.

Keep throwing the players under the bus to support the coaches. Noone told the coaches to start Highsmith. If he was that bad, I find it hard to believe noone was more talented. Stemo was looking like a potential 1st rounder the year before last and magically got worse and I'm sure it had nothing to do with us bringing in a rookie OC.

Keep harping on more wins if you want, but if that's all that matters, we might as well go to the Sun Belt conference where Golden might only lose 1-2 games a year and we could keep talking about improving wins since opponent quality has no factor to you.

I'm sorry but you just said Stephen Morris looked like he had first round potential. Check his stats please against any decent competition. I find it funny the defense everyone berates saved his *** against UNC/Wake/Florida last year while he was busy gaining personal foul calls.

And yes the lack of talent was that bad for Highsmith to be starting, please name me the talented backup we had for him

What I find interesting was that Shannon was such a bad recruiter yet golden, who is supposedly thi superior recruiter couldn't recruit replacements for guys like Highsmith. Doesn't he have a walk on starting in fentress? Lol

 

[DaU83]

Once again people with a little lack of football knowledge attempt to argue. You try to argue that our "scheme" blows. How do you expect a defensive coordinator to run a proper scheme without the proper players? Once again answer this question...Can a defense be successful with a QB turned safety in Highsmith starting in the secondary?

Another note on people saying Golden missed out on local talent and needs to make staff changes. How can you expect talent to come to a school with a pending investigation that took years to get over? Not only this but bowl bans. Explain to me why a recruit would come here when that is happening? Please come up with one good reason please.

Lastly Golden has made staff changes. Do you not think Ice Harris has been a great pickup for this team? Do you not think Kehoe, who this idiot fanbase was bashing the first week and are now slurping, has done a good job? For people calling for Coach D's head, I'll ask you again. What do you expect from a defense that was starting friggin AJ Highsmith at a safety spot. Does that tell you there is talent there?

Hey. Genius.

What's the difference between our first games and our last three?

Different talent?

Golden sucks. Fly the banner.

Well coached teams get better, true freshman QBs gain experience.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

This has to be the worst thread in the history of this board.

Be honest homeboy...are you faculty, on the staff, or related to the Golden's?

 

[luke137]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

Can't be serious. 55-52 between Temple and Miami. You are a troll.

 

[supacane]

Baylor had a warp speed offense, they score 50 points a game #1 and allow 20.1,a game #16. The offense is not responsible for the defense. We suck because we were at schematic disadvantage. LBs playing WRs and outnumbered at the point of attack. Coker left Shannon crap, Shannon left Golden less crap.

Each guy is responsible for his own tenure...no matter how people want to try and twist it. Golden is going to get one extra year because of the so called cloud.....that never rained. Our recruiting did not get significantly worse than at any point I can remember. And since the removal of the cloud it has not gotten significantly better. Don't say 2016, either. We still are having trouble getting difference makers in the front 7, like for the past 4 years.

###my advice for the slurpage.... Is to kindly wait till after FSU, I know you all want to put that Golden crown on El Foldo head but this is the closest team to FSU he will have in 3 years....they are not playing well and we are at home. Get spanked and there is nothing anyone can say to me.... Even if we beat Pitt and UVA by a million. Playing close to FSU was last year objective. If you are competent u beat them and avoid being 0-4 against them.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Say what you will but the coaches have improved our record every year. I don't believe it is Golden's fault Shannon left junk at this school. I don't believe it is Golden's fault recruiting depth was not evenly balanced out (4 CBs recruited by Shannon in span of 4 years). I don't believe it is Golden's fault we had NO talent at QB so we resorted to transfers to build depth.

Is it funny now that Golden has dug his roots in Miami the team has far more talent? Is it a coincidence some of our best players are all underclassmen?

Even with all the garbage that has tarnished this football program we have improved in wins every year. Say what you will with scheduling but wins are wins, and this is all with a lack of talent. Imagine the possibilities now that actual depth is being built and there is talent spread across the team.

Have their been growing pains? Of course there has but what did you expect with what was here 4 years ago? No coach would have won here with a Stephen Morris at QB and freaking Highsmith as a starting safety. A QB turned safety was starting for us and you guys expected good things from our defense, el oh el.

You statement is synonymous of those who can't or refuse to see the big picture! Lets take a look at the improved record, but lets start with record against ranked teams. Where's that improvement you spoke of? Fast forward to this season, where's that marquee victory? Before you go crying about talent, whose job is it to recruit talent? Whose job is it to at a minimum to keep the best talent at home? Whose job is it implement schemes that enhance the players chances of success? Whose job is it to develop talent? If you think beating dogs is an improvement then you don't get it son! Golden is below average in "ALL" phases of the criteria to be regarded as a good BCS coach.

Look at our recruiting class for 2015 then on the other side list just the number of "top" SoFl talent that is going elsewhere or has not committed to Miami. Don't kid yourself son! Golden is bad for this team and the level we want to get back to.