I can’t defend Manny

[Trafficante]

I stopped here, please read my post clearly before you respond.

I stated what is the most important and relevant issue. You can cry money all you want.

I read your post..in its entirety. No one is crying about money-your'e just refusing to accept reality. Why are you talking about autonomy & accountability, without accepting the fact that MIA has 50% the budget of other programs? In fact..MIA doesn't even spend more than UNC on it's football program. That's a middle of the road ACC coastal team, and basketball school!!!!

The tranny was hand selected for his position by the university, because they realize as clear as day, that a competent AD would NEVER take this job, and also be able to perform the essential duties of the position without committing NCAA infractions.

 

[jkdood]

I like Manny and I would love for him to be successful. Having said that the stage looks too big for him. It is extremely alarming to see his demeanor on the sideline. He looks like Bubba Baxa before a big kick. Shows no fight. Officials are ******** us and he says nothing. Kids see this... Give me something positive D.

I've "hated" the overly animated Dabo sideline theatrics for years. But I bet the Clemson fans love it, and the players seem to perform pretty darn well. We almost got Fedora who is also known for that energy.

Ahh, for the good ol days when Richt (finally!) lost it in the OB vs Whiskey!

 

[Consigliere]

I read your post..in its entirety.

I stopped here...Because money isn’t preventing us from incredibly low bars like winning the Coastal consistently.

I know, we would need insane money to get Mr. Hart or Mr. White.

 

[Mandingo]

Just an fyi jarren seperated his shoulder week 1 against ufag. = shots play through it.
Week 4 c Michigan seperated it again. = cortisone shots play through it. Well guess what, the kid can barely raise his arm & stays in immense pain. Jv as fvck that the staff refuses to acknowledge the injury so our simpleton fan base & national media dont turn on the kid & ultimately mess with his confidence. People are so quick here to **** on kids. He shouldnt have even been playing. Other side of the coin nkosi had 4 balls dropped by the defense that should've been picks as well.

I knew he had to be injured. Dumb *** coaches.

 

[WIN]

Just an fyi jarren seperated his shoulder week 1 against ufag. = shots play through it.
Week 4 c Michigan seperated it again. = cortisone shots play through it. Well guess what, the kid can barely raise his arm & stays in immense pain. Jv as fvck that the staff refuses to acknowledge the injury so our simpleton fan base & national media dont turn on the kid & ultimately mess with his confidence. People are so quick here to **** on kids. He shouldnt have even been playing. Other side of the coin nkosi had 4 balls dropped by the defense that should've been picks as well.

Say this one mo time for the people in the back!

 

[hcanes100]

Eye in the Sky

I stopped here...Because money isn’t preventing us from incredibly low bars like winning the Coastal consistently.

I know, we would need insane money to get Mr. Hart or Mr. White.

To be honest, I know nothing about them. They automatically are better than Blake James.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Richt’s record is 171-64 with a 73% winning percentage. In the five years before we hired him, he averaged 10 wins.

It didn’t work because he was burnt out. But he’s the definition of a “proven, prolonged winner.” The other guys who meet that definition aren’t available.

Our best bet is to get a guy on the rise. That failed with Golden but may work better with an offensive mind. But for every Herman there is a Fuente. It’s a wildly inexact science.

I don’t know if you are trying to spin or refusing to rethink your assumptions. We can agree to disagree about how Richt’s UGA tenure should be judged, but it is irrelevant to this discussion. Because we are hiring someone to fix and turn around our program. It should be obvious to anyone who understands assessing hiring decisions that that person isn’t a late career guy looking for a cushy gig whose only evident mission is to prove his prior institution wrong by calling his own plays.

richt failed multiple obvious conditions, record aside.

on the rise is helpful, but it has to be someone who can fix and build, not a manager who needs resources and expects it to work when he gets here.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Long way of saying we’ve been bad at football during Blake’s tenure. Everyone knows that. We were bad before he took over, too. In fact, the most expensive and successful coach of this terrible era (Richt) came under Blake’s watch.

That’s why this oversimplification is silly. We’ve sucked over a number of ADs, administrators and trustees. Richt was expensive. Shannon was cheap. Golden was a “forward-thinking” hire on the rise. They all failed.

I have no ties to the “admin.” I won’t pretend to meaningfully analyze Blake’s performance because I’m only familiar with one aspect of his job (the football program). My criticisms are specific. Why was the search rushed? The Temple job is not real leverage. We should’ve at least kicked the tires on a guy like Dino Babers. That’s an error in the process.

I see it the opposite of you. It is simple. What’s silly is trying to make it complicated. Complexity claims provide spin and serve defensiveness in this instance. The reality is we have hired incompetent people for reasons that should have been evident if we’d been honest about what we needed and what they brought to the table. It is not more complicated than that. We went with different vehicle models and different rims on the tires, but we didn’t bother look under the hood. So we think they were all different, and failed differently. Yet they weren’t.

 

[Consigliere]

I don’t know if you are trying to spin or refusing to rethink your assumptions. We can agree to disagree about how Richt’s UGA tenure should be judged, but it is irrelevant to this discussion. Because we are hiring someone to fix and turn around our program. It should be obvious to anyone who understands assessing hiring decisions that that person isn’t a late career guy looking for a cushy gig whose only evident mission is to prove his prior institution wrong by calling his own plays.

richt failed multiple obvious conditions, record aside.

on the rise is helpful, but it has to be someone who can fix and build, not a manager who needs resources and expects it to work when he gets here.

Richt was well past his prime before he got here. UGA was sick of the sub-par results during his recent tenure. It wasn’t because he never accomplished anything, but because it was a long time since he actually accomplished something. They wanted more and Richt wasn’t getting it done.

Richt’s prime or his best years were 2001-2007.

In his last 3 years, he only averaged 9 wins. Which sucks.

Here is Mark's tenure in a nutshell:

The Great Years: 2001-2007 (7 Seasons)
- Wins: 72 or 10.3 Wins Per Season
- Conference Titles: 2
- BCS Games: 3

[Please note, Richt coached less games per season during the above era]


The Sub-Par Years: 2008-2015 (8 Seasons)
- Wins: 73 or 9.1 Wins Per Season
- Conference Titles: 0
- BCS Games: 0

How about Mark's record against relevant coaches/schools?

Against UF:

2001: Spurrier 0-1
2002-04: Zook 1-2
2005-10: Meyer 1-5
2011-15: Muschump 3-1

Against LSU:

2001-04: Saban 1-1 (Doesn't play against LSU in 2001 and 2002)
2005-15: Miles 3-2 (Doesn't play against LSU in 2006, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2015)

Against Alabama:

2001-02: Franchione 1-0 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2001)
2003-06: Shula 1-0 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2004, 2005 and 2006)
2006-15: Saban 1-3 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014

 

[KingCane20]

Richt was well past his prime before he got here. UGA was sick of the sub-par results during his recent tenure. It wasn’t because he never accomplished anything, but because it was a long time since he actually accomplished something. They wanted more and Richt wasn’t getting it done.

Richt’s prime or his best years were 2001-2007.

In his last 3 years, he only averaged 9 wins. Which sucks.

Here is Mark's tenure in a nutshell:

The Great Years: 2001-2007 (7 Seasons)
- Wins: 72 or 10.3 Wins Per Season
- Conference Titles: 2
- BCS Games: 3

[Please note, Richt coached less games per season during the above era]


The Sub-Par Years: 2008-2015 (8 Seasons)
- Wins: 73 or 9.1 Wins Per Season
- Conference Titles: 0
- BCS Games: 0

How about Mark's record against relevant coaches/schools?

Against UF:

2001: Spurrier 0-1
2002-04: Zook 1-2
2005-10: Meyer 1-5
2011-15: Muschump 3-1

Against LSU:

2001-04: Saban 1-1 (Doesn't play against LSU in 2001 and 2002)
2005-15: Miles 3-2 (Doesn't play against LSU in 2006, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2015)

Against Alabama:

2001-02: Franchione 1-0 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2001)
2003-06: Shula 1-0 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2004, 2005 and 2006)
2006-15: Saban 1-3 (Doesn't play against Bama in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014

How about UGA is knocking on the door of a National Title 3 years straight, while Richt is no longer at the university.

 

[Ethnicsands]

That was Richt. Unfortunately, that prolonged success had taken a lot out of him and he was already making late-period Paterno/Bowden moves like hiring his son.

If Manny keeps trending toward failure, I would look to an offensive-minded coach with a clear system. We haven’t done that yet. But even that approach can go sideways. Chip Kelly is 1-5 and Fuente is losing to everyone but us. These things are hard to predict.

This theory that it’s about the approach is part of why we keep failing and not learning. We think we’re trying different things. Offensive minded, clear system ... okay ... but can he lead? Build? Evaluate? Sell? Charlie Weiss was offensive minded with a system. We need a head coach.

Ideally, I agree with you — I would like someone innovative schematically, and offensively oriented. But exciting isn’t required. (Not that you said otherwise.) Dan Mullen would have been a fine hire the past few times we hired. He’s pass oriented but hardly break the mold innovative. A fast follower can be okay.

 

[Trafficante]

I see it the opposite of you. It is simple. What’s silly is trying to make it complicated. Complexity claims provide spin and serve defensiveness in this instance. The reality is we have hired incompetent people for reasons that should have been evident if we’d been honest about what we needed and what they brought to the table. It is not more complicated than that. We went with different vehicle models and different rims on the tires, but we didn’t bother look under the hood. So we think they were all different, and failed differently. Yet they weren’t.

The issue is, you constantly try to look at things in a vacuum. It doesn't work like that. You can't judge the hires, without also taking into account the budget constraints. Even a coach like Urban Meyer would be behind the 8-ball at MIA. That's what I repeatedly try to tell everyone on here. Talent & Coaching are only part of the equation. There are a multitude of other factors that also contribute to whether or not a football program is successful. Also..which HCs in CFB don't need resources?? Do you know of some, because I can't name any

 

[Consigliere]

How about UGA is knocking on a National Title 3 years straight, while Richt is no longer at the university.

Simply put, Richt was not going to win enough games. He was only averaging 9 wins per season during his last 3 at UGA.

Even though he shouldn’t have been hired, Richt then came here and was unable to win enough games. He actually won less (per season) than his prior 3 at UGA. Then he gave us a tremendous gift and quit because he didn’t like the challenge.

Not that it matters, our last relevant season was in 2003. In 2003, we won our conference, BCS Bowl and 11 games (out of 13). It has been a chitty ride since that season. Richt wasn’t going to have a season like that.

 

[Ethnicsands]

The issue is, you constantly try to look at things in a vacuum. It doesn't work like that. You can't judge the hires, without also taking into account the budget constraints. Even a coach like Urban Meyer would be behind the 8-ball at MIA. That's what I repeatedly try to tell everyone on here. Talent & Coaching are only part of the equation. There are a multitude of other factors that also contribute to whether or not a football program is successful. Also..which HCs in CFB don't need resources?? Do you know of some, because I can't name any

You are falling victim to a logical fallacy. We may be budget constrained relative to sme programs. But the pool of candidates we could have hied from included some solid, decent coaches. We chose not to pursue them because we misunderstood what the program needed and we misunderstood what to look for in candidates. Dan Mullen would have been a good hire multiple times here. Butch would have in the past. Babers would have the past 2 times. And there are others. We ddin’t hire Randy or Manny because budget. Coker was highly paid back when, and Richt was. We hired them because we were delusional about what to hire for and what their capabilities were.

 

[BooBoo]

I've "hated" the overly animated Dabo sideline theatrics for years. But I bet the Clemson fans love it, and the players seem to perform pretty darn well. We almost got Fedora who is also known for that energy.

Ahh, for the good ol days when Richt (finally!) lost it in the OB vs Whiskey!

The look on his face at halftime of the CMU game made me lose all confidence. I literally found myself thinking during that game and yesterday's game, what does the head coach do when he has diarrhea from the pressure. Does he just leave the sideline and go take care of business? Those bubbleguts just dont leave after one sitdown! Things are real bad when you are worried your coach has to take a dump from the pressure. Then he goes on his press conference and says Perry' performance was uneven and other coach speak. You didn't stick up for your kids while the refs screwed them up and down the field, then you don't have the good sense to jump on the grenade and take responsibility for our performance. Our coaches were raped yesterday and you take no responsibility. I like Manny and would love for him to succeed, but the stage just looks too big for him. To compound everything, he has way too many guys on his staff that are inexperienced at this level. Enos was supposed to be his rock, and he was straight violated by CMU and Bud Foster. Friday will say a lot. I hope Manny is able to grow into the position fast because things are bad now, but they can get real ugly real quick. If he loses that locker room, oh boy...

 

[AHURT12]

Have you seen the amount penalties they commit? That shows they have no fear of the boss man

I just watched the Chiefs vs Colts. Chiefs have over 10 penalties tonight does that mean they dont respect Andy Reid?

 

[SayWhat]

We haven't had an actual relevant season since 2003. I don't need to discuss Dee, Eichorst or Hocutt because we don't employ them currently. I am only discussing the mouth breather at AD because he is still employed as the AD.



No. The error was hiring Blake in the first place. How many times do we need to promote a potato from a failed regime before we learn it is illogical and irrational? Again, the problem isn't the search. The problem is their employment. Blake and Jenn shouldn't be involved because they're not qualified to be involved. They have to go and they're the issue.

We deserve a competent AD with passion and autonomy. That is all that matters.

Blah Blah Blah

Yet another who doesn't know what he thinks he knows.

Miami football isn't like the other powerhouse programs with millions of donations from tens or hundreds of thousands of fans. Our donor pool is small and then there's some really big donors. They don't get involved besides when it's blatantly obvious that changes need to be made. When they reach that point, they make it happen. Big schools have tons of money and can tell the big fish to kick rocks if they want to as they've already got the money.

Blake and company operate in a space created by our financial limitations. When a decision needs to be made, they look for the funds to do so or are pressured into doing so by those with the means to get it done. We're just above a break even level, people forget this. So when a power player steps up to the plate, the AD on down listen.

You won't get autonomy here, it isn't possible. I'm sure there's brighter minds out there thsn Blake, but the money is what matters. That's where you've gotta look to see where the decisions come from. Someone who can see a future, successfully sell it, maybe that would work. Blake though, he's just a front.

 

[jkdood]

Well, been a dedicated fan over 50 years and haven’t seen such a sad state of affairs in a while. Don’t know the x’s and o’s or spend the season ticket money or know the Admin foibles as much as many here, but the pain (and joy) of Canes Football runs pretty deep.

I appreciate all the learned observations and insights; though painful I like transparency. I actually anticipated the UF game and season to follow with Tate or whomever was going to be a return to Glory. I almost thought of nothing else the entire summer. Silly Me. OK burst my bubble.

Seems like Manny was much better at stopping the leaks from Hecht and the players than the on-field game leakage. Seems like the lack of transparency (progress and practices and even injuries) just camouflaged what is a sorrowful product. Well, not going to get my hopes up any more until I read here some meaningful change is likely or underway. Thanks for sharing.

 

[EnlightenedDespot]

Manny Sucks. It was obvious in the first game. But he's the corch the fanbase deserves. All the howling about Richt and you end up with Shannon en Espanol instead. Brilliant. So glad we have a overwhelmingly coked-out fanbase with no real ties to the university aside from buying T-shirts and screaming about coaches.

 

[BooBoo]

Well, been a dedicated fan over 50 years and haven’t seen such a sad state of affairs in a while. Don’t know the x’s and o’s or spend the season ticket money or know the Admin foibles as much as many here, but the pain (and joy) of Canes Football runs pretty deep.

I appreciate all the learned observations and insights; though painful I like transparency. I actually anticipated the UF game and season to follow with Tate or whomever was going to be a return to Glory. I almost thought of nothing else the entire summer. Silly Me. OK burst my bubble.

Seems like Manny was much better at stopping the leaks from Hecht and the players than the on-field game leakage. Seems like the lack of transparency (progress and practices and even injuries) just camouflaged what is a sorrowful product. Well, not going to get my hopes up any more until I read here some meaningful change is likely or underway. Thanks for sharing.

Groundhog Day if you are a Canes or Dolphins fan. I have to spend my time more productively. Life is too short.