Honest question...

[Jassid82]

That's not true at all, when the Offense fails it's Richt's fault because this is his archaic offense.

Malik is a 5th year Senior that has already peaked & at his best was an average passer & Perry is a Red Frosh who has struggled a lot with accuracy as well while also flashing some ability. The symptoms show that both are playing in an offense that doesn't maximize the ability of the QB to hit targets consistently.

Next year when Jarren is the QB & is struggling in this same stale offense people will still be making the same excuses for Richt blaming the OL or whatever reason they can come up with.

Perry has not received the benefit of the doubt, most people on here have already thrown him away & labeled him a dumb low IQ knucklehead after only 3 starts. Rosier lost the benefit of the doubt because the sample size is much larger of him being a below average QB & even he still has his dedicated Pom Pom shakers who think he's going to rescue the rest of the season regardless of how bad he plays.

Most of the talk since the UVA game hasn't been about how Malik sucks, it's been about Richt's failure to be in year 3 & still not having an legitimate offense. There's hasn't been much push back on anyone who has teed off on Perry, there were lots & lots of fans who went to War all offseason defending Rosier's porous play.

I was one of those fans who capped for Rosier this offseason BUT the fact still remains the same..Perry has not looked good. Even in that FSU game his completion % was below 50%. Not sure why fans are wanting to just hand him the keys either.

We have the #1 D in the country. Maybe Richt feels that with a game manager like Rosier that we can ride the defense the rest of the year. God knows the D tried to hand us that UVA game with a bow on it and the offense just couldn't deliver.

I don't care who starts..just win. If Rosier finds a way to beat BC on Friday night we should ride with him the rest of the year. No more back and forth. This is the biggest game of Richts tenure. We lose to BC and the wheels come off this thing completely. Mods will have to shut this board down for a day.

 

[swampcougar1]

Defense better each year. Common denominator coaching. Offense and special teams still bad. Common denominator coaching..If t we do not have good players in place after two and a half years to at least look better it is on the coaches not the players.

 

[SinisterCane]

Both QBs are inaccurate but there 2 reasons Perry gets the benefit of the doubt

1. There’s still HOPE that Perry can turn it around where with Malik ALL hope is lost

2. Social media - Do not under estimate the impact Malik and his sister dissin’ the fans for his poor play, it changed it from critisim of his performance to taking personal

 

[am1640]

I think Perry looked confused by UVA's defense. He might have done better if he spent more time studying the offense and watching film.

Wow you were able to tell all of that from the 8 passing plays Perry took part in against UVA lol. You maybe better than the body language expert ESPN uses.

 

[jkdood]

saw something yesterday that seemed to indicate he has been getting better reps this week - I think it was one of the local papers in a practice recap.

Richt "reportedly" said that Williams was getting time with the thirds, and "more of it than he would normally be giving someone"...

 

[brock]

Both QBs are inaccurate but there 2 reasons Perry gets the benefit of the doubt

1. There’s still HOPE that Perry can turn it around where with Malik ALL hope is lost

2. Social media - Do not under estimate the impact Malik and his sister dissin’ the fans for his poor play, it changed it from critisim of his performance to taking personal

Miami fans sh*t on malik all day( a qb who beat FSU which is something we didn’t do the 7 years prior) you really think his sister not going to ride for her brother? Come on now

 

[streetja]

QB development program is in shambles. Leadership decisions re: QB are boderline teenager-ish.

Failure w/ Malik either: 1) didnt develop him in a manner he could respond to; 2) thought he was developing despite below avg comp %/decision making and then forced to play him because other slingers not ready

Failure w/ Perry/Weldon/Williams either: 1) missed on talent eval and brought in athlete "who isnt what we thought he was"; 2) talent eval was spot on but blew up in their faces, "we thought we could work with/change him and we were wrong", 3) didnt develop him in a manner he could respond to; 4) thought he was developing despite below avg comp %/decision making and then forced to play him because other slingers not ready

Richt's leadership decision failures are also a very real concern. You (I'm lecturing him now) have an underperforming asset (Rosier) who doesn't exactly have the best track record with you personally. The TEAM wins some very close games (some they shouldn't have) and you get caught in the run of wins.

You stick to your guns 4 straight losses with Rosier--all the same theme--poor decision making combined with even poorer comp % and awful YAC throws. By LSU, glaring is the lack of QB development with Perry/Weldon/Williams. How could you possibly have not had one of those three ready to go if Rosier's EXPECTED shortcomings came to fore during the beat down in Big D?

Inexcusable.

But wait, it gets worse.

You then bench, mercifully, Rosier and give next man up his opportunity. Perry shows flashes of greatness and mediocrity that culminates in UVA decision. You not only do not give Perry (younger) the same length of leash you gave Rosier, you GO BACK to the same asset that is EXPECTED to underperform.

The second you benched Rosier, you had an OBLIGATION to ride Weldon (suspension notwithstanding) or Williams as the #2. If you wouldn't, it a abysmal PERSONAL failure not on the QBs, but you as HC. If you couldn't, then its an abysmal failure on the QB development program that includes Jr and YOURSELF.

YOU are paid $4M to make PROFESSIONAL and CORRECT decisions.

YOU are doing neither at the moment, in what, Yr 16 as a HC?

Richt the HC has been making it impossible on Richt the OC all year long.

Missing badly on his evaluations, poor staff hires leads to an inability to develop the guy's he's got, calling off the QB race a week into the summer to then flip-flop QB's in-season, etc... This would be extremely difficult on any OC let alone Richt who needs all the help in the world as is.

Just a horrible combination.

 

[Suarez]

Highly touted RS Freshman vs lowly recruited 5th Year SR

That’s all.

This... Its about upside and anyone can see that physically Perry has way more.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I think it's mostly due to sample size and eye test.

I don't disagree with your line of thinking at all, I just think in response to the question you posed, most fans see the skill-set of Perry vs Rosier and become enamored with the physical talents that Perry clearly has over Malik (size, arm talent). And also, sample size. We've all seen now 15 games of Rosier, only 3 with Perry. We all know Rosier stinks, that's a fact that's been proven over 2 years. And even though Perry hasn't been much better in his limited sample size, we can only think that he does or doesn't stink. We can't be totally sure because we just don't have enough data yet.

So it's kind of a known vs an unknown at this point. I know one guy is dreadful. And even though the other guy might be too, I'm not positive, so I'll continue to back him because at least I have a glimmer of hope that he's not totally useless.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Perry is not the answer at QB. I been saying this since the LSU game that we will struggle through Perry, Malik, and Cade until Jarren is ready.

Only good news I've seen on this front is Jarren is indeed getting a lot more reps than a normal #3 at this point. They know he is the future and are just trying to get by with the others.

In terms of the offense, I know Richt can coach Offense. He's done it before. He's not currently getting it done, and it's all on him. He took on that responsibility when he brought in a green staff on O.

We just need Richt to find us 24 points a game and we rattle off 5 in row with our D.

 

[canefan]

Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?

Because we all have working eyes and brains

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Heres the dilemma of course Perry is more talented than rosier. But what good is that for us if richt is still going to go in a shell and call conservative plays with him in there? The last 3 games have been the most conservative in his tenure at Miami.

At least with rosier he would have the confidence of running a more wide open offense.
Edit: maybe not wide open but more open than what they are doing with Perry

He's calling conservative plays..because he's dealing with a Kid whos coaching in HS was Grade A trash...He's dealing with a Kid who isn't in the film room studying at a frenzied pace....He's dealing with a Kid who has not only terrible preparation habits...but terrible personal decisions....Then to make matters even worse...He has a Grade school QB coach.....Add it all together and you see why we're in the mess we are in...

 

[ShadowSpring]

We have the #1 D in the country. Maybe Richt feels that with a game manager like Rosier that we can ride the defense the rest of the year. God knows the D tried to hand us that UVA game with a bow on it and the offense just couldn't deliver.
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This is not that bad of a plan. Run Malik's legs off all night vs BC. Keep the ball, grind it out. The D will give us some opportunities.

Not the way I wanna play, but we can rely on the D. 2012 Baltimore Ravens style ball.

 

[brock]

He's calling conservative plays..because he's dealing with a Kid whos coaching in HS was Grade A trash...He's dealing with a Kid who isn't in the film room studying at a frenzied pace....He's dealing with a Kid who has not only terrible preparation habits...but terrible personal decisions....Then to make matters even worse...He has a Grade school QB coach.....Add it all together and you see why we're in the mess we are in...

So in that case going with malik is fair, he’s just going to have to play to his strengths and let him get involved early and make plays with some runs

 

[Empirical Cane]

Richt the HC has been making it impossible on Richt the OC all year long.

Missing badly on his evaluations, poor staff hires leads to an inability to develop the guy's he's got, calling off the QB race a week into the summer to then flip-flop QB's in-season, etc... This would be extremely difficult on any OC let alone Richt who needs all the help in the world as is.

Just a horrible combination.

Just perplexing from a $4M/yr professional.

This isn't what Miami paid for.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

This entire QB situation is inexcusable...This is yr 3.....I'll give you yr 1.....and I sorta give you yr 2....But in yr 3 we have
A 5th yr Sr who STILL can't grasp the SIMPLEST of Offenses....
A RS Freshman who runs around thinking his *** is a Gangsta, and won't take his Bow-Legged *** into the Film-room, but sure can study Social Media to no end....
And another QB, who either is smoking a Blunt...or sticking his finger up some Chicas ***, then rubbing his eye....
You cannot make this **** up....FML

 

[Empirical Cane]

...or sticking his finger up some Chicas ***, then rubbing his eye...

Are you saying you shouldn't do that?

You need to check your priorities in life.

 

[Ghostcane]

Rosier is a limited talent at best. Accuracy is horrible even on the simplest of throws. Nothing to do with Rick on that account. Last year, I felt Rick schemed pretty well given Malik's limitations in the VaTech and ND games. Problem is, the more Malik played, the easier it was to build a book on how to defend him. Pitt figured this out big time and made our offense very simple to defend. Defensive Coordinators who are highly compensated professionals were able to use this template and we have struggled mightily ever since. Lets keep in mind here that Malik is a borderline low D-1/D-2 talent at best.

As for Perry, he has been on campus for almost a year and a half. In that time, he has shown nothing to indicate that he has even average leadership skills or that he will ever be confused for Drew Brees in the accuracy department. He made a few nice throws in the FSU game which is nothing special. Jacory, Stephen Morris, Kaaya and Malik have all made some nice throws against FSU so I'm not impressed. Hindsight being what it is, it is alarming that given all of his physical talents, he was never able to separate himself from Malik. The decision to start him over Malik was based on hope. Nothing else. Recent revelations indicate that Perry has little use for the film room, no concept of what it means to be the QB of a program with the history and brand recognition of Miami and the responsibilities that come with such a position and that he lacks any semblance of maturity. How do you expect Rick to open up the playbook for a guy like that? Is Perry being made into a scapegoat for all that is wrong with this team? **** no he isn't. Facts are facts and the facts are crystal clear in showing that he just isn't worthy of being a starting QB at a MAJOR P5 program. He has beaten a scrub team in FIU and not looked very impressive in doing so, did little to nothing against NC on a night when the defense was so good that he didn't have to do much, was completely bailed out by the defense vs FSU and completely **** the bed vs Virginia. He is certainly no victim here and I haven't even delved into all the off field nonsense that is part of his deal.

It's easy for us to crap all over Rick for his loyalty to Rosier. ****, I also think the kid is a subpar QB at best. Ask yourself though: What are/were his alternatives up till now? You think he doesn't know that Perry is light years better physically than Malik? I'll bet he does. Do you also think he has known that Perry is an immature knucklehead for as long as he has been at UM? I'll bet he does. Seems to me that if we are going to subject Rick to honest criticism, the best place to start would be to criticize his poor vetting process in adding Perry and Cade Weldon to the program. Of course this is blatant hindsight but it IS a valid point.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Perry has his struggles but he makes throws we don’t see Malik make.

I think part of the hope with Richt was he was just hamstrung with Rosier, which is actually a legitimate concern. Maybe people were just waiting around?

I dunno. Part of the frustration with putting Perry in and not seeing it through.

It seems like Perry also tries to at least read the defense, may take him too long which is why he's been sacked some, Rosier just locks on to his first read and doesn't seem to come off that guy.

I would really like to see Williams get some real reps, we need to see what we have at the position moving forward. The grad transfer market may be where we find a guy to at least provide serviceable QB play.

 

[jar4989]

I think its because we see Malik make more decisive reads of the defense and then fire. The problem is that when Malik fires he is generally off target to an open man. Perry is having trouble reading defenses not named Savannah State, such as UVA, so the offense ends up looking inept. Malik has been missing open targets for over a year, but the fact we are able to get to a throw to an open man seems to be a step ahead of a Perry-led offense. Perry very well may also be having trouble getting into audibles at the line compared to Malik, which ends up in the right play vs the wrong play. I also think the running component of Malik's game is hugely missed. Our best games came when Malik had like 12 carries for 85 yards. Perry is a Popsicle stick out there and can't punish a defense in the same way. So many of our 'big' TDs last year came with the Malik draw up the middle in the redzone.