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TheOriginalCane said:
I'd buy that T-shirt!
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wspcane said:
You are 100% spot on. But this is also why Blake James should have been fired a long time ago. There was absolutely no reason or need to compress all of this into this forced timeline. If they canned Blake after NC St, they could have spent this last month doing these background checks without an imminent end of football season and a decision on Manny.
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it has been suggested that the process of vetting a new AD and related personnel started some time ago.
 
Cane6 said:
To clarify, are these baseball specific issues you referenced a Miami issue, or broader issues for all of college baseball?

I don’t follow college baseball closely but know the minimal scholarships available.

I’m just trying to separate the discussion points
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They are college-baseball-wide issues that have a particularly harsh impact on private schools like Miami.

Baseball is an "equivalency" scholarship sport (as is softball). Student-athletes get fractional scholarships of various sizes (the "number" of overall scholarships is so low - ELEVEN POINT SEVEN [11.7] for 27 roster spots - that it is incredibly rare for any baseball/softball athlete to ever get full-tuition).

UM tuition is currently $52K (I am omitting the room/board/books/etc. portion for now). If a baseball player gets a half-scholarship, he still has to pay $26K for tuition.

In-state tuition at UCF is less than $7K.

If you are a HS baseball player from a less-wealthy family, where do you think you are going? You can WALK-ON at UCF for less money than you would spend at UM as a "scholarship baseball player".

For the record, this issue has gotten progressively worse over the years as UM's tuition continues to skyrocket, while directional state schools still benefit from state tax subsidization.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
They are college-baseball-wide issues that have a particularly harsh impact on private schools like Miami.

Baseball is an "equivalency" scholarship sport (as is softball). Student-athletes get fractional scholarships of various sizes (the "number" of overall scholarships is so low that it is incredibly rare for any baseball/softball athlete to ever get full-tuition).

UM tuition is currently $52K (I am omitting the room/board/books/etc. portion for now). If a baseball player gets a half-scholarship, he still has to pay $26K for tuition.

In-state tuition at UCF is less than $7K.

If you are a HS baseball player from a less-wealthy family, where do you think you are going? You can WALK-ON at UCF for less money than you would spend at UM as a "scholarship baseball player".

For the record, this issue has gotten progressively worse over the yeas as UM's tuition continues to skyrocket, while directional state schools still benefit from state tax subsidization.
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Got it.

I was generally aware of all the individual components but thank you for bringing them together.

Jurich would definitely have the credentials to spearhead change
 
rsa coral gables said:
it has been suggested that the process of vetting a new AD and related personnel started some time ago.
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I get that and there very well may have been informal, back-channel conversations or even speaking with references, former colleagues, etc. But clearly they were not doing a full background check if the hold up now is actually a background check. If it were me, I would not be compiling all of the information to do the background check until the job was actually open. I am sure there are some executive recruiters on here that could speak on this process more, especially given Miami's decision to over-complicate everything by not firing him earlier.
 
fincane said:
Great to know the guy who would be the future OL coach took the time during the biggest game prep week of his career to listen to a chat led by of all people Manny Navarro. He could be distracted by a shiny nickel.
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should have been focus on Utah, good lord what a beat down :
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
They are college-baseball-wide issues that have a particularly harsh impact on private schools like Miami.

Baseball is an "equivalency" scholarship sport (as is softball). Student-athletes get fractional scholarships of various sizes (the "number" of overall scholarships is so low that it is incredibly rare for any baseball/softball athlete to ever get full-tuition).

UM tuition is currently $52K (I am omitting the room/board/books/etc. portion for now). If a baseball player gets a half-scholarship, he still has to pay $26K for tuition.

In-state tuition at UCF is less than $7K.

If you are a HS baseball player from a less-wealthy family, where do you think you are going? You can WALK-ON at UCF for less money than you would spend at UM as a "scholarship baseball player".
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You are so correct. College baseball seems to have tilted wildly to state public schools of late with very fewpvt schools that can get around the scholie limit like Vandy or Stanford being able to compete.

What are your thoughts on how well Miami SHOULD be able to do if they can get a full allotment of scholies for baseball? I think we'd close the gap with UF and even surpass them and regain elite status.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You and me both.

I'm not completely on the "fire Gino" train yet, though I know he is not performing at Fraser-Morris levels. I know how much Gino loves UM baseball, and I certainly hope that we can utilize Jurich to lobby for NCAA rule changes that will allow baseball to be more competitive.

Think about this, MLB is (arguably) the biggest revenue sport in America (I know, I know, they play a LOT more games), while COLLEGE baseball uses volunteer assistant coaches. The balance is insane.

We need to make baseball (and softball) "head count" scholarship sports, allow for larger PAID coaching staffs, and improve the TV contracts for baseball in particular.

Then, if Gino still puts up a .667 winning percentage and can't get past the regionals, find a new coach.

Hard to follow two HOF coaches, generally, but in the current rules system, which has allowed about 20 Florida directional state schools to narrow the gap on us, it's tough.
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They really need to make a baseball endowment, similar to what Vandy has used, a priority. Hopefully Jurich can lay out his plan to do that and get more funding for baseball to DiMare, especially through donors other than DiMare himself.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
They are college-baseball-wide issues that have a particularly harsh impact on private schools like Miami.

Baseball is an "equivalency" scholarship sport (as is softball). Student-athletes get fractional scholarships of various sizes (the "number" of overall scholarships is so low - ELEVEN POINT SEVEN [11.7] for 27 roster spots - that it is incredibly rare for any baseball/softball athlete to ever get full-tuition).

UM tuition is currently $52K (I am omitting the room/board/books/etc. portion for now). If a baseball player gets a half-scholarship, he still has to pay $26K for tuition.

In-state tuition at UCF is less than $7K.

If you are a HS baseball player from a less-wealthy family, where do you think you are going? You can WALK-ON at UCF for less money than you would spend at UM as a "scholarship baseball player".

For the record, this issue has gotten progressively worse over the yeas as UM's tuition continues to skyrocket, while directional state schools still benefit from state tax subsidization.
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This especially affects men because more scholarships are given to women to offset men only sports. My wife went to a private D1 school on a full track scholarship. I know in track, women are given more scholarships then men, and to your point, it is a lot of partial scholarships.
 
wspcane said:
I get that and there very well may have been informal, back-channel conversations or even speaking with references, former colleagues, etc. But clearly they were not doing a full background check if the hold up now is actually a background check. If it were me, I would not be compiling all of the information to do the background check until the job was actually open. I am sure there are some executive recruiters on here that could speak on this process more, especially given Miami's decision to over-complicate everything by not firing him earlier.
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Not an exec recruiter, but use them frequently.

Pre-job-opening, the conversations usually focus on "job description", and potential candidates and methods (websites, direct contact, etc.)

Once you take a "job application" and start interviewing candidates, there are some basic non-discrimination guidelines that arise, so you generally use a recruiter to do the things that you can't do (i.e., contacting prior and/or current employers, talking to references, credit check, past convictions, etc.).
 
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fincane said:
Great to know the guy who would be the future OL coach took the time during the biggest game prep week of his career to listen to a chat led by of all people Manny Navarro. He could be distracted by a shiny nickel.
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Everyone knows he was there for Susan Miller Dodobird, not Manny Navarro
 
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