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caneworld said:
Knew a girl named Cookie once....
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Went to middle/high school with a girl named Scarlet, she was a cheerleader for all my Pop Warner teams. Later in high school (once I had my driver's license), I had a summer job for a family friend, delivering concession supplies (popcorn, nachos, cotton candy, etc.) to various establishments around Orlando. One day a week the route was up and down "South Orange Blossom Trail", if you catch my drift. So I walked into this well-known strip club and I'm waiting for the manager to sign the delivery invoice, and sure enough, there is Scarlet up on the pole. With that name, she was destined for it...and this was back in the 80s, so I'm sure the manager hadn't checked her ID closely...
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You and me both.

I'm not completely on the "fire Gino" train yet, though I know he is not performing at Fraser-Morris levels. I know how much Gino loves UM baseball, and I certainly hope that we can utilize Jurich to lobby for NCAA rule changes that will allow baseball to be more competitive.

Think about this, MLB is (arguably) the biggest revenue sport in America (I know, I know, they play a LOT more games), while COLLEGE baseball uses volunteer assistant coaches. The balance is insane.

We need to make baseball (and softball) "head count" scholarship sports, allow for larger PAID coaching staffs, and improve the TV contracts for baseball in particular.

Then, if Gino still puts up a .667 winning percentage and can't get past the regionals, find a new coach.

Hard to follow two HOF coaches, generally, but in the current rules system, which has allowed about 20 Florida directional state schools to narrow the gap on us, it's tough.
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This is an excellent point especially with MLB contracting its minor league system. College baseball has changed a lot in the last 20 years and the quality is significantly better and even more so since they changed how they conduct the draft.

Miami is severely disadvantage under the current system. That being said the NCAA loosened needs-based aid and academic scholarships for sports like baseball. I know Vandy has a program called Opportunity Vanderbilt. If I'm not correct, Miami through its funding raising campaign is trying to increase its endowments, hopefully similar to what Vandy already has in place.

My son is a Foote fellow and was offered half tuition, but those are hard to come by. His ROTC scholarship is 100%. Expanding needs-based would be very helpful all-around. I know my son has told me they are trying to figure out ways to reduce tuition costs. Takes a lot of coin to do that. Maybe they are able to leverage U-Health, where U-Health also happens to have an academic university attached to it...lol.
 
stormsurge said:
You are so correct. College baseball seems to have tilted wildly to state public schools of late with very fewpvt schools that can get around the scholie limit like Vandy or Stanford being able to compete.

What are your thoughts on how well Miami SHOULD be able to do if they can get a full allotment of scholies for baseball? I think we'd close the gap with UF and even surpass them and regain elite status.
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Yeah, I definitely think that with "head count" scholarships, the student-athletes would then be able focus on the quality of the education and the overall campus experience during recruiting. I think that with UM's academics, small campus, proximity to the Marlins, and overall facilities and HISTORY of UM baseball, we would rapidly leapfrog all of the directional schools and catch up with UF/F$U.

11.7 scholarships for 27 roster spots is just insane. Also, for the record, the MINIMUM scholarship offer has to be 25% tuition. Which means you have already blown 6.75 scholarships right off the bat (no pun intended), and you only have "discretion" to spread around 5 equivalency scholarships over 27 roster players (ignoring walk-ons for the moment).

INSANE.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Not an exec recruiter, but use them frequently.

Pre-job-opening, the conversations usually focus on "job description", and potential candidates and methods (websites, direct contact, etc.)

Once you take a "job application" and start interviewing candidates, there are some basic non-discrimination guidelines that arise, so you generally use a recruiter to do the things that you can't do (i.e., contacting prior and/or current employers, talking to references, credit check, past convictions, etc.).
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Right, but could they do that last step while Blake was still employed and the job was technically not open?
 
Andrew said:
This especially affects men because more scholarships are given to women to offset men only sports. My wife went to a private D1 school on a full track scholarship. I know in track, women are given more scholarships then men, and to your point, it is a lot of partial scholarships.
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Yep. One of my best friends at UM was offered a partial track scholarship, but he was fortunate to also get the Isaac Bashevis Singer full academic scholarship, so UM was able to use the partial track scholly for someone else.

And let's not forget when Dave Maggard shut down multiple UM men's sports (instead of increasing women's sports) in the 1990s.

It's an incredibly difficult needle to thread. You would hope that with what is now happening in women's basketball/NCAA Tournament, and all the flak the NCAA has taken over student-athlete compensation, that the NCAA would be eager to allow more head-count scholarship rules in more sports, particularly sports that have a male-female counterpart sport (men's baseball has women's softball).

I've talked about this issue for decades, but it has gotten SOOOOOOO bad lately. UM absolutely DEFINITELY loses baseball recruits over tuition cost.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
This is an excellent point especially with MLB contracting its minor league system. College baseball has changed a lot in the last 20 years and the quality is significantly better and even more so since they changed how they conduct the draft.

Miami is severely disadvantage under the current system. That being said the NCAA loosened needs-based aid and academic scholarships for sports like baseball. I know Vandy has a program called Opportunity Vanderbilt. If I'm not correct, Miami through its funding raising campaign is trying to increase its endowments, hopefully similar to what Vandy already has in place.

My son is a Foote fellow and was offered half tuition, but those are hard to come by. His ROTC scholarship is 100%. Expanding needs-based would be very helpful all-around. I know my son has told me they are trying to figure out ways to reduce tuition costs. Takes a lot of coin to do that. Maybe they are able to leverage U-Health, where U-Health also happens to have an academic university attached to it...lol.
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I could think of a very easy way to lower tuition costs... lower the tuition.
 
wspcane said:
Right, but could they do that last step while Blake was still employed and the job was technically not open?
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I'm not saying "there is a law against it", but I've never seen it done in practice. Could POSSIBLY be different for Jurich, since he is unemployed, but most companies don't take any formal documented actions (advertising, interviewing, background checking) until the job is officially open.

A lot of big companies will let you fill out an application any time, and they "keep it on file", but they almost never do anything more until the job opens up.

This is a unique role, though, and UM is a private school. But at the same time, the guy who would NORMALLY oversee any hiring in the Athletic Department...was the guy on the firing line...

Strange situation...
 
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wspcane said:
I could think of a very easy way to lower tuition costs... lower the tuition.
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Ha! I could find pictures in the Miami Hurricane newspaper from the 1980s when we were protesting the annual 9.9% tuition increases (hey, at least it wasn't double digits!).

My Year 1 tuition was $8,800. Those days are never coming back.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
This is an excellent point especially with MLB contracting its minor league system. College baseball has changed a lot in the last 20 years and the quality is significantly better and even more so since they changed how they conduct the draft.

Miami is severely disadvantage under the current system. That being said the NCAA loosened needs-based aid and academic scholarships for sports like baseball. I know Vandy has a program called Opportunity Vanderbilt. If I'm not correct, Miami through its funding raising campaign is trying to increase its endowments, hopefully similar to what Vandy already has in place.

My son is a Foote fellow and was offered half tuition, but those are hard to come by. His ROTC scholarship is 100%. Expanding needs-based would be very helpful all-around. I know my son has told me they are trying to figure out ways to reduce tuition costs. Takes a lot of coin to do that. Maybe they are able to leverage U-Health, where U-Health also happens to have an academic university attached to it...lol.
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Thank you, sir. I realize that I am a sarcastic smart-a$$, but I know my stuff and I try to bring the facts and info.

I do think that the Vandy endowment is open to ALL STUDENTS. I made this point back when UM announced that it would give need-based aid at a 100% level for any admitted students who qualified. I said that it MIGHT help baseball the most, as those student-athletes tend to have better GPAs coming out of high school (don't blame the messenger).

Not sure if it has had much impact at UM yet. Hard to tell a baseball recruit "trust me, wait until you see your financial aid package in 6 months".

I would also like to see what the impact of "academic awards" is. Ole Miss (?!) is leading the way right now.

www.si.com

Ole Miss Breaks Ground on Post-Alston Ruling 'Extra Benefits'

The Rebels are the first to take advantage of the recent Supreme Court ruling allowing schools to hand down payments for academic achievements.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yep. One of my best friends at UM was offered a partial track scholarship, but he was fortunate to also get the Isaac Bashevis Singer full academic scholarship, so UM was able to use the partial track scholly for someone else.

And let's not forget when Dave Maggard shut down multiple UM men's sports (instead of increasing women's sports) in the 1990s.

It's an incredibly difficult needle to thread. You would hope that with what is now happening in women's basketball/NCAA Tournament, and all the flak the NCAA has taken over student-athlete compensation, that the NCAA would be eager to allow more head-count scholarship rules in more sports, particularly sports that have a male-female counterpart sport (men's baseball has women's softball).

I've talked about this issue for decades, but it has gotten SOOOOOOO bad lately. UM absolutely DEFINITELY loses baseball recruits over tuition cost.
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small note but you had to go all out douche and name the entire scholarship (full name of the dude) vs just saying the singer scholarship or academic ship lol. reeks of Wilbon calling MJ Michael Jeffrey Jordan every time
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not saying "there is a law against it", but I've never seen it done in practice. Could POSSIBLY be different for Jurich, since he is unemployed, but most companies don't take any formal documented actions (advertising, interviewing, background checking) until the job is officially open.

A lot of big companies will let you fill out an application any time, and they "keep it on file", but they almost never do anything more until the job opens up.

This is a unique role, though, and UM is a private school. But at the same time, the guy who would NORMALLY oversee any hiring in the Athletic Department...was the guy on the firing line...

Strange situation...
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Strange for sure. I do not think there is anything legal or illegal about it. I doubt Florida is a state that requires a job to be posted online. Like you said... just never seen it done and don't know that they would want to do that until the job was officially opened. It's not like they were only going to fire Blake if they were going to hire Jurich. The way they handled this was entirely *** backwards.
 
hoops156 said:
small note but you had to go all out douche and name the entire scholarship (full name of the dude) vs just saying the singer scholarship or academic ship lol. reeks of Wilbon calling MJ Michael Jeffrey Jordan every time
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Ha! Didn't even think about that. I just thought "if I call it the Singer Scholarship, maybe someone will think it is for vocal excellence."

Sorry, I was in President's 100 and led a bunch of tours of UM. I'm used to saying his full name, UM was pretty proud of that.
 
wspcane said:
Strange for sure. I do not think there is anything legal or illegal about it. I doubt Florida is a state that requires a job to be posted online. Like you said... just never seen it done and don't know that they would want to do that until the job was officially opened. It's not like they were only going to fire Blake if they were going to hire Jurich. The way they handled this was entirely *** backwards.
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I can agree on the ***-backwards. Only time I can remember us truly ****-canning an AD was Maggard, but that was pre-internet and he may have had plenty of notice to jump rather than be pushed rudely. And then we replaced him with an internal candidate with no prior AD experience (Dee), so we may not have even posted the job opening.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Let me get this straight. Using a ridiculous, obviously fake rumor you out of the blue @ me in the most ****ish post possible, talking about me batting .000 or whatever . Then when proven completely wrong you try to turn it into teaching me some preposterous life lesson about humility?

Lmao. What a clown.

Like I said, grow up.
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I mean... we ALL can grow up.

But I'm a Toys-R-Us kid. 🤷🏿‍♂️
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Went to middle/high school with a girl named Scarlet, she was a cheerleader for all my Pop Warner teams. Later in high school (once I had my driver's license), I had a summer job for a family friend, delivering concession supplies (popcorn, nachos, cotton candy, etc.) to various establishments around Orlando. One day a week the route was up and down "South Orange Blossom Trail", if you catch my drift. So I walked into this well-known strip club and I'm waiting for the manager to sign the delivery invoice, and sure enough, there is Scarlet up on the pole. With that name, she was destined for it...and this was back in the 80s, so I'm sure the manager hadn't checked her ID closely...
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OBT in the early 80s. You're right, they didn't check anybodies ID. I used to frequent the Centerfold...Don't remember a Scarlett there, but that was a few years ago.
 
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