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DMoney said:
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DMoney said:
Our most dominant line ever (2001) didn't do much in the pros. Sherko was a CFL guy. Bibla lasted three years, Gonzalez lasted four years, Romberg lasted five years. The only consistent starter was McKinnie. They overachieved in college.

By comparison, look at our 2013 line. Brandon Linder is the highest paid center in NFL history. Ereck Flowers, while extremely disappointing, has started 55 games and he's still 24 years old. Seantrel Henderson has started 28 games despite a ton of injuries and just signed a 1-year, $4.5 million extension. Feliciano started four games last year.

Talent is not the issue. It's been development and scheme.
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The 2013 line was good. Offense was mostly decent then, not great but just ok, we all know the issue in that era.

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Ethnicsands said:
Are you really suggesting that talent on OL hasnt been an issue the past few years? Does depth count, also. Even on your numbers, it’s one nfl lineman a year for 18 years. The other four guys plus the first three off the bench, they have not been good enough for most of that time, amd are not good enough now.

All these stats, they’re quirky interesting, but tend to support a false narrative, imo. Sure, coaching and development have stunk. That’s why we’re on our 5th coach in 17 years. But that is not all that has stunk. Recruiting discussions aside, our depth and roster balance and LOS strength have been awful during most of the past two decades. Roster holes, wasted spots, etc. Please do not tell me that Jahair Jones and Hayden Mahoney should be in our front five against LSU.

The truth is our lines have not been anywhere near as good as Alabama’s the past decade, and the truth is the reason is not solely coaching. Maybe the nfl stat is just misleading here. Maybe college performance is the question. Maybe our weakest links have been atrocious.
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Threads like this are about perspective.

Fans often lack perspective when it comes to their own OL. It’s easy to see a weak-link tackle who gives up a sack. But we aren’t watching every game from every team. They have issues, too.

Your references to Mahoney and the lack of depth only highlight the coaching issues. Why do we rotate more than the top teams? Why did Searels stick by Mahoney for two years? It only took Manny a couple weeks to send Mahoney to the Portal.

We can attract NFL OL talent at an elite level. The numbers confirm that. If we can attract elite prospects, we can attract competent prospects. Talent is not the issue. Our units struggle because of scheme, physical development and coaching. Those are things we can change and need to change.
 
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DMoney said:
Threads like this are about perspective.

Fans often lack perspective when it comes to their own OL. It’s easy to see a weak-link tackle who gives up a sack. But we aren’t watching every game from every team. They have issues, too.

Your references to Mahoney and the lack of depth only highlight the coaching issues. Why do we rotate more than the top teams? Why did Searels stick by Mahoney for two years? It only took Manny a couple weeks to send Mahoney to the Portal.

We can attract NFL OL talent at an elite level. The numbers confirm that. If we can attract elite prospects, we can attract competent prospects. Talent is not the issue. Our units struggle because of scheme, physical development and coaching. Those are things we can change and need to change.
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This is where your logic falls apart.

“If we can attract elite prospects, we can attract competent prospects.”

Perhaps we ‘can.’ But have we? Not nearly enough. We have brought in way too many useless OL prospects. Which is why our depth and weakest links are for isht. So we have not attracted enough competent prospects. Which is why your next statement is false.

“Talent is not the issue.”

Talent IS an issue. Saying it is ‘the’ issue implies there are no ither issues. I won’t do that. There are other issues also, including points you touch on. Coaching, development, S&C. They need fixing also. But brendan Loftus, Bar Milo, Jermain Barton, Andrew Tallman, our OL has been rife with guys who are awful.
 
Ethnicsands said:
It looks lime he meant least athletic. For you to dispute that, you’ll have to tell us which other position group is less athletic than OL.
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It takes insane athleticism to be able to run 5.31 40 with a 27inch vertical while weighting 315 and being strong as **** at 6'6. The percentage of people that weight 200lbs that run a 4.45 40 is a lot higher than the percentage of 300+ lbs guys running 5.31 40s.
 
When Rosier burst on the scene, defenses had almost no film on him. Miami had spent 3 years with an immobile qb, and now DCs had to spy the qb, which they never had to do before. Offense was "unpredictable " as in the RPO had a qb run threat. Really only took a few games for DCs to adjust, Miami probably should have been a 7 or 8 win team, but got crazy lucky in two games. Predictably was Rick's M.O., which is why he set a Miami record for 4 game losing streaks. It took him that long to realize that "MOAR BETTER EXECUTION" was not solving the problem.

You can't put the blame on the OL for lack of points or even fairly evaluate the talent level of the OL. I GUARANTEE an OL with five 4 stars who have played together for three years in an offense with misdirection and deception will outperform five 5 stars playing in a bland, predictable offense.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
But brendan Loftus, Bar Milo, Jermain Barton, Andrew Tallman, our OL has been rife with guys who are awful.
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This is where you show your lack of perspective. Every program has some useless offensive linemen on its roster. Bruce Feldman wrote an entire article about it. A college personnel guy told him that every team has at least five OL busts on scholarship because of the nature of the position.

Our problem is that our NFL guys don't dominate and that our competent talents (like Trevor Darling) don't provide competent production. We underachieve across the board.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
When Rosier burst on the scene, defenses had almost no film on him. Miami had spent 3 years with an immobile qb, and now DCs had to spy the qb, which they never had to do before. Offense was "unpredictable " as in the RPO had a qb run threat. Really only took a few games for DCs to adjust, Miami probably should have been a 7 or 8 win team, but got crazy lucky in two games. Predictably was Rick's M.O., which is why he set a Miami record for 4 game losing streaks. It took him that long to realize that "MOAR BETTER EXECUTION" was not solving the problem.

You can't put the blame on the OL for lack of points or even fairly evaluate the talent level of the OL. I GUARANTEE an OL with five 4 stars who have played together for three years in an offense with misdirection and deception will outperform five 5 stars in a bland, predictable offense.
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You make it seem like us having a running qb is a new dynamic for a DC to gameplan for like half the teams dont have dual threats. No game film doesn't mean that a scouting report doesn't exist they can go back to highschool to know that rosier was a dual threat so DCs would already be accounting for Qb runs. Our offense was never unpredictable we had that 10 game winning streak based on schedule, some luck(every good team has) and yes better execution. Richt play calling was never good but when Rosier wasn't throwing to the other team or 3 yards off the closest receiver the offense looked better. and we won games with the defense holding their end down.
 
DMoney said:
This is where you show your lack of perspective. Every program has some useless offensive linemen on its roster. Bruce Feldman wrote an entire article about it. A college personnel guy told him that every team has at least five OL busts on scholarship because of the nature of the position.

Our problem is that our NFL guys don't dominate and that our competent talents (like Trevor Darling) don't provide competent production. We underachieve across the board.
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We can just agree. I think you are selling a false narrative here. Our OL talent has been below grade. Yes, our coaching has sucked. So has our OL talent overall. Brandan Loftus shouldnt have gone anyone near a P5 school. You had pretty much everyone who saw him play in HS or camps who saod so. We have had more than our share of useless OL kids. Idiotic takes. Combined with not even hvong a full roster for years. Ad, bad talent and roster dynamic.

You cam go on thinking our recruiting is just great and it’s only coaching. It isn’t true, but maybe it’s comforting?
 
rokulika said:
Now this is a list

Mercier
McKinnie
Gonzalez
Bibla
Romberg
Carey
Myers
Winston
Joseph
Butler
Fox
Henderson
Franklin
Feliciano
Linder
Washington
Flowers
Isidora
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No A.J. Trump?


Just kinda felt like saying the name.

That's a fierce wall of linemen.
 
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For the OL unit, Miami has consistently had the following problems:

  1. Lack of an effective OL development program
  2. Lack of an effective OL recruitment program
#1 being the most critical and #2 magnifying the ill effects of #1.
 
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Heart of The Playmaker said:
The reason why Flowers rated decently is due to his run blocking which is upper echelon type. He is still only 24 yo and maybe a change of scenery will help. No question about his talent.
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Yeah hoping he sticks in Jacksonville. He did well when he was running blocking. Pass protection, um yeah not so much.
 
Ethnicsands said:
We can just agree. I think you are selling a false narrative here. Our OL talent has been below grade. Yes, our coaching has sucked. So has our OL talent overall. Brandan Loftus shouldnt have gone anyone near a P5 school. You had pretty much everyone who saw him play in HS or camps who saod so. We have had more than our share of useless OL kids. Idiotic takes. Combined with not even hvong a full roster for years. Ad, bad talent and roster dynamic.

You cam go on thinking our recruiting is just great and it’s only coaching. It isn’t true, but maybe it’s comforting?
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The false narrative is suggesting that talent acquisition/evaluation has been as much of a problem the past 20 yrs @ MIA as coaching has. Coaching always takes precedent over everything else. Do you honestly think that a program which has had woefully inept coaching, and has routinely done less with more, deserves or should have more talent? The part of the equation that you just can't seem to grasp, is that inept coaching, actually ends up creating a negative feedback loop when it comes to talent acquisition. How else can you explain the current perception towards MIA amongst our primary recruiting base? Elite players will never willingly go play for a coach or program that fails to properly develop them or put them in the best position to succeed. That's not how recruiting works. Do you know which coach or program can legitimately make an argument about talent acquisition or personnel? How about..Kirk Ferentz & Iowa. In the past 20 yrs they have routinely done more with less. MIA has not earned the right to make a similar claim. To assert or suggest otherwise is simply spreading misinformation & propaganda. Its actually kind of perplexing to see that despite the fact D$ continues to present you with empirical evidence that proves lack of talent @ MIA is a misconception, you unrelentingly still choose to cling to the alternative.
 
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