Gus Malzahn = SEC Champ yr1, Golden = 5th in ACC yr 3

[fincane]

Yeah...now it's official.

Bomb, remind us how you defended Shannon to the death right up until the end. Stop acting like the criticism of the current staff isn't merited...cause even if Golden himself isn't the problem, this staff was handpicked by him.

There's a problem when you lose to Duke. Period.

Fair enough, but can we stop acting like Duke this year, is the typical "Duke" that everyone beats in the ACC every year. This was their one year ever decade when they are actually pretty decent. They beat VT at home. They are a scrappy team that has had their best season in a LONG time. Lets not act like they were the doormat of the ACC this year, because they werent.

What's so different about Duke's talent this year? They're not a doormat because their record shows they're not a doormat? That's not a very convincing argument.

What? What kind of question/response is that? What is so different about the Miami basketball team's talent last year as opposed to previous years and this years? Is the Miami team that won the ACC in basketball the same Miami team we'll always see.

No. The Miami team last year had more talent than the typical Miami basketball team. I'm asking for some kind of evidence that Duke has more talent this year. Telling me they have more talent because they're getting better results isn't a convincing argument because it could be that the talent is simply looking better because they're better coached, or had an easier schedule, or had an elite player at a key position, or a completely senior-laden team, or ______ (insert alternative). Does that answer what kind of question/response it was?

It doesn't actually because Bomb never said they had more talent than usual. Unless I'm mistaken.

Lets use our basketball team as example. Everybody came back from an NIT team and won a conference championship. There wasn't an influx of new talent. Duke went to a bowl last year. They got better play from the QB much like we did with Larkin and Gamble specifically. Bomb said they weren't your typical Duke team. Our basketball team was an atypical Miami basketball team. So we weren't a doormat because our record says we weren't a doormat last year. We could've been better coached and more experienced but if we lose 20 games then we're a doormat. What more than W's and L's do you need for proof? You can insert any alternative you like because it is kind of a debate you started with yourself.

 

[The Franchise]

For all the dyck faces who love pulling up old threads, this dude Gus is the guy I wanted at UM back when he was the OC at Tulsa. The dude's always been a winner who produces incredible results everywhere.

 

[Stylie]

The clown show continues. Our fans are comical with their *****ing and moaning.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Top 5 coach in college football. He's fantastic.

 

[Cat_5_Cane]

I really hate to see Auburn have success, especially with all that ****ing luck they've had. Nothing's worse than getting away with cheating and then have luck on their side lol. It's a big **** you to all the programs that do it that right way.

Something else people want to ignore. The RAMPANT cheating that goes on at those programs. LSU, Bama and Auburn, its FOOTBALL yesterday, today, tomorrow and Forever. They dont give a F*CK about the rules, about what it says about the schools, the communities, etc. Its all about winning at those programs. Weve seen this movie with Auburn before. The year before the Cam Newton stuff, Auburn wasnt all that, then their boosters got tired of losing to Bama and not winning, they went out and threw some money around, and BOOM, MNC. They are in the dumps last year, now BOOM, they win the SEC West. The $EC is on a total different playing field than the rest of the country.

"Schooled" . A great documentary on the cheating that goes on and the kids that get screwed by the ncaa.

 

[LuCane]

Fair enough, but can we stop acting like Duke this year, is the typical "Duke" that everyone beats in the ACC every year. This was their one year ever decade when they are actually pretty decent. They beat VT at home. They are a scrappy team that has had their best season in a LONG time. Lets not act like they were the doormat of the ACC this year, because they werent.

What's so different about Duke's talent this year? They're not a doormat because their record shows they're not a doormat? That's not a very convincing argument.

What? What kind of question/response is that? What is so different about the Miami basketball team's talent last year as opposed to previous years and this years? Is the Miami team that won the ACC in basketball the same Miami team we'll always see.

No. The Miami team last year had more talent than the typical Miami basketball team. I'm asking for some kind of evidence that Duke has more talent this year. Telling me they have more talent because they're getting better results isn't a convincing argument because it could be that the talent is simply looking better because they're better coached, or had an easier schedule, or had an elite player at a key position, or a completely senior-laden team, or ______ (insert alternative). Does that answer what kind of question/response it was?

It doesn't actually because Bomb never said they had more talent than usual. Unless I'm mistaken.

Lets use our basketball team as example. Everybody came back from an NIT team and won a conference championship. There wasn't an influx of new talent. Duke went to a bowl last year. They got better play from the QB much like we did with Larkin and Gamble specifically. Bomb said they weren't your typical Duke team. Our basketball team was an atypical Miami basketball team. So we weren't a doormat because our record says we weren't a doormat last year. We could've been better coached and more experienced but if we lose 20 games then we're a doormat. What more than W's and L's do you need for proof? You can insert any alternative you like because it is kind of a debate you started with yourself.

What in the world? What are you talking about Bomb? I didn't address anything he said. I quoted Cane4Life who responded to JediMaster. I wanted to discuss Cane4life's statement that this is such a different Duke team. I think it's better coached, but I don't think they're impressively talented.

Now, I'm posing a question to you, after that weird last paragraph you just strung together: what is different about their talent level this year?

 

[The Franchise]

Fact: Gus would trade rosters with Al and kick Al's ***.

 

[AFCane11]

Morons rooting for Bama to lose.

Sure...let's have an FSU vs Ohio State NC game....only 2 of the schools any die hard Cane fan hates more than just about anything.

If this happens I'm gonna be ****** sick. **** mane.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

what is different about their talent level this year?

It's a year in which their top talent all came together at one time. Kind of like the ONE YEAR that a Mike Leach team actually made some national noise. Or like when Missouri was top three late in the season, ONE TIME. Sometimes it's not a sudden influx of talent, it's just a year when everything clicks. That's what we're seeing with Duke. They have excellent, experienced talent on the offensive side of the ball. But it's nothing sustainable.

 

[SBAMACANE]

they are light years ahead of miami on the D line

+100.............our Dline is epic fail on many levels!!!

 

[bomb]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

 

[The Franchise]

and might beat Bama. We can barely compete for the coastal in year 3.

Pure, unadulterated stupidity.

Golden took over for a guy who was fired for his recruiting. Or lack of it. We needed to turn the roster over. Add in the NCAA/Shapiro crap, and it's one of the toughest situations a coach could walk into.

I swear, our staff has enough to overcome. The stupidity of our fan base is just one more thing they have to deal with.

Great thread, btw. Smh.

Yeah...now it's official.

Bomb, remind us how you defended Shannon to the death right up until the end. Stop acting like the criticism of the current staff isn't merited...cause even if Golden himself isn't the problem, this staff was handpicked by him.

There's a problem when you lose to Duke. Period.

Fair enough, but can we stop acting like Duke this year, is the typical "Duke" that everyone beats in the ACC every year. This was their one year ever decade when they are actually pretty decent. They beat VT at home. They are a scrappy team that has had their best season in a LONG time. Lets not act like they were the doormat of the ACC this year, because they werent.

What is funny about everyone losing their **** about the Duke loss and all the definitive statements being made because of it, is the inability to learn from our own basketball team's success last year. Player for player there is no reason we should've kicked the **** out of Duke and the entire ACC last year. Transfer players, fat Reggie, Julian Gamble who Coach L would've cut when he first took the job if he could. The only NBA player was Larkin. The team had a magical run. That is what Duke is experiencing this year.

We've got problems but this is like if Duke fans went bat**** crazy after we won the ACC last year. "We should never lose to Miami, period. Look at their recruiting rankings. Look at ours." Forget about being bad Miami fans. Just bad sports fans who don't learn **** from even other programs at the school.

And there's the inapposite basketball analogy. Took 71 posts to get there, but there it is.

 

[LuCane]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

Are you saying they have more talent on their team than we have on our team?

 

[Odin]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

It may have something to do with us,VT,Virginia,NC, and the rest of the acc being very ****** except for FSU and Clemnson.

 

[The Franchise]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

That, and he's at fcking Duke.

Make no mistake. That roster is still stacked with ****. He's starting walk-ons at LB, using his RB as a LB, lost his record-setting WR and his other senior starting WR, is starting a new QB, and still blew Corch Al out.

 

[dookie blaylock]

what is different about their talent level this year?

It's a year in which their top talent all came together at one time. Kind of like the ONE YEAR that a Mike Leach team actually made some national noise. Or like when Missouri was top three late in the season, ONE TIME. Sometimes it's not a sudden influx of talent, it's just a year when everything clicks. That's what we're seeing with Duke. They have excellent, experienced talent on the offensive side of the ball. But it's nothing sustainable.

everyone seems to forget the time that wake forest won the acc and kansas made the orange bowl. sometimes the stars just align.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

That, and he's at fcking Duke.

Make no mistake. That roster is still stacked with ****. He's starting walk-ons at LB, using his RB as a LB, lost his record-setting WR and his other senior starting WR, is starting a new QB, and still blew Corch Al out.

So he has the same talent as always, and has been there six years, but just decided to start winning this year. Makes sense.

 

[LuCane]

what is different about their talent level this year?

It's a year in which their top talent all came together at one time. Kind of like the ONE YEAR that a Mike Leach team actually made some national noise. Or like when Missouri was top three late in the season, ONE TIME. Sometimes it's not a sudden influx of talent, it's just a year when everything clicks. That's what we're seeing with Duke. They have excellent, experienced talent on the offensive side of the ball. But it's nothing sustainable.

I disagree. I think a better explanation for their year is that all their opponents lined up to suck. They took advantage of it, so credit it to them, but I don't see a deeply talented team that came together.

Their 6' 230 pound QB who had never been a starter? Their backup QB who is a spot player to mostly run the ball (effectively, I'll say, in that well-coached system)?

Their RB who started the previous year, yet only touched the ball 75 times for 352 yards? Josh Snead, who is actually talented (b/c of speed), but came into the season as someone who was known more for potential than results? He was formerly the 95th rated RB coming into college.

They lost their best and most productive WR from last season. 5' 9" 175 pound Crowder is a solid playmaker in a sorta Davon Bess mold - more quick than fast. He's not some high level NFL prospect. He's productive in a very good system.

Their OL was anchored by two All-ACC mentions and 4 returning starters. Our OL is as talented, if not more.

I'm not buying into this. They did what they had to do by beating teams that couldn't put it together. That's not a deeply talented or especially experienced (relative to us) bunch.

Seriously, maybe you're seeing something I'm not. If so, show me. Who are the prospects? What is their experience advantage? *I see a handful of guys who'll get good looks in the NFL.

 

[The Franchise]

If Duke, who is 10-2 and ranked, doesn't have better players and a better team then usual then how are they winning?

Coaching? This is the staff's 6th year. Nothing has changed there. He's lost a ton if games at Duke and has a terrible overall losing record. Did Cutcliff start taking genius pills his year? Or has he been bettering the talent each year. They made strides in each of the last three seasons. He's a very good coach but it takes players. Which is why it's taken him 6 years to break through.

That, and he's at fcking Duke.

Make no mistake. That roster is still stacked with ****. He's starting walk-ons at LB, using his RB as a LB, lost his record-setting WR and his other senior starting WR, is starting a new QB, and still blew Corch Al out.

So he has the same talent as always, and has been there six years, but just decided to start winning this year. Makes sense.

Look at who they beat this year and get back to me. If UM wasn't a toilet, we would have beat them just like we always did. Pretty sure they didn't beat FSU or Clemson. What they did was take advantage of a horrendous schedule full of teams equally or more ****** than them.

Cu.ntsniff has outcoached us in the past and lost. This was the year that he finally broke through on us.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

Cu.ntsniff

This is what makes our fanbase a heaping pile of trailer trash. Is that kind of thing funny in your circle of friends? You know, the other guys who couldn't find UM with GPS and a tour guide?