Ernie McCracken
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We'll see how good they are on Saturday when they play FSU
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Gus Malzahn = SEC Champ yr1, Golden = 5th in ACC yr 3
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We'll see how good they are on Saturday when they play FSU
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Cal jimmy
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Two weeks in a row. Though, for the record Cal's walk off thru the Stanford band is best of all time.
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zone3cane
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LOL this comment just says desperation.... that's not even close to being true.
When has Auburn ever had talent loaded at every postion gtfoh....
1.) so the 2013 freshman class is part of the reason Auburn won the SEC west??? No.
2.) I'm sorry but 5 star players Cam Newton and Michael Dyer are no longer on the team from the 2010 recruiting class.
3.) Starting DE, DEE Ford, was an undersized 3 star LB recruit in 2010... starting DBs Chris Davis and Ryan Smith were also 3 star recruits.
Miami has just as much talent on the team as Auburn.... the difference is Auburn is playing in the SEC and beat Alabama after going 3-9 the year before in the SEC.
You Golden excuse makers are acting like we're saying that Miami should be good enough to beat Bama, NO lol we're saying Miami is good enough to win the Coastal and not lose and get blown out by Duke and VT.
Al Golden doesnt have to overhaul the roster either to compete in this pathetic conference he just has to overhaul his coaching abilities b/c the reason why Miami underachieved this year is b/c Al Golden is a below average Head Coach.
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No. We get outcoached badly and lose both games.
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Typical line from the golden crew. Maz is the real deal as coach and he's showing it. Turning that team around is purely do to coaching and he's getting it done. Yes, he has the hyped players but he's making it work by putting them
In a system that works. Why doesn't he get credit? Dude has been the man at every stop.
kmwcane
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Malzhan gets tons of credit. I believe he is one of the three best offensive minds in all of football, along with Art Briles and Chip Kelly. Malzhan is a genius and his offense ran circles around defensive gurus Saban and Smart last night.
But, as with most things in life, there are two sides to the coin. It is disingenuous to say that Auburn is lacking talent as a way to attack Golden. Chizik, for all his many other faults, was an amazing recruiter and assembled a staff of phenomenal recruiters. Chizik and Co. just couldn't coach the talent at all. Malzhan walked into a better situation talent wise than Golden did. A poster above selectively used defensive end Dee Ford as an example. How about we look at Auburn recruiting along the defensive line since 2011 to get the real picture of Auburn's talent level (I'm using Rivals as a basis since it is the first one that came up on google and only 4 and 5 star players): Gabe Wright****, Tyler Nero****, Montravius Adams*****, Ben Bradley****, Elijah Daniel****, Carl Lawson*****. A very nice group of talent if you trust in the star system. I can break down their recruiting at other positions but the results are similar (though their linebacker and safety play has been lacking). Auburn has talent.
Auburn is sitting in the great spot right now of having a talented roster and an amazing coach. The sky is the limit for Auburn as long as Malzhan stays.
All this to say that it requires good coaching AND good talent to win. It is not one or the other except in some very extreme outlier type cases. It seems like there are only two camps of people on this site when it comes to discussing Miami's defense, those that say it is coaching and those that say it is talent. The reality is that it is a combination of both that is plaguing Miami on that side of the ball.
The bottom line is that Miami needs new defensive coaching and/or scheme change AND more talent. It is not just black and white between coaching and talent. Hopefully Golden will correct these issues and if not, he will be fired soon enough.
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The difference between Auburn and Miami is COACHING.... THE END.
It's not talent level, its coaching.... Auburn still has areas that they could improve their level of talent on the field at but yet they still figured out a way to win the SEC WEST.
And even though no one wouldve said Auburn is loaded w/ talent at every position before, now thats the reason Auburn is so good this year....lol c'mon Golden worshipers try harder.
A team that's well coached gets visibly better during the season.... Auburn would have gotten raped by Bama if they played in the beginning of the season. But as the season progresses, a good coach will have their team playing better on both sides of the ball and thats what happened when they played Bama this past Saturday.
Auburn had no real expectations from the SEC media or their fan base.... they just came from a 3-9 season. I didnt see Gus Malzahn crying about how "it's a process" "we're still building" when they lost to LSU by 14, unlike Al Golden when Miami lost to Duke by 18. smh
Miami will never get back to being a team playing at an elite level as long as u have coaches and fans that applaud mediocrity and make excuses about every weak thing imaginable.
It's not talent level, its coaching.... Auburn still has areas that they could improve their level of talent on the field at but yet they still figured out a way to win the SEC WEST.
And even though no one wouldve said Auburn is loaded w/ talent at every position before, now thats the reason Auburn is so good this year....lol c'mon Golden worshipers try harder.
A team that's well coached gets visibly better during the season.... Auburn would have gotten raped by Bama if they played in the beginning of the season. But as the season progresses, a good coach will have their team playing better on both sides of the ball and thats what happened when they played Bama this past Saturday.
Auburn had no real expectations from the SEC media or their fan base.... they just came from a 3-9 season. I didnt see Gus Malzahn crying about how "it's a process" "we're still building" when they lost to LSU by 14, unlike Al Golden when Miami lost to Duke by 18. smh
Miami will never get back to being a team playing at an elite level as long as u have coaches and fans that applaud mediocrity and make excuses about every weak thing imaginable.
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In other words the situations at the two schools are identical and the coaches should be measured on an equal basis with no consideration for preexisting circumstances.
Nice post.
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Golden inherited a more difficult situation by far than Malzahn did. But Golden in his third year should have been able to achieve what Malzahn achieved in his first year which is to win his division. And that is a reflection of superior coaching by Malzahn.
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The only "preexisting circumstances" i see coming into this season was Auburn being 3-9 last year and Miami being 7-5 w/ the expectation of winning the Coastal this season b/c we technically won it last season by default.....
The other stuff you Golden protectors keep making excuses about is just bull**** that you all are going to have in ur pockets to use as an excuse for another decade.... the Shannon era was 4 years ago, it's not real.
The only thing real about the situation is that Golden has failed to keep top recruits from decommitting from Miami, failed to develop the players to fit in his pathetic defensive scheme, and recruit talent that wont get kicked off the team.
All of that is on him, when players commit to Miami when they know about the "NCAA cloud" but then decommit to another school that just means you were out recruited by other coaches. Nobody knows who these phantom recruits are that got away b/c of the "Toxic NCAA Cloud" ... Goldens words. Its just excuses.
The Coastal division is the weakest division in the BCS, but yet you really think it's rational to believe in all of these excuses that you come up with so easily, as a reason why Miami isnt ready to compete in this division???
The other stuff you Golden protectors keep making excuses about is just bull**** that you all are going to have in ur pockets to use as an excuse for another decade.... the Shannon era was 4 years ago, it's not real.
The only thing real about the situation is that Golden has failed to keep top recruits from decommitting from Miami, failed to develop the players to fit in his pathetic defensive scheme, and recruit talent that wont get kicked off the team.
All of that is on him, when players commit to Miami when they know about the "NCAA cloud" but then decommit to another school that just means you were out recruited by other coaches. Nobody knows who these phantom recruits are that got away b/c of the "Toxic NCAA Cloud" ... Goldens words. Its just excuses.
The Coastal division is the weakest division in the BCS, but yet you really think it's rational to believe in all of these excuses that you come up with so easily, as a reason why Miami isnt ready to compete in this division???
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He's to thank Mitch Mustain.
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Why? Cause "we da U (insert chest thump)" or some other bullshyt like that?
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c'mon Dandy you can do better then this smh
how about b/c Duke has 100% less talent and won the Coastal , stop acting like a bich and just accept the fact that Golden is a terrible Head Coach.
how about b/c every coach in CFB, except when it comes to Goldens, is judged by what the team looks like in year 3 and 4. Where is the progress? oh I know it's the NCAA's and Randy's fault... lol hilairious.
what about UTOUGH? lmao...... u clowns been on the internet most of ur adult lives and still dont know when ur being trolled. Golden is a fraud, let it go.
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kmwcane
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I assume this response was directed at my post. The difference between Miami and Auburn is coaching AND talent. I said Auburn is better because of coaching and talent, not one or the other, several times in my post.
You make assorted claims regarding talent levels but not once in my post did I say that Auburn is loaded at every position. They do, however, have more talent than Miami on defense and as a program overall. You claim they (Auburn) don't yet you offer no evidence to prove otherwise. I can provide more "star" rankings if you want to back up my point.
As for Malzhan quotes after the loss to LSU, even a cursory glance from a google search doesn't support your contention. Malzhan made some classic coach speak comments after the loss. For example, "We have been talking about improving each practice and each game, and even though it hurts right now I think there were some good things out there that we could improve upon for the rest of the year." Or "I am very proud of our guys, and with the attitude they have we have a chance to get better and improve. Even though it feels bad right now, we have an off week, and we can clean some things up and move forward." Sounds an awful lot like the things that Golden and almost every other coach say after a loss.
The facts are that Malzhan came into a much better situation than Golden did talent wise and condition of the program wise. In addition, Malzhan is better than 99.9% of all coaches in football so their return to prominence is not as shocking to anyone that actually analyzes the situation. If you honestly believe the only difference in the situations at each school is their records then it really is pointless to discuss this topic further with you. Looking at your posts, it is quite clear that you have an anti-Golden agenda and will not let facts and reason persuade you otherwise so I am sure this was just a waste of bandwith but thought it deserved to be stated.
Miami's issue is defensive coaching AND defensive talent. Any objective observer can see that. Miami needs better schemes and better talent at every position besides CB. Golden must correct these, because it is his job to do so, or he should be fired. In my opinion, he deserves another year or two in order to correct these problems or he should be fired. He deserves this time because he had the NCAA investigation to contend with that hampered Miami more than most can imagine.
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I actually thought I was being thoughtful of Golden's circumstances by saying year 3. Lulz. Its the coastal division. Three years in, Golden had two opportunities to win it and failed. He has access to better players than any other team in the coastal. When given 2 opportunities to win the coastal he **** sure better take advantage of one of them and he didn't. Thats a failure not cause we are the U or any of that bull**** but because he had two chances against teams that at most have an equal level of talent as Miami does on both sides of the ball.