GT is this bad..

Actually think we roll in this one, they’re hapless..

Agree. Watched them a few times this year; including Citadel beating them in overtime. They are not a good football team; like next-level bad.

Hopefully Miami stays focused and can come in and take care of business again a dog before things ramp up with road games at Pittsburgh and Florida State. Last home weekend for a while to work out any kinks.
 
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Let's see what happen last time we played a terrible division rival, oh yeah VT sucked until they played us. Did the odds makers not watch our games this year?
 
Let's see what happen last time we played a terrible division rival, oh yeah VT sucked until they played us. Did the odds makers not watch our games this year?

Oddsmakers don't watch games. They compile power ratings and robotically apply them to each game

The Canes could have looked awesome in every game and won every game by 50 points with the fanbase enthralled by Manny Diaz. If the power ratings said 17.5 -- or thereabouts -- against Georgia Tech, that is what it would be.

I use 17.5 because that's the current number now. There's been some money on Georgia Tech today
 
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We always play down with our opponents. So this game will be close

True statement.

Even in Miami's dominant days, you could always count on a few games where the Canes should have won by 30 to only secure the W on last minute TD or FG.
 
Oddsmakers don't watch games. They compile power ratings and robotically apply them to each game

The Canes could have looked awesome in every game and won every game by 50 points with the fanbase enthralled by Manny Diaz. If the power ratings said 17.5 -- or thereabouts -- against Georgia Tech, that is what it would be.

I use 17.5 because that's the current number now. There's been some money on Georgia Tech today

Opened Miami... -19 1/2. So yep, the HIGH ROLLERS, also, know Miami plays down to it's level of competition. I'm guessing these Wise Guys are taking into consideration, that Miami may be " looking ahead " to next weeks game against Pitt.
 
Oddsmakers don't watch games. They compile power ratings and robotically apply them to each game

The Canes could have looked awesome in every game and won every game by 50 points with the fanbase enthralled by Manny Diaz. If the power ratings said 17.5 -- or thereabouts -- against Georgia Tech, that is what it would be.

I use 17.5 because that's the current number now. There's been some money on Georgia Tech today
Good thing I don't bet football. Back in the day I made occasional large bets on selected Cane games. Almost always it was when they were playing number one -- surest bet there was back then. They always played their best game.
 
Good thing I don't bet football. Back in the day I made occasional large bets on selected Cane games. Almost always it was when they were playing number one -- surest bet there was back then. They always played their best game.

The Canes were great investment in those years. No question about it. Miami opened 1986 by covering the first 9 in a row. There was an older guy named Jack who I met in Las Vegas at the wise guy sportsbook called Churchill Downs. He was fascinated by the Canes and loved to talk to me since I was from Miami and a long time Canes fan. Jack was convinced the Canes would cover every game all season and win the national championship.

Then it went the other direction. The Canes won the last two regular season games but didn't come close to covering either one of them. Definitely some sluggish qualities had crept in. Jack was concerned for a few weeks. But then he tried to pretend everything was okay when Churchill Downs opened Miami -7.5 in the Fiesta Bowl versus Penn State. All the other major joints were using -7. Jack insisted that was a great sign for Miami, since Churchill had a long history of opening bowl numbers that were sharper than typical and hinted toward the outcome.

I told Jack I hadn't been in town long enough to evaluate any thing like that. I'd take his word for it.

Jack was crushed when Penn State won that game. Then he died a year or two later. I really don't remember if he lived to see the Canes championship the following year. Once his health began to fail I didn't see him at Churchill anymore.

When I started appearing as guest analyst on the Stardust Line radio program in fall 1988 the chief oddsmaker Roxy Roxborough was cohost on that program. He knew I was from Miami. Heck, Roxy's parents lived in Coral Gables. His dream at that point was to eventually retire to Coral Gables. But later he got obsessed with hitting Pick Six race wagers so that took him out of the country, as far as I know.

Roxy didn't understand the big line move that year on Miami versus Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. He thought he opened it too high then the bettors pushed it even higher. There was no national championship at stake for the Canes. I forget exactly but I think Roxy preferred something like -5.5, he opened it -6.5, but now it was Miami -8.5. Several points higher than he believed proper anyway. On that Stardust Line program Roxy was basically miffed and thought the bettors screwed up. He challenged me about it and asked what the heck was going on. I said (paraphrased), "Roxy, that Orange Bowl atmosphere is overwhelming. It's not going away merely because a championship is not on the line. In competitive games Miami at home has been underpriced for years. Ridiculously underpriced. You should basically double the home field advantage. Start from there. That will get you closer to where the line should be."

He basically accepted it. I was surprised. Roxy was always feisty on that program. This time he said, "Okay, I see."

That was it. He was always taking notes on that show. I always wondered what they were.

Then as soon as the program ended I was chastised by several of my friends. They were telling me to shut up on that program. Don't be telling the chief oddsmaker he's undercutting the home field edge in the Orange Bowl.

I was at the game. Miami won and covered easily.

A decade or so later a guy named Kenny White took over as Nevada chief oddsmaker. I don't know him and have never met him. He always kept a lower profile instead of appearing on radio shows, etc.
 
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@mackjones if you disagree with my prediction I'm happy to hear why. I'm not an expert score prognosticator but it's hard to imagine this offense steamrolling any team based on what we've seen thus far.
 
This will be alot closer than people think...you literally cannot predict our performances now in the "good" column.
 
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I am really worried about this game. Coming off the VA win I hope this team does not lose focus. Hopefully his coaching staff has turned a corner and prepares our squad to play a solid game and not take any opponent likely.
 
I am really worried about this game. Coming off the VA win I hope this team does not lose focus. Hopefully his coaching staff has turned a corner and prepares our squad to play a solid game and not take any opponent likely.
R-E-L-A-X
 
Oddsmakers don't watch games. They compile power ratings and robotically apply them to each game

The Canes could have looked awesome in every game and won every game by 50 points with the fanbase enthralled by Manny Diaz. If the power ratings said 17.5 -- or thereabouts -- against Georgia Tech, that is what it would be.

I use 17.5 because that's the current number now. There's been some money on Georgia Tech today
I heard a few interviews recently with Matt Lindeman, chief odds maker at Circa, who has been the first to the market with opening lines this year.

He said his process is to stay at the casino until about 2am on sat night adjusting power ratings after games. He then gets a few hours sleep and comes back in to work around 8/9, when him and 1 other guy go down the board and set the line for each game and have them released by 11am vegas time. Lindeman also does totals himself during this timeframe.

Point is, everything I’ve learned over the years matches exactly what dooger says: they don’t have time to spend going over each game; they use power ratings, adjust for home field and key injuries, and look at situational spots (like lookahead spots).

One interviewer asked a good question: when do you know you made a mistake? He said when the second limit bet comes in on the same side (with no big action the other way).


Also heard him asked what sport had the best chance of being beat in today’s day and age. He said mid-major CBB totals early in the season, while they are still focused on football.
 
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Yall keep comparing vt and gt. Vt is better than them. Vt isn't that good but are 4-2. Gt is 1-5.
 
One point of interest for me will be to see how we run the ball against one the worst run Ds in the nation.

Lot of talk about our line being the worst in the ACC.This game may tell us.

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