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Georgia NIL leak on Jackson Cantwell

TheOriginalCane said:
It's not about the NCAA, it's about the legality. You have to have alums willing to deliver an untraceable duffel bag full of money. Like 20 years ago, when SEC teams were Fed-Exing Albert Means $100K at a time.

The reality is, the Mas brothers run a public-traded company and are highly unlikely to want to engage in this form of recruiting. If you know of any alums/boosters who are interested in doing so, by all means contact them. But the SEC alums have been doing this for decades and they take great pride in
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Quite familiar with the Means situation and you’re a bit off. Main culprit was a Bama booster.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
This is a very fair point. The only reason we weren't in the playoffs last year was our ****** defense. NOT our OL. NOT our QB. NOT our WRs.

Our ******, ****** defense.

Remind me again, what side of the ball does Kirby historically coach?

We REALLY need to show a profound defensive-side improvement this year, or we will continue to be (successfully) dirty-recruited/out-recruited on this issue.
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So let’s recap:

Year 1: It was our offense
Year 2: It was our offense
Year 3: It was our defense

During this same time frame:

2022-23: UGA ranked #5 in O
2023-24: UGA ranked #5 in O
2024-25: UGA plummeted to #51 in O

How many OLs did UGA have drafted in 2025? How many OLs did Miami have drafted in 2025?

What’s easier to sell; having a top 5 O in 2/3 years, pointing to an “anomaly” in 2024-25 w/ a history of multiple OLs drafted, or selling 1/3 yrs having a top 5 OL, with 1 late OL drafted?

Again, perception is reality, & winning programs get the benefit of the doubt 10/10. Programs that produce NFL draft picks at ur specific position r going to get the benefit of the doubt 11/10. So while it’s true our defense was our Achille’s heel last season, the O was our Achille’s heel in 2/3 seasons.

Have another strong O season, & we change perception and negative talking points. Regardless, u recruit this kid to the end b/c between May - December or February is long time, if we don’t land him. Show that 2024 wasn’t a fluke due to Ward, produce & I like our chances.
 
TrumpyCane said:
Fun fact

The composite uses HS rankings of transfers, so Cam Wards zero rating was used to determine the talent composite but the previous guy had the benefit of using Bubba Bolden’s 5* HS ranking

Another fun fact since you like them so much

Mario’s WORST class by player average is still better than Manny’s BEST class which includes 2 top 20 players in Taylor and Williams, yes even Mario’s crappy transition class had a higher player average than Manny’s best class

Trumpycane loves the memory loss when it comes to Manny
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Rellyrell said:
So let’s recap:

Year 1: It was our offense
Year 2: It was our offense
Year 3: It was our defense

During this same time frame:

2022-23: UGA ranked #5 in O
2023-24: UGA ranked #5 in O
2024-25: UGA plummeted to #51 in O

How many OLs did UGA have drafted in 2025? How many OLs did Miami have drafted in 2025?

What’s easier to sell; having a top 5 O in 2/3 years, pointing to an “anomaly” in 2024-25 w/ a history of multiple OLs drafted, or selling 1/3 yrs having a top 5 OL, with 1 late OL drafted?

Again, perception is reality, & winning programs get the benefit of the doubt 10/10. Programs that produce NFL draft picks at ur specific position r going to get the benefit of the doubt 11/10. So while it’s true our defense was our Achille’s heel last season, the O was our Achille’s heel in 2/3 seasons.

Have another strong O season, & we change perception and negative talking points. Regardless, u recruit this kid to the end b/c between May - December or February is long time, if we don’t land him. Show that 2024 wasn’t a fluke due to Ward, produce & I like our chances.
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Last paragraph is the one.
 
Wake_Cane said:
DOJ usually does have other concerns besides whatever cut rate wire fraud/ML conspiracy someone has cooked up. That works out fine for folks until an ambitious AUSA gets bored and sees an opportunity to put themselves in the spotlight by making you the other concern. AS far as why not blow the whistle, that is a very legit question. I would assume we don't KNOW KNOW in that sense. Though we did come pretty close to KNOW KNOWING of some stuff Norvell was fooling around with for a cycle or two...
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I'd also point out that the AUSA for the southern district of Florida is usually a much smarter and more active prosecutor than the AUSA for the southern district of Alabama.
 
bacane said:
Quite familiar with the Means situation and you’re a bit off. Main culprit was a Bama booster.
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What did I say that was incorrect or "a bit off"? He had multiple SEC alums/boosters who paid him, and the one who got caught was the Alabama booster.
 
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Rellyrell said:
So let’s recap:

Year 1: It was our offense
Year 2: It was our offense
Year 3: It was our defense

During this same time frame:

2022-23: UGA ranked #5 in O
2023-24: UGA ranked #5 in O
2024-25: UGA plummeted to #51 in O

How many OLs did UGA have drafted in 2025? How many OLs did Miami have drafted in 2025?

What’s easier to sell; having a top 5 O in 2/3 years, pointing to an “anomaly” in 2024-25 w/ a history of multiple OLs drafted, or selling 1/3 yrs having a top 5 OL, with 1 late OL drafted?

Again, perception is reality, & winning programs get the benefit of the doubt 10/10. Programs that produce NFL draft picks at ur specific position r going to get the benefit of the doubt 11/10. So while it’s true our defense was our Achille’s heel last season, the O was our Achille’s heel in 2/3 seasons.

Have another strong O season, & we change perception and negative talking points. Regardless, u recruit this kid to the end b/c between May - December or February is long time, if we don’t land him. Show that 2024 wasn’t a fluke due to Ward, produce & I like our chances.
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I am not disagreeing with you at all on this. And it's not about a "year-by-year" reason. I'm not making excuses.

Having said that, if we take a knee against GaTech, we are farther ahead. And if we score another TD (or prevent another TD) last year against GaTech or Syracuse, we are also farther ahead than we are now.

But by NOT doing those things, it lends credence to the negative recruiting that other teams are able to use against us. No tears, no sympathy, I'm just stating a fact.

A lot of people on the board (not you) don't realize how down we were when Mario took over. We had players living IN BROWARD. We had talent but very little discipline. And while some people like to talk about the "suck tax", the reality is that we didn't have enough money to throw at every position group at once. Nobody does. The teams that spend in our stratosphere are already pretty good and have not had to spend big dollars on every position group all at once to fix a disaster.

Again, none of that is an excuse. It's just an explanation of what we were dealing with. Sure, I'd love to point at other schools and other coaches that had quick turnarounds. Cignetti brought a dozen of his old players. I daresay that if a dozen Oregon players had transferred to Miami in Mario's first year, we may have won a few more games.

We need a strong (and healthy) 2025. We need to make the postseason and draw a strong-*** offer from the Big 10. In 14 months, we could very well be on the path to eliminating almost all of our persistent recruiting challenges.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I am not disagreeing with you at all on this. And it's not about a "year-by-year" reason. I'm not making excuses.

Having said that, if we take a knee against GaTech, we are farther ahead. And if we score another TD (or prevent another TD) last year against GaTech or Syracuse, we are also farther ahead than we are now.

But by NOT doing those things, it lends credence to the negative recruiting that other teams are able to use against us. No tears, no sympathy, I'm just stating a fact.

A lot of people on the board (not you) don't realize how down we were when Mario took over. We had players living IN BROWARD. We had talent but very little discipline. And while some people like to talk about the "suck tax", the reality is that we didn't have enough money to throw at every position group at once. Nobody does. The teams that spend in our stratosphere are already pretty good and have not had to spend big dollars on every position group all at once to fix a disaster.

Again, none of that is an excuse. It's just an explanation of what we were dealing with. Sure, I'd love to point at other schools and other coaches that had quick turnarounds. Cignetti brought a dozen of his old players. I daresay that if a dozen Oregon players had transferred to Miami in Mario's first year, we may have won a few more games.

We need a strong (and healthy) 2025. We need to make the postseason and draw a strong-*** offer from the Big 10. In 14 months, we could very well be on the path to eliminating almost all of our persistent recruiting challenges.
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Agreed about needing a healthy, strong 2025 season. That’s all that matters, & it will propel us a lot further than we can possibly imagine.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What did I say that was incorrect or "a bit off"? He had multiple SEC alums/boosters who paid him, and the one who got caught was the Alabama booster.
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Didn’t have multiple SEC boosters. Tennessee/Phil Fulmer was ****ed and turned Logan Young into SEC office. Stories about it read like a soap opera. Believe Means and his HS coach got $150k. Weren’t multiple FedEx payments of $100k from SEC schools. Got to know Logan - who had been close to Bear Bryant - and folks involved.
Miami fan here and enjoy the board, but often need to sort through some of the nonsense. People take a kernel of info and act like HS girls, blow stories up and pitch assumptions as gospel. And like others keep coming back.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Respectfully disagree. The best want to play with, and against, the best.

And the chances of an ACC team winning the championship regularly in the future, with a $40M revenue disparity, will decline more and more each year.

We need to be in the Big 10 in 2 years.
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**** the big 10.

We really dont need to.

We need to be the best where we are...simple as that.

Other than ohio state b4 Michigans cheating championship..who in the BIG 10 have won anything?.

Clemson,FSU, and sh*t even us have won in the last 25 years.

If i had a choice between the sec and big 10 id choose big 10 but i aint a fan of either and we would be the red headed step child in both...CLEARLY. Look at what folks had to go through to get Xavier Lucas to transfer home and we have fans that want to line up to go play in both conferences as if it will give some advantage.

There is a 12 team playoffs the best will play aginst the best there...f*ck that college conference stuff...thats for the mizzous, auburns, penn state, purdues of the world. Not ateam with a BRAND like us.
 
bacane said:
Didn’t have multiple SEC boosters. Tennessee/Phil Fulmer was ****ed and turned Logan Young into SEC office. Stories about it read like a soap opera. Believe Means and his HS coach got $150k. Weren’t multiple FedEx payments of $100k from SEC schools. Got to know Logan - who had been close to Bear Bryant - and folks involved.
Miami fan here and enjoy the board, but often need to sort through some of the nonsense. People take a kernel of info and act like HS girls, blow stories up and pitch assumptions as gospel. And like others keep coming back.
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Yes there were. He got paid by multiple schools, at least 4 in the SEC plus Memphis.

Now, what can be "proven" might be less than what transpired, as all SEC ****roaches scurried for hiding places once the lights came on. I've spoken with knowledgeable boosters at two of the SEC schools NOT named Alabama that confirmed that they paid Means and/or his coach (Lang) as well.

Might the SEC boosters be lying and exaggerating their claims? Possibly. Might there be a criminal tax fraud reason for Means and/or his coach to admit to receiving LESS money? Also a possibility.

But if you want to believe that Means only took money one time in one installment, that is your choice. The ADMITTED evidence doesn't support that, let alone the allegations that could not be proven at the time.

Perhaps your buddy Logan Young only provided $150K. But that was not the only amount paid to Means.
 
gogeta4 said:
**** the big 10.

We really dont need to.

We need to be the best where we are...simple as that.

Other than ohio state b4 Michigans cheating championship..who in the BIG 10 have won anything?.

Clemson,FSU, and sh*t even us have won in the last 25 years.

If i had a choice between the sec and big 10 id choose big 10 but i aint a fan of either and we would be the red headed step child in both...CLEARLY. Look at what folks had to go through to get Xavier Lucas to transfer home and we have fans that want to line up to go play in both conferences as if it will give some advantage.

There is a 12 team playoffs the best will play aginst the best there...f*ck that college conference stuff...thats for the mizzous, auburns, penn state, purdues of the world. Not ateam with a BRAND like us.
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You know I love and respect you.

But a $40 million (and eventually growing) annual deficit says otherwise on the question of whether "we really don't need to".

Like it or not, we will be in the Big 10 in 2027. And I don't give two ***** about the past (Ohio Taint and Michigan). Penn State has also won a national championship since joining the Big 10. And USC is in the Big 10 now. Nebraska too. Washington too. And don't rule out Notre Dame and/or GaTech joining the Big 10. With Miami, you could have 9 teams that have won national championships in the modern era (assuming ND and GT joined).

Do you think that we are getting an SEC bid? Then the Big 10 it is. Because the ACC is dead man walking, and you know it. UNC will announce they are going to the SEC by next summer (the announcement that is). After that, there will be a rapid dissolution of the "Brands Division" of the ACC.

The playoffs will be going to 16 teams. The P2 are going to get anywhere from 8 to 11 of those slots each year.

You know how to boil a frog? Slowly raise the temperature. The same is true of the ACC. We are cooked.
 
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gogeta4 said:
**** the big 10.

We really dont need to.

We need to be the best where we are...simple as that.

Other than ohio state b4 Michigans cheating championship..who in the BIG 10 have won anything?.

Clemson,FSU, and sh*t even us have won in the last 25 years.

If i had a choice between the sec and big 10 id choose big 10 but i aint a fan of either and we would be the red headed step child in both...CLEARLY. Look at what folks had to go through to get Xavier Lucas to transfer home and we have fans that want to line up to go play in both conferences as if it will give some advantage.

There is a 12 team playoffs the best will play aginst the best there...f*ck that college conference stuff...thats for the mizzous, auburns, penn state, purdues of the world. Not ateam with a BRAND like us.
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I wish we could go back to being independent as a football school honestly and build our schedule like Notre dame does
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You know I love and respect you.

But a $40 million (and eventually growing) annual deficit says otherwise on the question of whether "we really don't need to".

Like it or not, we will be in the Big 10 in 2027. And I don't give two ***** about the past (Ohio Taint and Michigan). Penn State has also won a national championship since joining the Big 10. And USC is in the Big 10 now. Nebraska too. Washington too. And don't rule out Notre Dame and/or GaTech joining the Big 10. With Miami, you could have 9 teams that have won national championships in the modern era (assuming ND and GT joined).

Do you think that we are getting an SEC bid? Then the Big 10 it is. Because the ACC is dead man walking, and you know it. UNC will announce they are going to the SEC by next summer (the announcement that is). After that, there will be a rapid dissolution of the "Brands Division" of the ACC.

The playoffs will be going to 16 teams. The P2 are going to get anywhere from 8 to 11 of those slots each year.

You know how to boil a frog? Slowly raise the temperature. The same is true of the ACC. We are cooked.
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I agree with you on the 2027 timeline.

I posted this over a year ago:
Post in thread 'Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations'
https://www.canesinsight.com/thread...es-lies-and-exaggerations.178340/post-7127519
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You know I love and respect you.

But a $40 million (and eventually growing) annual deficit says otherwise on the question of whether "we really don't need to".

Like it or not, we will be in the Big 10 in 2027. And I don't give two ***** about the past (Ohio Taint and Michigan). Penn State has also won a national championship since joining the Big 10. And USC is in the Big 10 now. Nebraska too. Washington too. And don't rule out Notre Dame and/or GaTech joining the Big 10. With Miami, you could have 9 teams that have won national championships in the modern era (assuming ND and GT joined).

Do you think that we are getting an SEC bid? Then the Big 10 it is. Because the ACC is dead man walking, and you know it. UNC will announce they are going to the SEC by next summer (the announcement that is). After that, there will be a rapid dissolution of the "Brands Division" of the ACC.

The playoffs will be going to 16 teams. The P2 are going to get anywhere from 8 to 11 of those slots each year.

You know how to boil a frog? Slowly raise the temperature. The same is true of the ACC. We are cooked.
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Penn State’s last national championship was 1986 and Penn State wasn’t a member of the Big Ten until the early 90s. So you’re wrong on that one.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yes there were. He got paid by multiple schools, at least 4 in the SEC plus Memphis.

Now, what can be "proven" might be less than what transpired, as all SEC ****roaches scurried for hiding places once the lights came on. I've spoken with knowledgeable boosters at two of the SEC schools NOT named Alabama that confirmed that they paid Means and/or his coach (Lang) as well.

Might the SEC boosters be lying and exaggerating their claims? Possibly. Might there be a criminal tax fraud reason for Means and/or his coach to admit to receiving LESS money? Also a possibility.

But if you want to believe that Means only took money one time in one installment, that is your choice. The ADMITTED evidence doesn't support that, let alone the allegations that could not be proven at the time.

Perhaps your buddy Logan Young only provided $150K. But that was not the only amount paid to Means.
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Ok, stop it. This is my final comment on the topic, so I'll be as clear as possible. I'm sure you mean well and perhaps have your "sources,'' but this an wonderful example of people sharing gossip and creating exaggerated narratives. I was involved in the investigation and, though time has passed, recall most of the details.
Where do we start?

- "You have to have alums willing to deliver an untraceable duffle bag full of money. Like 20 years ago, when SEC teams were Fed-Exing Albert Means $100K at a time.'' . . . Bless your heart, nobody was Fed-Exing anything. Sounds good, though. One rogue booster from Alabama ponied up $150K. The money was not paid to Means, but to his high school coach. Yes, the coach, Lynn Lang, tried to selling the kid to multiple schools - not all SEC - and the Bama booster was the only one meeting his price.

- "I've spoken with knowledgeable boosters at two of the SEC schools NOT named Alabama that confirmed that they paid Means and/or his coach (Lang) as well . . . Perhaps your buddy Logan Young only provided $150K. But that was not the only amount paid to Means.'' . . . What the **** are knowledgeable boosters - guys who heard something from somebody who heard something from somebody? Means didn't reap a major financial benefit as most of the $150K was kept by the high school coach. There were allegations that the high school coach wanted to be paid $5K or so for Means to visit a campus. At trial, under oath, denied paying. Recall the only other school implicated was Kentucky, with an assistant coach giving $5mor $6K to the high school coach.

- "But if you want to believe that Means only took money one time in one installment, that is your choice. The ADMITTED evidence doesn't support that, let alone the allegations that could not be proven at the time.'' . . . Again, Means wasn't taking money. His head school coach at Memphis high school was selling the kid. This was a federal case and involved the FBI. The Feds had access to financial and bank records. The case went to trial. This wasn't an NCAA gumshoe a year out of law school. In conclusion, a high school school tried selling his prized player (shocking) to multiple schools - not all SEC - got a crazy (yes, he was an oddball) Bama booster to pay cash to the coach, one other school's assistant admitted giving the high school coach cash - nothing close to your 100K, and other coaches admitted under oath that the high school had sought payment in return for the kid's commitment. Neither the Feds or NCAA found evidence of payment. Colorful story if you read up on it, but hardly as salacious as portrayed.
 
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