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Georgia NIL leak on Jackson Cantwell

Alex_Dynamix said:
Georgia aint great at developing OL they just recruit and land the very best ones outta high school, simple concept really.
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Exactly.

Let's not forget, Mims was ALL SET to transfer to F$U, and then UGa paid him to stay.

Mims didn't choose to stay at UGa for the great corching.
 
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Alex_Dynamix said:
Penei Sewell wouldve been what he was at 95% of schools, he was an Elite talent not too much molding was needed there & that wasnt some great development feat by Mirabal/Mario sure they probably improved his game from HS but the greatest credit they get for his success was actually convincing him to play for Oregon....what makes you a great Oline coach/developer in my eyes revolves around 2 things..

1. Do you consistently field Good/Excellent Oline Units on gamedays?
2. Do you have a track record of developing lower rated guys /3stars/2stars into good college players/NFL potential ?
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I disagree on "95%", but it's still a fairly high percentage.

The reality on the "5-star OLs" (and even high 4-stars) is that you have to keep them motivated and developing on their current level. We have seen PLENTY of 5-star OL talent get to college and then plateau (everyone's favorite word) or even backslide).

I'm not arguing that Mirabal/Cristobal "developed" Sewell the same way that you do when you take a 3-star talent to the first round of the NFL draft. Now THAT is development. But you still have to do something, you still have to keep a guy like Sewell on a progression level where you are teaching him techniques that go from "I'm just blocking high school ****heads" to "I'm ready for NFL-caliber competition".

Yes, Oregon/Mirabal/Cristobal had a slab of USDA prime beef in Sewell. But the kid could have absolutely been ****ED UP with poor coaching. ****, we've seen that with Miami players in the past, great in high school, meh in college, pretty decent in the NFL.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I disagree on "95%", but it's still a fairly high percentage.

The reality on the "5-star OLs" (and even high 4-stars) is that you have to keep them motivated and developing on their current level. We have seen PLENTY of 5-star OL talent get to college and then plateau (everyone's favorite word) or even backslide).

I'm not arguing that Mirabal/Cristobal "developed" Sewell the same way that you do when you take a 3-star talent to the first round of the NFL draft. Now THAT is development. But you still have to do something, you still have to keep a guy like Sewell on a progression level where you are teaching him techniques that go from "I'm just blocking high school ****heads" to "I'm ready for NFL-caliber competition".

Yes, Oregon/Mirabal/Cristobal had a slab of USDA prime beef in Sewell. But the kid could have absolutely been ****ED UP with poor coaching. ****, we've seen that with Miami players in the past, great in high school, meh in college, pretty decent in the NFL.
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TOC don't let him off the hook for that revisionist history comment. Mario landed Sewell as a recruit because he was the only coach who told the family he's an elite franchise tackle not a guard.
 
Hurracanes said:
One year of “poor OL” play for their standards doesn’t erase their strong history of sending kids to the league. To your point, they are successful because they recruit at a high level every year.

A discussion that isn’t being discussed enough is why doesn’t Mario recruit more consistently instead of every 3 years? If he did, Miami wouldn’t be desperate to fix the OL once all these OL men leave in December. We have taken too many projects and now he wants to build the OL again.
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UGa has been good for a while. Nobody disputes that.

But more recently, they have hired guys like Searels and Bobo. So for now, they MUST land 5-stars, otherwise those kinds of coaches will run the offense aground.

There is still some merit to pointing out (to recruits) who the CURRENT coaches are. But you are right, years and years of "track record" is challenging to overcome.
 
hoops156 said:
i mean they supposedly ran off Ny Carr who plateaued because of toney right? and then had to circle back when they struck out.

it seems were amateurish in this stuff
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We didn't run off Ny Carr, and he circled back to us.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Yeah you're prolly right about bell, some team will reach because of his traits for sure. That being said not landing cantwell is a failure by Mario, we have to start getting these elite types consistently if we want to change this NFL/Development narrative.
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I know it doesn't address the point with THIS recruit, but getting into the P2 will also help tremendously.
 
Wake_Cane said:
TOC don't let him off the hook for that revisionist history comment. Mario landed Sewell as a recruit because he was the only coach who told the family he's an elite franchise tackle not a guard.
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Same way we landed Mauigoa. Remember the great "OT or OG" debate?
 
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STG said:
Bingo. Not sure how many times I have to say it, but Mario's recruiting of OL here thus far has been eh, at best.

12 total high school OL, only 4 blue chip. The amount of teams (I have posted it prior) who have outrecruited us with regards to blue chip OL is staggering.

And it's not a coincidence the one's at the top constantly produce NFL OL and top end one's. Here is just a comparion since 2023 of Miami to the schools below.

Signed blue chip OL

Georgia: 13
Alabama: 12
Notre Dame: 12
Ohio State: 11
Texas A&M: 11
Michigan: 10
LSU: 10
Miamu: 4
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Here's the problem, though.

Too many people want to look at the first page of the novel, or the last page.

How many blue-chippers did we have? How many guys got drafted?

While those two things are part of the puzzle, I'd argue that the key for THE TEAM is how they played. And our OL played a lot better in 2024 than UGa's did.

Now, will that kind of argument convince every OL recruit, particularly when bags are being made available? Possibly not. But it's the truth.

We need good HS talent, we need to play well, and we need to get guys drafted. It's all important.

But for W-L reasons, the middle part is key. For perception issues, the "beginning" and "end" are viewed as (probably) more than they should be.
 
ST26 said:
I think this argument is flawed. If playing in the SEC was that much of an advantage, you'd see schools like Missouri, Mississippi State and Kentucky stealing kids from us. The reason schools like Alabama and Georgia have a clear advantage over us is they are consistently developing quality NFL talent. All they have to do is tell recruits to just turn on the TV every Sunday during the season. The proof is in the pudding
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Playing in a P2 conference IS that much of an advantage.

Miami is a premier program in the modern era that has won 5 national championships. Mizzou, Mississippi State, and Kentucky have combined to win zero-point-zero national championships in the same time.

You can't compare "best in the ACC" to "worst in the SEC". It doesn't work that way.

Miami IN THIS EVOLVING TIME PERIOD needs to eliminate our P2 disadvantage. That's a fact.

Perhaps, in the future, Miami will have other issues to address. But for now, it is the perception and resources disparities associated with NOT being in the SEC/Big 10.

Truth.
 
ST26 said:
Ask yourself this- If we were in the SEC right now, would we land him? Answer is still probably no. Being is the ACC is not the reason we'll likely lose this kid lol

Also, what are those big name schools doing? Consistently producing quality NFL talent
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Respectfully disagree.

Cantwell wants to play for championships. He knows he can do so in the SEC. The ACC was scrapping to get two teams in the playoffs last year, and Alabama was screaming about how they should get in over SMU.

Whether we like it or not, the perception is that we have to have a perfect-storm season just to be in the playoffs, while the SEC/Big 10 teams can have a stumble or two and still make it.

For a kid who wants to win rings (as well as make the NFL), quite a few SEC/Big 10 teams present compelling arguments. Regardless of whether Mirabal is a much better coach that Searels (he is).
 
Rellyrell said:
However u extrapolate the data, it’s going to favor the combo of Kirby/Searels which I know they’re selling b/c my lil homie who’s now at OK St was recruited by them.
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This is a very fair point. The only reason we weren't in the playoffs last year was our ****** defense. NOT our OL. NOT our QB. NOT our WRs.

Our ******, ****** defense.

Remind me again, what side of the ball does Kirby historically coach?

We REALLY need to show a profound defensive-side improvement this year, or we will continue to be (successfully) dirty-recruited/out-recruited on this issue.
 
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Squid Bumciorek said:
Fun fact-

The talent composite for 2024 (year 3 of Cristobal) was 89.65

The talent composite for 2021 (year 3 of Diaz) was 89.68

I warned you all when Cristobal was hired that the idea of a “super recruiter” HC is a myth (applies across the board, not just to Cristobal). I said in 2022 he would likely end up being a slightly better recruiter than his predecessors- instead of having the 14th ranked class like Diaz or Folden, he would get the 10th ranked class- that’s not nearly enough to justify the salary. I said we would be far better off finding a HC who recruits in that 10-14 range but has proven he can get the most out of the talent available.

Win the ACC, win some playoff games, and with our NIL money that HC would suddenly look like a much better recruiter and get top 7 classes consistently. Now Cristobal can’t buy 5 stars after a 10 win season as recruits believe UMs success was entirely due to Cam Ward. And it’s not just losing Cantwell- if Cristobal got a 5 star at ANY other position this cycle - WR, DT, LB then maybe I could shrug this off as a just a blip. That level of talent no longer appears interested in coming to Miami.
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Fun fact

The composite uses HS rankings of transfers, so Cam Wards zero rating was used to determine the talent composite but the previous guy had the benefit of using Bubba Bolden’s 5* HS ranking

Another fun fact since you like them so much

Mario’s WORST class by player average is still better than Manny’s BEST class which includes 2 top 20 players in Taylor and Williams, yes even Mario’s crappy transition class had a higher player average than Manny’s best class

Trumpycane loves the memory loss when it comes to Manny
 
gogeta4 said:
I personally dont think us joing the big ten or sec would make us better recruiters or change much for us in particular.
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Respectfully disagree. The best want to play with, and against, the best.

And the chances of an ACC team winning the championship regularly in the future, with a $40M revenue disparity, will decline more and more each year.

We need to be in the Big 10 in 2 years.
 
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