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Riley has been head and shoulders above the rest in the QB recruiting and performance category since taking over OU. I struggle to see where there is a debate in this.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
Riley has been head and shoulders above the rest in the QB recruiting and performance category since taking over OU. I struggle to see where there is a debate in this.
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Only a hardcore group of gaytor fans think otherwise. Obviously some disagree. I don’t have an idea of percentages at this point.
 
RVACane said:
@Zbrod95 , here are more brain cell killers. Love when they talk about bags.

247sports.com

Thoughts on our recruiting staff at this point.

Thoughts on our recruiting staff at this point.
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Wanna hear something funny about all of that nonsense? Mullen was a record breaking recruiter at Miss. St.

Their problem is that their staff is a joke and so is Hova but as I’ve said before, most of that fan base are filled with football illiterates. They care for surface value over actual value. Just look at their recruiting comments.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Wanna hear something funny about all of that nonsense? Mullen was a record breaking recruiter at Miss. St.

Their problem is that their staff is a joke and so is Hova but as I’ve said before, most of that fan base are filled with football illiterates. They care for surface value over actual value. Just look at their recruiting comments.
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yep all they care about is how many points they have and will they have a top 5 class....
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Man....I read that thread last night and my head nearly exploded. I was just too tired to rip it apart, but I think you nailed it.

Let's just focus on the disparity between what the Gaytors BELIEVE and the actual reality of Dan Mullet as the QB Whisperer...

Tim Teblow. Arguably the largest peg on which Gaytors try to hang the "Mullet has developed loads of QBs" claim. But let's review...Teblow was a top recruit, he was never "underrated". He was a run-first QB who was so beloved in North Florida that he was already starting to displace a QB who, you know, ACTUALLY WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. And then, after "years of development" under Mullet, Teblow was so bad at, you know, ACTUALLY THROWING THE BALL, that he had to get a special QB coach to improve his mechanics prior to the NFL draft.

Who else? Franks, the "Heisman finalist lock" who was actually so bad that Gaytor fans were happy to see him go because Trash had 8 or 9 good games? And Trash will probably be beaten out by a "should-be-a-Power-Five-starter-right-now" Emory Jones? Anyone see a trend here? For the Gaytors, the "better QB" is always the next guy, the next guy, the next guy. And Del Rio has now earned his Gaytor Heisman-winner QB statue by having a couple of good days at Elite 11.

So let's look at all this massive Mullet development (all ratings from Rivals):
Utah - Alex Smith - 2 star (it was Utah in the pre-Pac-12 days)
UF - Chris Leak - 4 star (not recruited by Mullet)
UF - Josh Portis - 4 star
UF - Tim Teblow - 5 star
UF - Cam Newton - 5 star
UF - John Brantley - 4 star
MSU - Tyler Russell - 4 star
MSU - Dylan Favre - 2 star (FAVRE! Only offered a scholarship after JuCo Cam Newton picked Auburn over his old OC)
MSU - Dak Prescott - 3 star
MSU - Nick Schuessler - 2 star (3 star on 247, left MSU after 1 month to walk on at Clemson)
MSU - Cord Sandberg - 4 star (drafted by MLB, later signed to play QB at Auburn)
MSU - Elijah Staley - 3 star (half-brother of Patrick Ewing Jr.)
MSU - Nick Fitzgerald - 2 star (3 star on 247 and ESPN)
MSU - Nick Tiano - 3 star (left MSU after 1 year)
MSU - Keytaon Thompson - 4 star (now in the Portal)
UF - Feleipe Franks - 4 star (not recruited by Mullet, though he is a Heisman finalist lock)
UF - Kyle Trash - 2 star (not recruited by Mullet, but better than Franks, another Heisman finalist lock)
UF - Emory Jones - 4 star (better than Trash who is better than Franks, another Heisman finalist lock)
UF - Jalon Jones - 3 star (lasted 1 semester before sexual assault charges)
UF - Anthony Richardson - 4 star



vs. Mullet NFL draft picks:
---Josh Harris (6th round, Bowling Green) - didn't recruit him, worked with him for 2 years (not including Harris' final year at BG)
---Omar Jacobs (5th round, Bowling Green) - recruited him, didn't ever work with him, Mullet coached 2001-02, Jacobs played 2003-05
---Alex Smith (1st round, Utah) - didn't recruit him, worked with him for final 2 years at Utah
---Tim Teblow (1st round, Florida)
---Dak Prescott (4th round, Mississippi State)



That's it. A total of FIVE quarterbacks drafted into the NFL, two of whom he didn't recruit, and one of whom he never worked with (but recruited). Although I guess Gaytors will try to give Mullet credit for Cam Newton, even though he picked Auburn over his old OC when he transferred back into the SEC.

I mean, let's just start with the obvious. In all of his time at UF, there is no pattern or history of UF quarterbacks being "underrated". And in all of that time, thus far, Teblow is the only one drafted (Cam too, if you want to give Mullet credit for that, and Gaytor fans do). In all those years at MSU, he's only got Dak to show for it.

So for TWENTY YEARS of QB coach, OC, or Head Coach, he's got FIVE draft choices (two he didn't recruit and one he never worked with), and in those twenty years, he has NEVER suffered from Rivals/247 "underrating" his QB choices.

But, yeah, the recruiting services are "biased" against UF and/or Mullet.
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So I think Mullen gets a lot out of some very mediocre QB's, but that doesn't make him a qb developer. Riley develops QB's. Mullet is just good at getting production out of them at the college level.
 
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Mikep said:
So I think Mullen gets a lot out of some very mediocre QB's, but that doesn't make him a qb developer. Riley develops QB's. Mullet is just good at getting production out of them at the college level.
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Exactly! And I wish someone would tell these turds that he developed them in a gimmicky offense to get production out of them at the college level which is why almost none of them get drafted high because of mullens smoke and mirrors gimmick offense. I mean look at Trash, kid cant complete a pass with any constancy past 10 yards and is basically nothing but an option running QB. Watch SEC d coordinators feast on that kid these year now that they have film. Georgia defense might be the best in college football this year, there that good. This could be the year they blank UF due to there defense being that good, oh and also because they have a dynamic QB this year in that kid from wake forest.
 
This Gaytor Mullet thread is the perfect example of why Gaytor Tears exists, because the Gaytor fans are so delusional.

In one breath, they argue that Riley should get no credit for development, because he "only" worked with two Heisman Trophy winning QBs for three years. He never got to "handpick" his own QBs. He never had to play "young QBs". He has such high-rated talent.

Meanwhile, poor poor Mullet has been forced to handpick young QBs who are low-ranked, and then work with them for five years.

Except...none of the Mullet myth is true.

Mullet worked at Bowling Green for 2 years UNDER URBAN MEYER. Mullet never got to "handpick" and "develop" his own QB. As I pointed out before, Mullet "developed" Josh Harris (a QB he didn't recruit or "handpick") for only 2 years, less time than Riley had with his Heisman winners. Then, when Mullet finally got to "handpick" his own QB (Omar Jacobs), he immediately left Bowling Green for a better job at Utah, thus Mullet never "developed" Jacobs.

Mullet worked at Utah for 2 years UNDER URBAN MEYER. Mullet never got to "handpick" Alex Smith, he merely "developed" him for 2 years. Again, less time than Riley had with his 2 Heisman winners.

Mullet worked at UF for 4 years UNDER URBAN MEYER. Mullet did not "handpick" 4-star Chris Leak. However, Mullet "handpicked" 5-star Tim Teblow, 5-star Cam Newton, and 4-star John Brantley. Poor, poor Mullet, getting stuck with such horrible talent that he had to transform.

Mullet worked at MSU for 9 years. Now we can analyze a track record that includes BOTH "handpicking" and "developing". Remember, this is the magical time when Mullet transformed a bunch of 2-star QBs into "serviceable" QBs in the SEC-SEC-SEC. Except...never happened. The only consensus 2-star QB that Mullet signed at MSU was named Favre, who was only signed after Mullet whiffed on getting his former "handpicked" 5-star Cam Newton as a JuCo transfer. However, Mullet did sign a bunch of 3-star and 4-star QBs, the only one of which he "developed" into anything decent was Dak Prescott. Many of the others transferred out of MSU.

And now Mullet has been at UF for 2+ years. He didn't "handpick" 4-star Franks. He didn't "handpick" 3-star Trash. He did handpick 4-star Emory Jones. He did handpick 3-star *** offender Jalon Jones. And he handpicked 4-star Anthony Richardson. So far, no draft picks. It could still happen, though.

So, to summarize, the Myth of Mullet Da Gawd Who Handpicks AND Develops For Five Years is just a load of crap. Gaytor fans who are SO desperate to slag Riley for "only" working with transfer QBs who he turns into Heisman winners in 3 years are busy deifying a guy for spending 2 years at Bowling Green, 2 years at Utah, 4 years at UF (where he developed, really, only Teblow), 9 years at MSU (where he developed, really, only Prescott), and now 2 years at UF (where he has developed no one yet).

Yeah, Mullet is better than Riley...only in the minds of Gaytor homers.
 
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