Former Saban DCs haven't figured out Offense

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Nick Saban gets it. The Alabama head coach built his program on having a dominant defense and a powerful run game. And yet … Saban sees that defensive backs can no longer clutch and grab receivers with impunity. He sees his safeties and linebackers have their keys destroyed on a weekly basis by guards who climb to the second and third level on passing plays, making his defense react to the run — well beyond the allowed three yard buffer the rules allow. And he sees how ready quarterbacks are out of high school. And he sees how the traditional negative outcomes associated with passing the football have disappeared or dissipated.

And so, he’s adapted to it.
"It used to be that good defense beats good offense. Good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore,"

There’s been an offensive transformation in Tuscaloosa. Saban realizes that passing in the current college climate, with these rules, is so much more efficient than pounding the ball into the line of scrimmage.

But his former understudies at defensive coordinator- Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt and Will Muschamp - have not been able to achieve those results. Saban’s former defensive coordinators have been SEC head coaches for 17 seasons. Combined, they average an offense which ranks 58th and a defense which ranks 24th.

Will Muschamp had numerous quarterbacks at Florida who failed in Gainesville under his watch yet went on to be successful after transferring to other schools and are still in the NFL. He had constant coordinator changes. At south carolina he lacked the players he needed to run his offensive system and his game management was lacking. It's pretty clear after 9 years of coaching in the SEC, his offensive game skills are lacking.

At Tennessee, the offense has regressed every year that Pruitt has been at the helm. They have one of the lowest rates of throwing the ball on early downs. Instead of setting their QB up for success with easy throws, they try to force the ball with the running game. Opponents know this and load the box, The results are unfavorable down/distance and throwing situations. Tennessee must stop playing the game like it was played in 1998.

Kirby Smart might be the former Saban defensive coordinator-turned-head coach who gets it and is willing to play modern football. His parting of ways with coordinator James Coley and bringing in Todd Monken to run a more wide-open offense would suggest so. As does bringing in transfer quarterbacks Jaime Newman and JT Daniels. It’s possible that Smart realizes how many points are required to win at the highest levels even though the results haven't been there for him yet.
 
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Some highlights of the article:

Nick Saban gets it. The Alabama head coach built his program on having a dominant defense and a powerful run game. And yet … Saban sees that defensive backs can no longer clutch and grab receivers with impunity. He sees his safeties and linebackers have their keys destroyed on a weekly basis by guards who climb to the second and third level on passing plays, making his defense react to the run — well beyond the allowed three yard buffer the rules allow. And he sees how ready quarterbacks are out of high school. And he sees how the traditional negative outcomes associated with passing the football have disappeared or dissipated.

And so, he’s adapted to it.
"It used to be that good defense beats good offense. Good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore,"
There’s been an offensive transformation in Tuscaloosa. Saban realizes that passing in the current college climate, with these rules, is so much more efficient than pounding the ball into the line of scrimmage.

But his former understudies at defensive coordinator- Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt and Will Muschamp - have not been able to achieve those results. Saban’s former defensive coordinators have been SEC head coaches for 17 seasons. Combined, they average an offense which ranks 58th and a defense which ranks 24th.

Will Muschamp had numerous quarterbacks at Florida who failed in Gainesville under his watch yet went on to be successful after transferring to other schools and are still in the NFL. He had constant coordinator changes. At south carolina he lacked the players he needed to run his offensive system and his game management was lacking. It's pretty clear after 9 years of coaching in the SEC, his offensive game skills are lacking.

At Tennessee, the offense has regressed every year that Pruitt has been at the helm. They have one of the lowest rates of throwing the ball on early downs. Instead of setting their QB up for success with easy throws, they try to force the ball with the running game. Opponents know this and load the box, The results are unfavorable down/distance and throwing situations. Tennessee must stop playing the game like it was played in 1998.

Kirby Smart might be the former Saban defensive coordinator-turned-head coach who gets it and is willing to play modern football. His parting of ways with coordinator James Coley and bringing in Todd Monken to run a more wide-open offense would suggest so. As does bringing in transfer quarterbacks Jaime Newman and JT Daniels. It’s possible that Smart realizes how many points are required to win at the highest levels even though the results haven't been there for him yet.

Huh?

He ran off Newman and JT is more a pro style (bro) guy
 
And they all do the same thing over and over and expect different results. The definition of insanity. They all are running the bro style offense and want to control pace and let their defense win it for them. Problem is their defenses get scored on even with the talent of Georgia. Manny realized his bro style mistake and quickly changed it and got a guy who runs a system that suits our geography. So I will give him credit.

Kirbys beloved defense got ripped up by Florida before and after pitts left. Sabans defense got gaped by lane train but he still won. Why? Because he’s got the modern offense that suits today’s style. But he also has the hulking offensive line and running backs so he can bleed out a game when he needs to.
 
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Bama board?.

That being said Saban is LATE on updating his offenses...and all of his assistants save Kirby go to sh*t or run of the mill programs where they have a ceiling.

Tenn and South Carolina arent real deal programs or have the recruiting cache to build what they need consistently.
 
I'm sick of the narrative that Saban is an innovative coach.

Saban can pay offensive and defensive 'analysts' more than other power 5 teams can pay their assistants. He's made plenty of missteps as HC, the monitary clout of Bama's football program, plus their recruiting machine, make up for it and then some.
 
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The belichick of college football
All his assistants suck as a HC
I'd say all his assistants should be assistants because they were riding their relationship of baga and top ranked recruiting class for years. When tasked to recruit and coach we find they should still be assistants.
 
I'm sick of the narrative that Saban is an innovative coach.

Saban can pay offensive and defensive 'analysts' more than other power 5 teams can pay their assistants. He's made plenty of missteps as HC, the monitary clout of Bama's football program, plus their recruiting machine, make up for it and then some.
I guess you don’t realize that most of those analysts make like $40-$50k because their previous school is still paying them. Saban gets them at a steep discount
 
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His former assistants, despite being surrounded by it daily at Bama, have failed to understand tbe Toyota Way...its what Nicky does day in and day out.

If someone, say a Joe Moglia at Coastal Carolina*, were to install the same system at the organizational level... watch out...

*No, I'm not saying the Chanticleers are going to beat Bama, but I will say Moglia proved the theory works in big boy college football.

Would be interesting to see them in SEC or ACC if Joey M can stay healthy enough to co tinue being a part of program.

The Achilles Heel of TPS is the leader, especially like Saban amd Moglia... amd you are seeing it with Saban's inability to be truly elite in their own programs. Unless you have every single person pulling the TPS way, once the leader (who drives the bus) departs, all downhill from there.
 
Wait... QBs are ready coming out of high school? Not at Miami! Oh **** no. We need to develop QBs a few years before we can throw them out there.
 


Some highlights of the article:

Nick Saban gets it. The Alabama head coach built his program on having a dominant defense and a powerful run game. And yet … Saban sees that defensive backs can no longer clutch and grab receivers with impunity. He sees his safeties and linebackers have their keys destroyed on a weekly basis by guards who climb to the second and third level on passing plays, making his defense react to the run — well beyond the allowed three yard buffer the rules allow. And he sees how ready quarterbacks are out of high school. And he sees how the traditional negative outcomes associated with passing the football have disappeared or dissipated.

And so, he’s adapted to it.
"It used to be that good defense beats good offense. Good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore,"
There’s been an offensive transformation in Tuscaloosa. Saban realizes that passing in the current college climate, with these rules, is so much more efficient than pounding the ball into the line of scrimmage.

But his former understudies at defensive coordinator- Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt and Will Muschamp - have not been able to achieve those results. Saban’s former defensive coordinators have been SEC head coaches for 17 seasons. Combined, they average an offense which ranks 58th and a defense which ranks 24th.

Will Muschamp had numerous quarterbacks at Florida who failed in Gainesville under his watch yet went on to be successful after transferring to other schools and are still in the NFL. He had constant coordinator changes. At south carolina he lacked the players he needed to run his offensive system and his game management was lacking. It's pretty clear after 9 years of coaching in the SEC, his offensive game skills are lacking.

At Tennessee, the offense has regressed every year that Pruitt has been at the helm. They have one of the lowest rates of throwing the ball on early downs. Instead of setting their QB up for success with easy throws, they try to force the ball with the running game. Opponents know this and load the box, The results are unfavorable down/distance and throwing situations. Tennessee must stop playing the game like it was played in 1998.

Kirby Smart might be the former Saban defensive coordinator-turned-head coach who gets it and is willing to play modern football. His parting of ways with coordinator James Coley and bringing in Todd Monken to run a more wide-open offense would suggest so. As does bringing in transfer quarterbacks Jaime Newman and JT Daniels. It’s possible that Smart realizes how many points are required to win at the highest levels even though the results haven't been there for him yet.

I get your point, but in all fairness, the only one that's had close to Alabama talent is Kirby Smart.
 
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If racist Kurby Dumb is your biggest success story, your coaching tree is pretty much barren. Saban may be an all-time college coach but he hoards his college football coaching success secrets, apparently.
 
If racist Kurby Dumb is your biggest success story, your coaching tree is pretty much barren. Saban may be an all-time college coach but he hoards his college football coaching success secrets, apparently.
I mean Jimbo won a Natty and he was his OC at LSU so not exactly.
 
I mean Jimbo won a Natty and he was his OC at LSU so not exactly.

That’s stretching, but if you’re looking for a loophole that’s one you can use. He’s spent the the majority of his succesful college career and had his greatest sucesss at Alabama. That’s the tree that most people refer to. That’s where you expect the greatest lessons to be learned. Luigi is up at Oregon. So far: unimpressive.
 
Jimbo was an assistant under Bowden after saban. So not a direct promotion. Part of the tree nonetheless
 
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