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1mg of Epi said:
That’s all I expect now. I cAn live w a loss to Clemson, even LSU. I don’t expect an elite program overnight.

I do expect to beat teams that Miami out talents.
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Most sensible posters understood we weren't beating Clemson last year. It just wasn't going to happen. That was a program at the time had beaten us down 58-0, 2 years prior. A realistic season for me was riding with one of the young QBs, going 9-3 and going to the ACC title game and hoping for a better showing against Clemson where we likely lose again, then go onto another tier 1 bowl game. We didn't get anywhere close to that.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
If that's all you people were asking for. How many times have we seen "________ would have us in the playoffs with our talent". People actually believe that our roster should be winning with Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State.
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Start naming posters. I know I've never said that. If you're referencing the Leach crowd, I'm the anthithesis of that as Leach, IMO would have us nowhere near contending and we'd still drop inexplicable games. But I do expect 9-10 win seasons in arguably the weakest division in college football.
 
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Brian Kelly made changes and ND is in the playoff’s. Sorry lurk he needs to make a few changes starting with Jon who couldn’t get a job as the qb coach at DeVry University.
 
orange&green84 said:
Nope. Haven't seen anyone think that this was a national title contending team.
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That is a lie. There were threads claiming that we're in the playoffs if Perry starts game one. There are threads claiming that any number of other coaches would have us in the playoffs this year.

orange&green84 said:
But you don't need to have a top 5 talent team in beating Duke, UVA, BC, and GT. Sure, losing 1 out of those 4 are certainly possible, but losing to all 4 teams in year 3 is ridiculous.
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But we're just top 20, right? Top 20 teams have four losses.
 
One guy: we have top 20 talent.
Other guy: there's no way we should have more than two losses.

Same thread, same side.
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
That is a lie. There were threads claiming that we're in the playoffs if Perry starts game one. There are threads claiming that any number of other coaches would have us in the playoffs this year.



But we're just top 20, right? Top 20 teams have four losses.
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Start naming posters. One top 20 team has four losses. Keep losing foolish. And last I checked, we have five. You could argue, we're only one play from being 8-4. Well, that FSU game could've gone the other way and we'd be sitting at 6-6. See how that **** works?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings
 
1mg of Epi said:
You’re suggesting if we beat one of the 4 acc losses, we’d be top 20? (we didn’t, btw)

I’m suggesting that with a better staff we’d have beaten all 4 of them.

I guess we can both be right.
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I know that's what you're suggesting. That's my point. YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME NOW.

You think with a better staff we are 11-1 or 12-0. So which is it? Top 20 talent, or Top 5 talent?
 
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