I keep hearing how we didn't have a normal spring and fall camp, but neither did anyone else. I didn't expect us to go from 6-7 to winning a NC, but I did expect us to improve dramatically. It's kind of dopey to use 6-7 as the barometer because we shouldn't have been 6-7 last year. We were one of the biggest underachievers in football last year.I think you said it all here. I'm not disappointed with this team, because I never expected us to be better than #2/3/4 team in the ACC this year. What I really wanted to see was an improved offense, which we have. I think Lashlee can be a really good one, but the holes are there and the veterans on that side of the ball are falling really short Wiggins, Harley, Pope, Scaife, Gaynor and Campbell are all mediocre at best atm. We are seeing improvements comparing with the last 2 years, and maybe it would have been greater if we had normal spring and fall camp, but we have ways to go.
I'm done trusting Manny's defenses, I couldn't shake the 2017 Winsc game out of my mind and last year my faith was lost for good, I think our defense can be a plus against mediocre teams and maybe make a couple of plays against elite teams to give us a chance in games, but we need a super offense to have this conversation. Obviously, I'm not sold on Manny as P5 HC, I would like to see him get the defense rotation in order, make a couple of upgrades on this staff and bring elite talent on the trail,
One thing that ****es me off are posters here that thought this team could hang with Clemson and now are doom and gloom, It's ok being a fan, but if your expectation was that, that's on you. This team had a 500 record over two seasons, expecting to compete against them right now was crazy talk
Hopefully this season will bring a good recruiting class and we can string recruiting class4es that not only looks good on the star meter, but has real ELITE talent on it so we can be among the elite teams in 3/4 years.
If the 2nd tier is getting humiliated and emasculated by Clemson and not even competing with them and needing Pitt's QB to get hurt to beat them, then about 60 teams occupy that 2nd tier in your definition. At this point, we're about equal to Kentucky. Once the Big Pvssy starts playing, we'll slip down below several other teams and be at about the same level as a Minnesota.You aren't answering the question. They can't all be average teams if the word has any meaning. Some teams will consistently beat the bad teams and lose to the great teams. That's the next tier.
Miami has the talent to fit in that second tier, and that's how the team has performed thus far. I hope they keep beating average teams by two scores, because that will mean Miami is a good team.
The goal, in my eyes, is pre-Watson Clemson. Still a ton of football left.
We all aren't. Some disagree.We're in a thread talking about how lucky we were Pitt's starting QB was injured. We'd most likely be in a dogfight against teams like UK and SCAR. We haven't taken a significant leap from years past. We're average.
King wasn't good on the read-option in the first couple games either. He's struggled with it all season.Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. Not sure how much blame falls on King, and how much on Lashlee. But where King seemed to make every decision perfectly in the first couple of games, the last couple of games have looked horrific when it comes to the decision to hand-off or keep it.
Should have. But the day Pitt starts playing mistake-free football is the day they're no longer a middle of the road ACC team.
We're not the only team that beats itself. Everyone may be shocked to learn, but Mark Whipple isn't exactly Nick Saban. His players make mistakes pretty regularly.
It's not disingenuous at all. Pickett is the heart and soul of their team and their best offensive player. You're being ridiculous if you don't think replacing him with a cement-footed inexperienced backup would be detrimental to Pitt.I think it is disingenuous to say the game would have been very different if Pickett had played. The defensive staff has had his number the past few seasons. This game is identical to last year's game from a defensive standpoint if you take out the drive that they started at the one-yard line. In both games, Pitt got just four field goals. Admittedly I haven't watched a ton of Pitt this year but from what I've seen and the numbers I'm not gonna say Pickett is the second-best QB in the ACC. He's been average. He had a good statistical game against NC State, I say statistical just because I didn't watch, but they are a bellow average passing defense. Every other ACC team held him under 270 yards passing. Where I'll give you the benefit of the doubt is by saying his legs could have helped them in the red zone turning field goals into touchdowns but I'm not ready to say he turns this into a Miami loss because once again, this staff has had his number the past two years. That means something to me at least.
If the 2nd tier is getting humiliated and emasculated by Clemson and not even competing with them and needing Pitt's QB to get hurt to beat them, then about 60 teams occupy that 2nd tier in your definition. At this point, we're about equal to Kentucky. Once the Big Pvssy starts playing, we'll slip down below several other teams and be at about the same level as a Minnesota.
King wasn't good on the read-option in the first couple games either. He's struggled with it all season.
Ok assume they scored a touchdown on every scoring drive. I have my doubts but assume Pickett makes that big a difference. That puts them at 35 points. We had 31 and took a knee in scoring position. And we were content to settle for a field goal on the second to last drive. We probably still win either way. Nonetheless, I think you overvalue Pickett. The history that this defense has against him is a successful one.It's not disingenuous at all. Pickett is the hear and soul of their team and their best offensive player. You're being ridiculous if you don't think replacing him with a cement-footed inexperienced backup would be detrimental to Pitt.
You understand that being a fan is all about talking about what could have happened, and part of the reason Yellen looked good is because he was throwing to wide open receivers. In previous years, we might have lost, and in previous years we might have won. Now you're playing woulda coulda shoulda when you talk about what might have happened in previous years.Shoulda, woulda, coulda as far as who Pitt's QB was this past Sat. I thought the kid looked poised and didn't get too rattled when things didn't go his way.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is we got the W when in previous years, this may have been an L. The Canes showed up, played hard, and didn't tank when some things didn't go well. To me, that's a good sign and hopefully carries over to the rest of the season.
Keep cheerleading, brother. I love it. But it's obvious.Miami didn't "need Pitt's QB to get hurt to beat them." They won by two scores. They beat Pickett the year before. And the year before that.
Miami played terrible against the #1 team, lost badly, and has beaten everyone else by two scores. If that continues for the rest of the season (big if), you're talking about a Top 10 team.
Dude, that's an infantile analysis with all due respect. You can't just assume that the game would have gone exactly the same on our end if Pickett played and scored more TDs on their end. This is like the goofballs who kept saying if we averaged 30 points per game last year we would have won 12 games. That's simpleton stuff.Ok assume they scored a touchdown on every scoring drive. I have my doubts but assume Pickett makes that big a difference. That puts them at 35 points. We had 31 and took a knee in scoring position. And we were content to settle for a field goal on the second to last drive. We probably still win either way. Nonetheless, I think you overvalue Pickett. The history that this defense has against him is a successful one.
Not quite as obvious as your white flag here.Keep cheerleading, brother. I love it. But it's obvious.
Most of these guys don't watch college football. They think because a different UM defense beat Pickett in a different year under different circumstances that Pickett isn't better than Joey Yellen. It's simpleton logic.Assuming the quarterback will stay the same every year is probably the same shock and humiliation all the teams that faced Joe burrow last year felt after playing him the previous year. Pickett, was different this year, even though I thought Miami would win anyway.
LOL. Tell us again how we were going to get after Clemson. Fact is we're average right now. And your 2nd tier, if it includes us, is a glut of about 60 teams once the Big Pvssy starts playing.Not quite as obvious as your white flag here.
Don't use words if you are unable to defend them with facts.
I just want to know what you’ve seen from Pickett this season or previously against this defense to make you think he’s making that big of a difference in that game. I don’t see it.Dude, that's an infantile analysis with all due respect. You can't just assume that the game would have gone exactly the same on our end if Pickett played and scored more TDs on their end. This is like the goofballs who kept saying if we averaged 30 points per game last year we would have won 12 games. That's simpleton stuff.
You're not understanding a very easy point. It's not that Pickett is Russell Wilson; it's that he's far superior to Joey Yellen, and Yellen made a ton of plays on this same D and missed many more.