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calinative umstudent said:
The larger the sample size, the better their grading is imo. Game to game I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into it. This is over 7 games. Solid size, but biased towards the easy non-conference games. Their QB grading I actually think is decently solid. At the very least it's far better than random fans that post on message boards. They watch all the throws and assign a value from -2 to +2. And their graders watch more than TVD. They don't have it out or for TVD I can assure you lol.

He had 99 attempts against miamiOH, A&M, Bethune, and Temple. Those Games he legit played great in. His last 3 games he's had 114 attempts against GTech, UNC, and UVA. In the first 4 games there were very few if any negative plays, and a lot of positive plays. In the last 3 there have been more negative plays, but there could also have been a bunch of positive plays still. So the part people may not get, is that while he's thrown a lot of picks his last 3 games, I wouldn't actually say he's had a whole **** of a lot more that have been dropped by the defenders really. Like most of his bad plays, really do show up in the stat sheet. Also when grading the QBs throws, what is the difference in a OC that has faith in and designs great easy plays that are wide open 10 yards down the field, and an OC who has no faith in so is also designing easy plays for the QB to make that are like 3-5 yard dunk passes? In both situation a play is being called that the QB is being asked to throw. In both situations the play would likely be a 0 or .5pt grade for the QB. Yet the result for the actual team are quite different. The Qb is being judged on the pass, not the play call or how the OC is designing/calling games based on the QB...

For example Brock Purdy on the 49ers was getting solid/good but not great grades from PFF the first like 5 weeks of the season. That's because he had a lot of wide *** open throws, and a bunch of "turnover-worthy" plays. But none of those plays ended up being a turnover. So what is the result? The 49ers are cruising, and the National media is saying he's great and MVP favorite. 3 weeks later and those turnover-worthy plays that weren't resulting in INTs earlier in the season now are, and it's really biting the team in the ***, and they've now lost 3 in a row. YET PFFs Purdy grade has likely stayed about the same... But my point is you can have 2 INTs that **** the team, yet have 30 other passes that are all good decisions and passes. For PFFs grading what is the difference whether those 2 INT were caught by the defender or dropped? Doesn't matter - it's a bad pass/decision either way. But to the team and fans it makes all the difference in the world. Those 2 INTs being the difference in Winning and losing shifts our entire judgment of the player. Yet the actual throw is the same... And at the end of the day those 2 INTs could just be 5% of the attempts on the day...
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You wrote all of this out forgetting that these same scouts have TVD rated ahead of Caleb Williams, despite Caleb throwing for 9 more TDS and 4 fewer ints. Never mind the QBR difference. You can’t with a straight face think that TVD has been more efficient than Caleb, recent struggles non withstanding.

No one is saying that they are biased towards TVD, but it’s obvious that someone isn’t watching tape. No way can a guy with the obvious flaws of TVD be ranked ahead of guys like Maye, Travis and others. It’s them plugging numbers into a flawed algorithm and then running with it, logic be damned. Analytics are useless if you don’t have basic common sense.
 
kyle_schick said:
He's a great College gunslinger when he doesn't have 3 major injuries to different parts of his body.

But he does, and ever since, his play has fallen off.

The play calling is not helping at all, but he is forcing throws.

Its not just black and white.
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How is the play calling not helping? There have been a ton of screenshots posted on here of guys wide open and instead he throws into traffic or under throws. I want this kid to succeed, but he is killing himself. Take what the D gives you, instead of forcing.
 
Canedude08 said:
You wrote all of this out forgetting that these same scouts have TVD rated ahead of Caleb Williams, despite Caleb throwing for 9 more TDS and 4 fewer ints. Never mind the QBR difference. You can’t with a straight face think that TVD has been more efficient than Caleb, recent struggles non withstanding.

No one is saying that they are biased towards TVD, but it’s obvious that someone isn’t watching tape. No way can a guy with the obvious flaws of TVD be ranked ahead of guys like Maye, Travis and others. It’s them plugging numbers into a flawed algorithm and then running with it, logic be damned. Analytics are useless if you don’t have basic common sense.
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Right so you’re literally just looking at TD/INT numbers and nothing else to make your determination? Yet you’re saying at the same time that that pff is only using stats to grade… but wouldn’t TVD grading ahead of those guys show they aren’t doing that lol.

Tell m me how statistically Travis is better also lol.

Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are far more talented and over the course of the full season will likely grade ahead of TVD…this is not very complicated.
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
How is the play calling not helping? There have been a ton of screenshots posted on here of guys wide open and instead he throws into traffic or under throws. I want this kid to succeed, but he is killing himself. Take what the D gives you, instead of forcing.
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i strongly recommend you watch some of the film breakdowns, especially of UVA. You'll be surprised at some of the stuff you think you see....

Most of them are 15 -30 min tops. Well worth it
 
calinative umstudent said:
Right so you’re literally just looking at TD/INT numbers and nothing else to make your determination? Yet you’re saying at the same time that that pff is only using stats to grade… but wouldn’t TVD grading ahead of those guys show they aren’t doing that lol.

Tell m me how statistically Travis is better also lol.

Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are far more talented and over the course of the full season will likely grade ahead of TVD…this is not very complicated.
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Selective reading isn’t a flex. I’m noting that Caleb, even when he’s “Struggling” is significantly better than TVD, but he isn’t anywhere on the list. TVD is borderline unplayable, but he’s on the list? You can’t make this stuff up. I’ve watched all of TVDs starts this year and all of Caleb’s starts, you can’t rationally rank TVD ahead of him in any way, shape or form. You also have guys like Cam Ward that are more productive (system bias non withstanding), that aren’t rated nearly as high as TVD. Either TVD is that one outlier that benefits from the flawed algorithm used by PFF, or the people at PFF are utterly incompetent.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
How is the play calling not helping? There have been a ton of screenshots posted on here of guys wide open and instead he throws into traffic or under throws. I want this kid to succeed, but he is killing himself. Take what the D gives you, instead of forcing.
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It’s an excuse. Period. Dude is terrible right now and instead of admitting as much, people want to blame everyone else. You can’t have the lulls for multiple years through multiple OCs and it always be the playcallers fault.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
How is the play calling not helping? There have been a ton of screenshots posted on here of guys wide open and instead he throws into traffic or under throws. I want this kid to succeed, but he is killing himself. Take what the D gives you, instead of forcing.
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Our formations are too tight.

Too much use of tightends that aren't receiving threats.

Nothing inside the hashes.

Our run plays are predictable and often into higher numbers.

Pace is a little too slow. TVD plays better at a faster pace.

The Texas A&M play calling was better. Those plays haven't been called in any game since.
 
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kyle_schick said:
Our formations are too tight.

Too much use of tightends that aren't receiving threats.

Nothing inside the hashes.

Our run plays are predictable and often into higher numbers.

Pace is a little too slow. TVD plays better at a faster pace.

The Texas A&M play calling was better. Those plays haven't been called in any game since.
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I can certainly agree with those assessments, but at the same time, he had throws available, he just wasn’t seeing/using them.
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
I honestly wished Jacurri would have been given a chance during the GTech game because of his mobility and toughness it’s exactly the type of games where he would’ve thrived right now because he honestly throws a bit behind the receivers. But in a sloppy wet game all bets are off and usually mobile QBs give defense’s problems. A missed opportunity maybe he would have clicked and got the in-game timing with the receivers and crushed The gottdamm honeybees.
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stop judging him from the small sample we all saw. Give the kid a fair chance with fair play calling and let him rip it. He can throw better then jordan travis thats for sure. NFL qb's throw bad throws every week!!! stop judging him from 10 throws and cuz hes a mobile qb doesnt mean hes not a passer
 
TouchMoney26 said:
stop judging him from the small sample we all saw. Give the kid a fair chance with fair play calling and let him rip it. He can throw better then jordan travis thats for sure. NFL qb's throw bad throws every week!!! stop judging him from 10 throws and cuz hes a mobile qb doesnt mean hes not a passer
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I’m not judging him. He can be a great one if he can fix that area of his game. Regardless the kid is a gamer and tough as Fock. Though it was HighSchool he passed for lots of yardage so he has what it takes just needs to put it all together. Again Like Georgia Tech was his coming out party last year so should have been this year. Got my tickets for Louisville Go Canes!!!!!
 

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