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Fernando Mendoza

407cane said:
i'm also confused because rocco was a '22 recruit and emory was a '23 but i don't remember hearing about him so maybe I'm missing something

but if you're right, and if somehow we did choose between them, it's still silly to talk about "what if's" when we don't know what mattered to the players. Rocco has been a full time starter for 2 years (didn't play his first year), emory has sat for 2 years. would rocco have agreed to sit here for 2 years? probably not - and it's probably why we didn't get him (or why the staff didn't go after him like you're saying)

it's not always as simple as choosing one over the other and every other factor is the same
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You are correct and I was wrong. It wasn’t Emory.

It was Jacurri Brown same year as Rocco.
 
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407cane said:
why does cam ward not count?

why do we think they can't evaluate when 99% of this board thinks luke nickel is an absolute gem and underrated by every major recruiting service.

ND, Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Arizona State, all have portal qb's starting - that's just the starters and just playoff teams. UGA has rashada on the bench

caleb Williams, jayden daniels, baker Mayfield, kyler Murray, jalen hurts, etc. the list goes on, and on, and on, and on

why does miami not get credit for 1) winning the cam ward recruitment, and 2) helping cam ward go from day 2 pick to top 5 (maybe first overall)? is that not "development"?
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nahhh bro let CIS tell it Cam Ward didnt need Miami/Restrepo/George/Arroyo(first round talent @ TE btw) Damien Martinez/one of the best O-lines in the country/ or Shannon Dawson to become a potential #1 pick in the draft & a hesiman candidate, he couldve did all that @ Washington State if he wanted to he just came here for ***** & giggles & did everything himself.. the staff/players around him didnt help him develop his trajectory as an NFL prospect one bit :rolleyes:.... bro ppl just get on here just say nonsense when they want to downplay Miami football smh
 
407cane said:
why does cam ward not count?

why do we think they can't evaluate when 99% of this board thinks luke nickel is an absolute gem and underrated by every major recruiting service.

ND, Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Arizona State, all have portal qb's starting - that's just the starters and just playoff teams. UGA has rashada on the bench

caleb Williams, jayden daniels, baker Mayfield, kyler Murray, jalen hurts, etc. the list goes on, and on, and on, and on

why does miami not get credit for 1) winning the cam ward recruitment, and 2) helping cam ward go from day 2 pick to top 5 (maybe first overall)? is that not "development"?
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Just don't say no other Active CFB coach besides Mario and like Lincoln Riley have produced two top 6 drafter (or 10 to make it broader) NFL QBs lol .... That surely wouldn't fit narratives.
 
PIPO said:
Indiana went 1-8 in conference and 3-9 overall last year. Regardless of the schedule this year, they won 11 games as a first year head coach.

Mario inherited a Manny 7-5 team and won 5 games. Had the easiest schedule this year and still couldn’t maximize Cam.

How is it unfair? You are being obtuse.
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We had the #1 offense in the country; how did he not maximize Cam?

There's understandable frustration among the fanbase about missing the CFP, but the defense was awful and that bed was made more than 6 months before the season started.

Lambasting anyone in a post-mortem about being much better than a 3 loss team is a little obtuse.

Cam was maximized, but he could only overcome so much.
 
Calinative said:
Just don't say no other Active CFB coach besides Mario and like Lincoln Riley have produced two top 6 drafter (or 10 to make it broader) NFL QBs lol .... That surely wouldn't fit narratives.
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Slight concern with that comparison the way Riley is trending at USC...
 
Bunker Mentality said:
We had the #1 offense in the country; how did he not maximize Cam?

There's understandable frustration among the fanbase about missing the CFP, but the defense was awful and that bed was made more than 6 months before the season started.

Lambasting anyone in a post-mortem about being much better than a 3 loss team is a little obtuse.

Cam was maximized, but he could only overcome so much.
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I meant in terms of maximizing how good Cam was for us by not fielding a competent defense via portal additions and coaching deficiencies, when a lot of people had issues with whom we brought in during the off season from players and coaches.

Especially with Guidry and Chevis Jackson.

Cam did absolutely what he could to the max. Maybe I phrased my point incorrectly.
 
Bunker Mentality said:
We had the #1 offense in the country; how did he not maximize Cam?

There's understandable frustration among the fanbase about missing the CFP, but the defense was awful and that bed was made more than 6 months before the season started.

Lambasting anyone in a post-mortem about being much better than a 3 loss team is a little obtuse.

Cam was maximized, but he could only overcome so much.
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Honestly, it's football's version of a criminal offense. The schedule was favorable, and the quarterback was historically good.

They shouldn't have taken no for an answer from Mateer. It would have taken a ridiculous offer to pry him away from that pre-arranged marriage with his former OC and coach.....but if I've learned anything in all my years is that everyone has a "number". It should have literally been a blank check situation given the supply and demand at the position.

He not only F'd that up but he didn't even bring in a stellar HS recruiting class, which is supposed to be his superpower.

Yeah, the honeymoon is over. If he doesn't get a major upgrade at QB soon AND fire Guidry the fans are going to REALLY turn on him. You're making 8+ million a year brother......expectations and pressure come with the territory.
 
PIPO said:
I meant in terms of maximizing how good Cam was for us by not fielding a competent defense via portal additions and coaching deficiencies, when a lot of people had issues with whom we brought in during the off season from players and coaches.

Especially with Guidry and Chevis Jackson.

Cam did absolutely what he could to the max. Maybe I phrased my point incorrectly.
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I hear you, but (1) sitting here today nobody would have thought the defense would be THIS bad; (2) it's not like Mario didn't go after better players, and (3) maybe things are different if Cam signs before NSD.

We lost 3 very close games but we won some close ones as well. I'm not sure much more could have been expected from this team with such a glaring problem in the secondary. Maybe we win a game or two more and make the CFP but we're still here in need of a QB. At least Emory got a chance to make his case and we have some clue what he's capable of.

Mario has some things to fix and i'm sure he'll do the utmost to address them in the offseason.
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
Honestly, it's football's version of a criminal offense. The schedule was favorable, and the quarterback was historically good.

They shouldn't have taken no for an answer from Mateer. It would have taken a ridiculous offer to pry him away from that pre-arranged marriage with his former OC and coach.....but if I've learned anything in all my years is that everyone has a "number". It should have literally been a blank check situation given the supply and demand at the position.

He not only F'd that up but he didn't even bring in a stellar HS recruiting class, which is supposed to be his superpower.

Yeah, the honeymoon is over. If he doesn't get a major upgrade at QB soon AND fire Guidry the fans are going to REALLY turn on him. You're making 8+ million a year brother......expectations and pressure come with the territory.
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Fans have already turned on him.

Program has suffered major setback, at least in wide perceptions.
 
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Bunker Mentality said:
We had the #1 offense in the country; how did he not maximize Cam?

There's understandable frustration among the fanbase about missing the CFP, but the defense was awful and that bed was made more than 6 months before the season started.

Lambasting anyone in a post-mortem about being much better than a 3 loss team is a little obtuse.

Cam was maximized, but he could only overcome so much.
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This is what happens when there is absolutely no expectations for the defense. People just look past how disgusting they were and expected the offense to score on every drive. The pressure on the offense to be perfect was incredible this season. I never seen a defense get such a pass.
 
BS85 said:
Hopefully it's worth having Beck instead of Mendoza, a true #1 WR, and probably another really good player for the same amount.
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SMH you say this when we literally had the first overall draft pick at qb taken in the draft with the number one offense without a true number 1 receiver.

Only scenario is I’ll take J Smith and Mendoza over Beck and our current receivers. There was no receiver even close to Smith that was entering either portal.

I will always take a good QB over a good wr every time.
 
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I seem to remember Michael Pratt getting the same amount of sunshine pumping around this time. 244 players were picked ahead of him.

Taking a victory lap because of their early praise of Mendoza right NOW is absurd.

Its the equivalent of FCS team taking a victory lap because of a 3-0 lead against us, with 14 minutes left the first quarter.
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
I seem to remember Michael Pratt getting the same amount of sunshine pumping around this time. 244 players were picked ahead of him.

Taking a victory lap because of their early praise of Mendoza right NOW is absurd.

Its the equivalent of FCS team taking a victory lap because of a 3-0 lead against us, with 14 minutes left the first quarter.
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Nobody is taking a victory lap. I literally said in the bump that this will be a good receipts thread in a year from now. The only reason I bumped it is people who get paid to watch the nfl for a living are starting to watch 2026 prospects and seeing Mendoza for the first time, and he’s intriguing. He might be a first round pick. He might be a UDFA. But it seemed to me at the time that the majority here thought he was essentially unplayable. I think there were a lot of Emory Williams vs Mendoza debates, actually. And for the record, before the bowl game, I was still TBD on Emory, so I’m not ****ting on anyone. Just that it seemed on here at the time that we shouldn’t even entertain taking Mendoza because he’s a joke of a prospect. I don’t think the NFL guys seem to agree AT THIS STAGE.

Lot can change.
 
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