Early thoughts on Gattis?

[hoops156]

I mean easy concepts allow DBs easy reads on the route combos I’m not crowning the guy just giving an idea of why. I mean Joe Burrow stunk up the field yesterday too. But it looks to me that TVD hasn’t been in rhythm with all the running. Here’s to hoping he turns it on on saturday

Joe burrow stunk up the field yesterday against a good steeler defense lol. TVD stunk up the field against a ****** no name team lol

 

[hoops156]

There are ways to transition without sacrificing today for the sake of tomorrow. Let’s just use the example that say we have talent at running back but our line is still average. There’s ways to run the ball that don’t require you to line up and play in a phone booth. One of the easiest ways to give your backs space is to spread the field. Force defenses to allocate defenders away from the middle of the field and use a numbers advantage. The top 6 rushing offenses in the P5 last year were Arkansas, Baylor, Tennessee, UCLA and Ole Miss. None of them have overpowering offensive lines. All besides Baylor run spread systems. Arkansas and Tennessee run straight up Air Raid systems and UCLA and Ole Miss are both no huddle, spread offenses. You can run the ball very well without having to line up with two tight ends in bunch formations.

the concept that you can run out of an old school formation is outdated. you can be a power spread team. you can do both (all the good teams do both). Bama does both very well. OSU does as well. OU did as well under Riley

 

[canes732]

Joe burrow stunk up the field yesterday against a good steeler defense lol. TVD stunk up the field against a ****** no name team lol

TVD looked like **** for sure hopefully Gattis calls a better game and gets him in rhythm early

 

[rok]

Would kill my whole family to have the Dennis Erickson single-back offense return to Miami.

 

[RozayCane]

I know I know.. just 2 game against scrubs..

Tbh.. I’m just afraid of this being Dan Enos part 2.

I just don’t want to see Big 10/Michigan style offense at Miami. I just don’t. IMO it won’t win us the games that matter, and it’ll hurt us with recruiting down here..

This is all just my opinion.

I’m hoping Gattis is smart and realize these things as well, that’s if Mario isn’t to stubborn, and allows it.. cause I also think this is what Mario wants to see.. This slow pace, supposedly complex offense has shown to not be successful with our players..

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

No, I'm staying, but the rest of you can go

I’m not the one that just said the site might as well shut down because our opinions are meaningless without a vote. You truly don’t make any sense…

 

[gacaneaddict]

Everyone saying Alabama modernized and they did. But did you watch the semi final against Cincinnati where they basically went "we are going to smash mouth you, try to stop it"?

I'm reserving judgement until later, but you need to be able to run the football to win championships.

No you don't need to run the ball to win championships.

Alabama didn't win it last year so not best example.

Clemson won it with QBs WRs and defense twice.

LSU won it with QB and WRs.

Alabama won with passing offense in 2020 throwing for 464 in the title game and scoring 52 points, and Jones had 5 passing TD's.

Now if you can run it great, but it's going to be a major uphill climb if you can't be elite in passing game to win a NC. UGA had an elite elite front 7, and it took Alabama's 2 best WRs getting hurt so they could finally win one.


Mario is who he is. That's why I never bought the Joe Brady hype as OC here.

His style and Mario's style clashed imo.

I'm not sure why people thought Mario would change who he is.

Now as he settles into his Miami coaching career, and sees you can't necessarily pound your way to a title, he may be forced to make some style changes.

 

[Atom Atlas]

Touché …do you think the results are being passed on to Mario and staff?

They aren't???...

....This site lies to me....

 

[dirtyred786]

I know I know.. just 2 game against scrubs..

Tbh.. I’m just afraid of this being Dan Enos part 2.

I just don’t want to see Big 10/Michigan style offense at Miami. I just don’t. IMO it won’t win us the games that matter, and it’ll hurt us with recruiting down here..

This is all just my opinion.

I’m hoping Gattis is smart and realize these things as well, that’s if Mario isn’t to stubborn, and allows it.. cause I also think this is what Mario wants to see.. This slow pace, supposedly complex offense has shown to not be successful with our players..

I dont know. It actually has been pretty successful for everyone except the qb. I mean RBs are eating and receivers are getting open and catching the ball when its thrown to them. So should we work on our qb and his reads, or change the offense so he can be more comfortable staring down one receiver?

 

[dirtyred786]

No you don't need to run the ball to win championships.

Alabama didn't win it last year so not best example.

Clemson won it with QBs WRs and defense twice.

LSU won it with QB and WRs.

Alabama won with passing offense in 2020 throwing for 464 in the title game and scoring 52 points, and Jones had 5 passing TD's.

Now if you can run it great, but it's going to be a major uphill climb if you can't be elite in passing game to win a NC. UGA had an elite elite front 7, and it took Alabama's 2 best WRs getting hurt so they could finally win one.


Mario is who he is. That's why I never bought the Joe Brady hype as OC here.

His style and Mario's style clashed imo.

I'm not sure why people thought Mario would change who he is.

Now as he settles into his Miami coaching career, and sees you can't necessarily pound your way to a title, he may be forced to make some style changes.

Bad comparison. Those qbs and wrs from Clemson, Bama, and LSU were all 1st round draft picks. Which one of our receivers goes first round? Which one of Herbert's receivers in Oregon went first round?

 

[CanesSkins26]

I guess you are incapable of realizing we were 111th in rushing yards last year for a reason and it’s not a strength of this line or offense…oh and we have the best qb we’ve had in probably 20 years. So being a run heavy, ball control offense makes all the sense in the world right?

And you seem to be incapable of realizing that we

Jaylan Knighton, the guy who go almost all the carries in the second half of last year (when we couldn’t run the ball) averaged 3.4.

Honestly, a good rushing team shouldn’t average less than 4 yards against Southern Miss. That’s not what I’d consider “perfectly well”. It was adequate against a weak opponent. Once again, not going to cut it against a real team.

Knighton had 5 carries—that isn’t even close to being statistically meaningful. If you take out TVDs scrambles/sacks we rushed 31 times for 190 yards—6.1 ypc.

 

[kryptonite]

There are ways to transition without sacrificing today for the sake of tomorrow. Let’s just use the example that say we have talent at running back but our line is still average. There’s ways to run the ball that don’t require you to line up and play in a phone booth. One of the easiest ways to give your backs space is to spread the field. Force defenses to allocate defenders away from the middle of the field and use a numbers advantage. The top 6 rushing offenses in the P5 last year were Arkansas, Baylor, Tennessee, UCLA and Ole Miss. None of them have overpowering offensive lines. All besides Baylor run spread systems. Arkansas and Tennessee run straight up Air Raid systems and UCLA and Ole Miss are both no huddle, spread offenses. You can run the ball very well without having to line up with two tight ends in bunch formations.

I get that, and I'm in favor of spreading things out. Thing is, Gattis isn't. The problem is while he's learning/running spread plays to help his weak OL, he's not teaching them to be stronger in the ways he wants. I just think the hybrid thing only works if that's literally your offense. If you're an OC who takes what he like from others and mashes it together, this can work. But if you have a vision, at some point you have to get your guys practicing that vision.

We all want the same things. An O that scores lots of points because that helps win games and it's fun to watch. If Gattis can execute his offense, it can do that. But we won't know unless he has the team try it. My hope is this offense can be good enough so after next year we're arguing about if it can take us from 11 wins to 15-0.

 

[kryptonite]

the concept that you can run out of an old school formation is outdated. you can be a power spread team. you can do both (all the good teams do both). Bama does both very well. OSU does as well. OU did as well under Riley

bama and OSU have such good players they can run anything they want. bama could win the SEC every other year running the wishbone.

 

[CanesSkins26]

This.

It’s not that I want our offense to just pass the ball every down and abandon the run. I want our offense to play to the strength of our players. I understand that Mario and Gattis want to be more run heavy and I totally agree that a balanced offense is the best offense but we just don’t have the personnel to run that type of offense right now. Forcing our current offensive players to play in a system that doesn’t maximize their best talents is no different than Mark D’Onofrio forcing our players to play a two gap, 3-4 defense. Yes that can work if you have the players for it but just because that’s what you prefer, doesn’t mean it’s going to work with every roster.

Square pegs, round holes.

I take your point, but going with a heavy run focus does actually play to thr strengths of our personnel. The weakest link on our offense, by far, are the receivers. I trust Rooster and Parrish to get the job done more than anyone that we have at receiver, except for maybe Restrepo.

 

[DTP]

I take your point, but going with a heavy run focus does actually play to thr strengths of our personnel. The weakest link on our offense, by far, are the receivers. I trust Rooster and Parrish to get the job done more than anyone that we have at receiver, except for maybe Restrepo.

I guess we’ll find out just how strong that offensive line is when we try to force it down the throat of real teams.

Not sure how the weakest link in our offense is the receivers. But CIS gonna CIS. I haven’t seen a single receiver drop a pass yet in two games despite being told they can’t catch anything all off season

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

I'm not going to be an apologist for the offensive production on Saturday, but some of you calling Southern Miss a "no name" is a direct correlation to your lack of football knowledge.

Defensively (i'm not talking about the freshman QB or frank gore jr.) they only allowed 155 rushing yds/game in 2021, and added four transfers on the defensive line, 3 from the SEC and one from Memphis. They're expected to be a sleeper in the Sun Belt (and as we've seen recently with teams like App St, Georgia St, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, etc., this is no pushover conference).

This isn't some random bum G5 team. They have some guys that can play. Now - it doesn't mean we're not supposed to be significantly better than them, nor excuse the lack of offensive production (especially early on in the run game/pass blocking), but these guys don't suck.

 

[DTP]

bama and OSU have such good players they can run anything they want. bama could win the SEC every other year running the wishbone.

They could probably run the wish bone and beat most teams but why? Why make it harder for your offense than it needs to be? They don’t use the spread because they don’t have options. They use their systems because it’s the best way for them to score as much as possible. It’s much easier to score using modern offenses than the old time “pound the rock” method.

Also, this isn’t particularly directed at you. Just wanted to explain why the best offenses don’t just line up and play in a phone booth even though they probably could still be successful doing it.

 

[CanesSkins26]

I guess we’ll find out just how strong that offensive line is when we try to force it down the throat of real teams.

Not sure how the weakest link in our offense is the receivers. But CIS gonna CIS. I haven’t seen a single receiver drop a pass yet in two games despite being told they can’t catch anything all off season

So we’re judging wide receivers now just on the ability to catch the ball?!? My we’ve set the bar low. How about their routes and technique? Ability to get consistent separation? Not a receiver, but the incomplete pass to Mallory down the seem that would’ve gone for 30+ yards is a prime example—TVD put the ball where it needed to be but Mallory ran a sloppy route. Instead of an explosive play that many are clamoring for it’s an incomplete pass.

 

[DTP]

So we’re judging wide receivers now just on the ability to catch the ball?!? My we’ve set the bar low. How about their routes and technique? Ability to get consistent separation? Not a receiver, but the incomplete pass to Mallory down the seem that would’ve gone for 30+ yards is a prime example—TVD put the ball where it needed to be but Mallory ran a sloppy route. Instead of an explosive play that many are clamoring for it’s an incomplete pass.

So what have you seen that makes you think the receivers are the worst part of the offense? I’ve seen guys getting open and catching everything thrown to them so far. If Mallory can’t play then let’s stop using two tight ends all the time. I’m fine with that

 

[DTP]

Knighton had 5 carries—that isn’t even close to being statistically meaningful. If you take out TVDs scrambles/sacks we rushed 31 times for 190 yards—6.1 ypc.

If you take away all the bad plays, all that’s left are the good ones.