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[MiamiManiac]

You are comparing the likes of David Nelson to a guy like Reggie Wayne. There are at least 3 Hall of Fame players on Miami's list... and Santana Moss (not a HOF'er) would be the best player on UF's list.

Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne played at UM more than a decade ago under a different staff, a different scheme, and a different program in every possible way. What does that have to do with each school's current situation? Unless you're arguing that a receiver recruit should go to Miami and play for Golden now because a stud receiver came from the school a decade ago, which is pretty **** stupid.

The Croc put up a list of WR's in the NFL. Your new coach didn't have any of those guys, so WTH was the point of saying Wayne and Moss were under different staffs? Golden has coached more NFL WR's than your new coach lol

 

[killa1storm]

Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne played at UM more than a decade ago under a different staff, a different scheme, and a different program in every possible way. What does that have to do with each school's current situation? Unless you're arguing that a receiver recruit should go to Miami and play for Golden now because a stud receiver came from the school a decade ago, which is pretty **** stupid.

Bubba Caldwell played at UF close to a decade ago under a different staff, scheme & program in every possible way. What does that have to do with each school's current situation? Unless you're arguing that a receiver recruit should go to UF and play for McElwain now because a stud receiver came from the school a decade ago, which is pretty **** stupid.

Where did I make the argument that any receiver should go to UF right now? Frankly, while I'd obviously love for all top receivers to go to UF, I wouldn't commit to this current staff until they prove they're capable. And if Muschamp was still there there's no way in **** I would attend UF if I was an offensive recruit. My whole point was that a lot of people seem to think it's the jersey and not the players talent, the coaches he plays for, etc. that ultimately determine his level of success, it's completely retarded. A recruit will not succeed at Miami simply because another player succeeded at his position 10 years ago, likewise with UF or any other school. That would be like me arguing that QB's who want to put up big numbers should have gone to UF the last few years because well ****, Spurrier's QB's put up big numbers a decade ago.

 

[Geo305]

I'm gonna say it right now.

Lol at anyone who thinks we keep Bruce without Scarlett.


Those two are DEAD SET on playing together in college.

Geo,
Im not calling you out for this specific example, I know you do your homework. But over the past 15 years or so I can recall about a dozen times when two elite kids said they were dead set on playing together and not once do I recall it happening. Scarlett is a 2015 kid, Bruce is a 2016 kid. A lot can happen in a year.

SFBay thing is for every case of that. You have the cases JoeCane mentioned.


Bruce went out of his way to contact the new UF staff already and has made comments about percentage of his commitment to Miami.


He could stick but I don't expect it if Scarlett goes elsewhere.


I don't know how much he likes UF but if Scarlett goes to FSU I can very well see Bruce following suit.


I do believe Bruce does genuinely like Miami but as you said it's a whole other year and things can change but I don't see him sticking at this moment in time.

Pains me too because Bruce is the type of player that would come through Miami many years ago. His attitude, competitiveness and leadership. Screams a Miami kind of kid.


Bothers me even more that I strongly feel he is the most ready receiver in the state for the next level in 2016. He would be the #1 rated receiver no doubt in my mind if he was a few inches taller. That's his only knock.


Maybe I'll change my stance if we happen to win and produce next year or under a new staff but right now I just don't feel good about getting Bruce.



Everyone can bash them but Bruce and Scarlett are smart kids, they understand football a lot more than other kids their age. They will look for their best opportunity and what they feel will take them to the next step.

 

[hoops156]

I'm gonna say it right now.

Lol at anyone who thinks we keep Bruce without Scarlett.


Those two are DEAD SET on playing together in college.

Geo,
Im not calling you out for this specific example, I know you do your homework. But over the past 15 years or so I can recall about a dozen times when two elite kids said they were dead set on playing together and not once do I recall it happening. Scarlett is a 2015 kid, Bruce is a 2016 kid. A lot can happen in a year.

SFBay thing is for every case of that. You have the cases JoeCane mentioned.


Bruce went out of his way to contact the new UF staff already and has made comments about percentage of his commitment to Miami.


He could stick but I don't expect it if Scarlett goes elsewhere.


I don't know how much he likes UF but if Scarlett goes to FSU I can very well see Bruce following suit.


I do believe Bruce does genuinely like Miami but as you said it's a whole other year and things can change but I don't see him sticking at this moment in time.

Pains me too because Bruce is the type of player that would come through Miami many years ago. His attitude, competitiveness and leadership. Screams a Miami kind of kid.


Bothers me even more that I strongly feel he is the most ready receiver in the state for the next level in 2016. He would be the #1 rated receiver no doubt in my mind if he was a few inches taller. That's his only knock.


Maybe I'll change my stance if we happen to win and produce next year or under a new staff but right now I just don't feel good about getting Bruce.



Everyone can bash them but Bruce and Scarlett are smart kids, they understand football a lot more than other kids their age. They will look for their best opportunity and what they feel will take them to the next step.

sorry but UF wont take em anywhere. if ur looking to be a stud, it has to be FSU based on their recent track record.

 

[Geo305]

I'm gonna say it right now.

Lol at anyone who thinks we keep Bruce without Scarlett.


Those two are DEAD SET on playing together in college.

Geo,
Im not calling you out for this specific example, I know you do your homework. But over the past 15 years or so I can recall about a dozen times when two elite kids said they were dead set on playing together and not once do I recall it happening. Scarlett is a 2015 kid, Bruce is a 2016 kid. A lot can happen in a year.

Geo is cool but I fine it a little hard to take him seriously after the Golden debacle.

That I'm ok with as I understand.

My guy has shared many things that have come to fruition in the past that I have shared but he jumped the gun as well as I did and I'll take the heat for it.

When I'm wrong I will come and admit I'm wrong. I respect your current feelings as I would probably feel the same if roles were reversed.

I'll never try to steer you wrong though, sadly I did that time and I have to bite the bullet for jumping the gun. I'm a little ****ed still as I took a bit of a hit for it.

 

[HurricanePride]

GEO any last minute predictions? Who we finish with and we we lose??

 

[Geo305]

This may sound biased to the gator fans in here.


My thoughts always when it comes to skill positions on offense and UF.

UF is where RBs and WRs go to dissapear.

It very well could change under McElwain. So do not get offended.



As for Scarlett. I've always said that his best option would be Miami or FSU if he wants to get to the next level. Take it the wrong way if you want but that's my view.

 

[Canefam]

Improve the record and everything will fall into place...

 

[killa1storm]

This may sound biased to the gator fans in here.


My thoughts always when it comes to skill positions on offense and UF.

UF is where RBs and WRs go to dissapear.

It very well could change under McElwain. So do not get offended.



As for Scarlett. I've always said that his best option would be Miami or FSU if he wants to get to the next level. Take it the wrong way if you want but that's my view.

You're free to hold whatever view you please, the facts don't support it though. Going back to like 1990 UF has put more receivers in the league than any school, by a fairly wide margin. The same is true for backs as well. Now if you want to argue that their pros haven't been as good as Miami's, then make that argument. I would not disagree at all. But then I'm also of the belief that their success/failure at the next level doesn't have much to do with the school either, all they can do is get them there. How can you hold the collegiate staff accountable when they're not the ones coaching them on a day-to-day basis? Bottom line is UF gets skill players to the league as much as anybody.

FSU I am not even sure why they're in the discussion. Before Freeman, their last 1,000 yard back was Warrick Dunn. What notable skill guy have they put in the league in the last decade other than Anquan Boldin? I seriously can't name any.

 

[Geo305]

This may sound biased to the gator fans in here.


My thoughts always when it comes to skill positions on offense and UF.

UF is where RBs and WRs go to dissapear.

It very well could change under McElwain. So do not get offended.



As for Scarlett. I've always said that his best option would be Miami or FSU if he wants to get to the next level. Take it the wrong way if you want but that's my view.

You're free to hold whatever view you please, the facts don't support it though. Going back to like 1990 UF has put more receivers in the league than any school, by a fairly wide margin. The same is true for backs as well. Now if you want to argue that their pros haven't been as good as Miami's, then make that argument. I would not disagree at all. But then I'm also of the belief that their success/failure at the next level doesn't have much to do with the school either, all they can do is get them there. How can you hold the collegiate staff accountable when they're not the ones coaching them on a day-to-day basis? Bottom line is UF gets skill players to the league as much as anybody.

FSU I am not even sure why they're in the discussion. Before Freeman, their last 1,000 yard back was Warrick Dunn. What notable skill guy have they put in the league in the last decade other than Anquan Boldin? I seriously can't name any.

My argument for Miami vs UF is what they do at the next level. Practice squad and one and dones in the league are nice. Give me the guys who are saying the schools name in the lineup and putting the ball in the endzone. Somehow Miami is still doing it regardless of the situation at hand.

My argument about FSU, is because of the position they are in right now with winning games and competing for championships. Otherwise I would have a different stance about them.


UF and their offensive output to the league can change under McElwain though. It remains to be seen but it can.

 

[tokengator]

You are comparing the likes of David Nelson to a guy like Reggie Wayne. There are at least 3 Hall of Fame players on Miami's list... and Santana Moss (not a HOF'er) would be the best player on UF's list.

Where did I make a Comparison or even mention miami?


christ some of you are illiterate.


A poster said going to UF as a WR is career suicide. Clearly it is not. The end.

And yes I understand that it is the staff that matters most. I said as much in a post. I was just posting the graphic as counter before the illogical "the school/uniform produces positions" argument even came up.

 

[Verdeterrece15]

UF put 4 legit skill guys in league in the past 10 years
Harvin- head case and injury prone
Hernandez- we all know his case
Cooper - had one good year
Caldwell- Peyton likes him

The rest of the guys are fringe NFL players

 

[L A M P]

A poster said going to UF as a WR is career suicide. Clearly it is not. The end.

He was speaking in generalities. Guys like Chad Jackson come to mind. All the talent in the world... Wasted.

As for the bold, it's not so clear if you go by NFL production.

 

[tokengator]

A poster said going to UF as a WR is career suicide. Clearly it is not. The end.

He was speaking in generalities. Guys like Chad Jackson come to mind. All the talent in the world... Wasted.

As for the bold, it's not so clear if you go by NFL production.

if you get into the NFL then you didn't commit career suicide. You are putting way too much weight on college: NFL production.

NFL production depends on the player and his talent. The only thing a college can do is help get a guy to the NFL. What they do there is out of control of the school or college coach.

And even then that is debatable since plenty guys end up being productive in the NFL that didn't really do all that well in college.

 

[hoops156]

A poster said going to UF as a WR is career suicide. Clearly it is not. The end.

He was speaking in generalities. Guys like Chad Jackson come to mind. All the talent in the world... Wasted.

As for the bold, it's not so clear if you go by NFL production.

if you get into the NFL then you didn't commit career suicide. You are putting way too much weight on college: NFL production.

NFL production depends on the player and his talent.

outside of harvin, has there been a Gator skill player thats showing out in the league? cooper is hated in philly.

 

[L A M P]

UF put 4 legit skill guys in league in the past 10 years

Caldwell & Cooper aren't legit. They are average at best. Based on production & trade value, Harvin is too.

Hernandez was legit. Had a chance to be elite before keeping it real.

 

[tokengator]

The lack of NFL production by UF at some of skill positions tells you that UF never really brought in a lot of big time talent at those positions. Perhaps highly rated, but didn't live up to the hype.

Unless you think guys like Bubba Caldwell would be All pro if they had gone to FSU or miami, if that is the case then I guess this conversation is pointless.

 

[tokengator]

A poster said going to UF as a WR is career suicide. Clearly it is not. The end.

He was speaking in generalities. Guys like Chad Jackson come to mind. All the talent in the world... Wasted.

As for the bold, it's not so clear if you go by NFL production.

if you get into the NFL then you didn't commit career suicide. You are putting way too much weight on college: NFL production.

NFL production depends on the player and his talent.

outside of harvin, has there been a Gator skill player thats showing out in the league? cooper is hated in philly.

outside of Harvin is there a gator skill position that showed out in college?

Again, Talent is talent. UF just hasn't gotten much elite/nfl level talent at those positions.

 

[L A M P]

if you get into the NFL then you didn't commit career suicide. The only thing a college can do is help get a guy to the NFL.

College is the base for what kind of habits a player develops. Working hard, perfecting route running, catching, blocking, etc. An equal amount of that falls on the player himself but let's not act like college doesn't matter. An UDFA and a 2nd rd pick aren't under the same microscope. They don't have the same chance to "make it".

 

[tokengator]

if you get into the NFL then you didn't commit career suicide. The only thing a college can do is help get a guy to the NFL.

College is the base for what kind of habits a player develops. Working hard, perfecting route running, catching, blocking, etc. An equal amount of that falls on the player himself but let's not act like college doesn't matter. An UDFA and a 2nd rd pick aren't under the same microscope. They don't have the same chance to "make it".

I didn't say it doesn't matter. I said you are putting too much stock into it. Talent is talent.