Diaz - Best UM DC in 15 Years

Top level DCs don't go 5 years without a DC gig. Please don't tell me that getting jobs as a position coach puts him in a better position to get a HC job. That makes no sense. I suspect that Shannon is just better suited to be a position coach.

It makes no sense? Why? because you're too dense to understand it?

How can you become a successful HC if you dont try and get better and learn from better coaches?

How can you handle attrition and turnover in your staff if you're not well connected with coaches from different areas and coaching circles?

coaching is also about friendships and networking.
 
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Top level DCs don't go 5 years without a DC gig. Please don't tell me that getting jobs as a position coach puts him in a better position to get a HC job. That makes no sense. I suspect that Shannon is just better suited to be a position coach.

It makes no sense? Why? because you're too dense to understand it?

How can you become a successful HC if you dont try and get better and learn from better coaches?

How can you handle attrition and turnover in your staff if you're not well connected with coaches from different areas and coaching circles?

coaching is also about friendships and networking.
You can't learn as a DC? That's news to most people.
 
Top level DCs don't go 5 years without a DC gig. Please don't tell me that getting jobs as a position coach puts him in a better position to get a HC job. That makes no sense. I suspect that Shannon is just better suited to be a position coach.

It makes no sense? Why? because you're too dense to understand it?

How can you become a successful HC if you dont try and get better and learn from better coaches?

How can you handle attrition and turnover in your staff if you're not well connected with coaches from different areas and coaching circles?

coaching is also about friendships and networking.

Coaching is about getting more responsibility - bigger jobs - bigger programs
 
Larry Coker won coach of the year that year as well, so winning an award doesn't really mean that much. Also, wouldn't you think him taking over as a DC somewhere, and proving himself again, would be a quicker route to his next HC job? I do. I personally want to see him as a DC again.
It's just hard for me to wrap my head around him being one of the best out there, but not getting a DC job at one of the best schools that pay the best coaches the best money. Know what I mean? He should be a DC right now if he were really one of the best in the business. Still, I think he should be a DC somewhere. Maybe it's not a TOP program, but you'd think SOMEONE would be after him as DC.
Hard to tell with Randy, honestly. Kind of like Coker as HC. He had SO much talent that it probably made him look better than he really was. Why else would NO ONE hire him as a DC? I honestly thought someone would hire him as a DC, and the only reason I can think no one has is because they feel his results were due to the huge talent advantage he had while at Miami, that he wouldn't have elsewhere. Still, I'm surprised no one has given him a shot at DC.

Randy has been offered DC and HC jobs. He just interviewed for the ucf spot.

It has nothing to do with talent advantage as we all have stated ad nauseam that donofrio and al would have totally screwed that same talent randy had.

Randy is a good defensive coach. Not perfect. but def. one of the best out there

you have to actually TAKE a job though. Just because randy doesnt take jobs anywhere JUST TO SAY he has a specific title doesnt mean he isnt desired.


There are a lot of bad defenses out there man. If you think a broyles award winner, who has never shown that he can't field at least a serviceable defense, isnt getting offers then i dont know what to tell you man.

Randy is already respected as one of the best defensive teachers out there.. You can't knock him for traveling around to work under respected coaches and learning new things and developing new connections.

The man wants to be a head coach.

Right now he guts a slack job with cushy title, fat paycheck and without the responsibilities of a HC or DC.

Does larry coker have a job? Ok then.

that proves my point. He is still seen as a good enough coach to have a job. Mainly because of his success at UM and that award.


Now, you could say that taking another DC job would boost his status and allow him to get those HC jobs he wants but what is that teaching randy about the mistakes he made as a HC?

he knows he can coach a defense already. the man wants to be a HC again. Randy clearly said he wanted to travel around and learn under some respected coaches.

Randy is obviously picking and choosing the coaches he wants to learn from without stepping on the toes of their current DC hires.

Randy being DC at syracuse isnt better than being at TCU as asst HC/lb coach and learning some tips and tricks from Gary patterson.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to get what you want. but do we honestly think Randy shannon isnt an integral part of all of the defensive staffs he has coached with these last few years?
 
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Coker coached one of the best teams in college football history
- doesnt get a job for 2-3 years
- and is hired for a program that DIDNT HAVE a team prior to his arrival
- not sure you should use him as the basis of your argument
 
Does Coker sill have a job?
Larry Coker won coach of the year that year as well, so winning an award doesn't really mean that much. Also, wouldn't you think him taking over as a DC somewhere, and proving himself again, would be a quicker route to his next HC job? I do. I personally want to see him as a DC again.
It's just hard for me to wrap my head around him being one of the best out there, but not getting a DC job at one of the best schools that pay the best coaches the best money. Know what I mean? He should be a DC right now if he were really one of the best in the business. Still, I think he should be a DC somewhere. Maybe it's not a TOP program, but you'd think SOMEONE would be after him as DC.
Randy has been offered DC and HC jobs. He just interviewed for the ucf spot.

It has nothing to do with talent advantage as we all have stated ad nauseam that donofrio and al would have totally screwed that same talent randy had.

Randy is a good defensive coach. Not perfect. but def. one of the best out there

you have to actually TAKE a job though. Just because randy doesnt take jobs anywhere JUST TO SAY he has a specific title doesnt mean he isnt desired.


There are a lot of bad defenses out there man. If you think a broyles award winner, who has never shown that he can't field at least a serviceable defense, isnt getting offers then i dont know what to tell you man.

Randy is already respected as one of the best defensive teachers out there.. You can't knock him for traveling around to work under respected coaches and learning new things and developing new connections.

The man wants to be a head coach.

Right now he guts a slack job with cushy title, fat paycheck and without the responsibilities of a HC or DC.

Does larry coker have a job? Ok then.

that proves my point. He is still seen as a good enough coach to have a job. Mainly because of his success at UM and that award.


Now, you could say that taking another DC job would boost his status and allow him to get those HC jobs he wants but what is that teaching randy about the mistakes he made as a HC?

he knows he can coach a defense already. the man wants to be a HC again. Randy clearly said he wanted to travel around and learn under some respected coaches.

Randy is obviously picking and choosing the coaches he wants to learn from without stepping on the toes of their current DC hires.

Randy being DC at syracuse isnt better than being at TCU as asst HC/lb coach and learning some tips and tricks from Gary patterson.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to get what you want. but do we honestly think Randy shannon isnt an integral part of all of the defensive staffs he has coached with these last few years?
 
Hard to tell with Randy, honestly. Kind of like Coker as HC. He had SO much talent that it probably made him look better than he really was. Why else would NO ONE hire him as a DC? I honestly thought someone would hire him as a DC, and the only reason I can think no one has is because they feel his results were due to the huge talent advantage he had while at Miami, that he wouldn't have elsewhere. Still, I'm surprised no one has given him a shot at DC.

Couldn't put out a decent D as HC, which was not surprising, but probably provides creedence to your thoughts.
 
Going to let him coach UM before I put a tag on him, The prior coach's had the same time frame.
Judgment will come after the first season
 
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****, I've heard a lot of nutty conspiracy theories that make more sense than your spin on Shannon.

Yeah, because its not public news that UCF was considering him for a HC position. So when Shannon says he's been offered jobs for DC and HC , its a conspiracy theory... even though its public news hes being offered interviews?

STFU.
 
Which is it? Rumored to be considered for the UCF job, or offered? If offered, why would he turn it down?
Your infatuation with Shannon as some football mastermind is bizarre. You say things are one way. Events of the past 5 years show something very different.

I get it. You're a big fan of Randy Shannon. I wish Shannon nothing but the best. I just don't think he's currently implementing some master plan to get a HC job. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to sway you from what you believe, so maybe we can just agree to disagree.
 
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****, I've heard a lot of nutty conspiracy theories that make more sense than your spin on Shannon.

Nah dude. It's very common for former major program head coaches that are about 50 years old to go for YEARS as position coaches after they're fired making $400k and less BY CHOICE. Ol' Randy is playing career chess ya see? Everyone else is playing checkers. You just wait until he does accept a DC job in the year 2025 and you'll eat those words. Radio is one step ahead of the game.
 
I know there are many on the board that are disappointed in the hire however I think he is the best DC at UM in 15 years - my argument
- Donofrio - Dont need to argue this one
- John Lovett - After UM was coaching Hartford Colonials special teams
- Bill Young - After UM few years at Ok State then became a HIGH SCHOOL coach
- Tim Walton - Great DB coach - never asked to be DC at a major program
- Randy Shannon - Yes he was the DC during some great times but no one has hired him for the DC since

You have to go back to the Gorilla to find a DC that after they left Miami..... someone else wanted them in a big job

He has the potential to be exactly that but to discount both onion & bill young is absurd. Both of them are monsters. Randy hasn't got another spot simply because of Nevin shapiro & young hasn't done anything since ok state cause he's a very old man. Both of them were beasts. If bill would've stayed here rather than going back to his alma mater this probably wouldn't be a discussion. All that being said Diaz does have that potential & I pray to God he achieves it here.
 
Randy Shannon by a mile. I mean c'mon, just go look at the numbers he put up as defensive coordinator. Even 5 years after Butch left.

One thing Shannon knew how to do was keep it simple on defense, get at the QB with 4, and play press cover 2 behind it - rinse repeat. Can't knock the guy because our roster was loaded. Did he play no part in developing the talent as DC?

That's like discrediting the work Soldinger did with the RBs, or Mark Stoops with the DBs, etc.

I'm sorry but you could feel free to ask anyone on those teams onion was wishy washy & disliked by many because he played favorites rather than the best at the position. Just ask Willie & Arthur brown. Anyways the best coach by far at that time & one of the best ever on our staff is sarge. Coach soldinger was an amazing coach & an amazing man. Father figure to us all regardless of football. He taught us to be men. I was praying he'd be added to this staff but he runs a very successful camp for high school kids that he goes around the country with. Would've been nice.
 
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This makes no sense. 1) we don't know what Diaz is at Miami yet. 2) Randy fielded great defenses. And 3) Randy or anyone else's performance after UM doesn't matter as you should be comparing tenures while a UM coordinator
 
I know there are many on the board that are disappointed in the hire however I think he is the best DC at UM in 15 years - my argument
- Donofrio - Dont need to argue this one
- John Lovett - After UM was coaching Hartford Colonials special teams
- Bill Young - After UM few years at Ok State then became a HIGH SCHOOL coach
- Tim Walton - Great DB coach - never asked to be DC at a major program
- Randy Shannon - Yes he was the DC during some great times but no one has hired him for the DC since

You have to go back to the Gorilla to find a DC that after they left Miami..... someone else wanted them in a big job

Why stop there? Mark Richt is the best UM Coach EVER!
 
Are you serious OP... Randy Shannon is one of the best DCs Miami has ever had. Would've been the best option available, (which I have said a number of times already) for our program.... but Diaz runs the scheme we need and Richt is a very good coach so whatever.
 
Hard to tell with Randy, honestly. Kind of like Coker as HC. He had SO much talent that it probably made him look better than he really was. Why else would NO ONE hire him as a DC? I honestly thought someone would hire him as a DC, and the only reason I can think no one has is because they feel his results were due to the huge talent advantage he had while at Miami, that he wouldn't have elsewhere. Still, I'm surprised no one has given him a shot at DC.

Bingo
 
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