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DAILY DEBATE: What needs to improve in the running game?
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HurricanePhilly
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I dont know if there is an answer...yet. Like others have said lets get healthy. I'd like to see what happens the first time a team tries to focus on our passing game more and only brings 4-5.
Maybe we arent creative? Maybe we have just decided to just be simple running to keep teams a bit honest. I think USF is athletic enough to show us a bit more and we may need to do a bit.
To much unknown at this point I think.
Maybe we arent creative? Maybe we have just decided to just be simple running to keep teams a bit honest. I think USF is athletic enough to show us a bit more and we may need to do a bit.
To much unknown at this point I think.
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Just looks really vanilla. Condensed. Starters on the line out. Old man cam also was a great run blocker. Not sure arroyo or Riley are at that level
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I think we overrated our OL backups also. Bell is very green. McCoy is good but not great at guard. Luis is what he is
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we need to run for more yards. EZPZ
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It's been a plethora of reasons, all fixable.
Scheme (i.e. motioning wr down in condensed sets), splits, injuries, stacked boxes, lack of creativity outside of redzone at times, missing cutback lanes by rbs. I challenge the fans to three things:
1. not focus on a 2h vs backup ball state players and instead look at All three games in the first half where we've struggled
2. Be patient until around fsu to draw a strong conclusion. My gut tells me it won't change based on what I've seen last yr and this yr so far. If anything, teams selling to stop the pass will be what helps, but ima hold off until fsu until I make solid conclusions.
3. Watch Tennessee film. They're the only team I've seen with as tight as splits as we have in cfb. Their scheme and formations help a ton with breaking long runs.
Scheme (i.e. motioning wr down in condensed sets), splits, injuries, stacked boxes, lack of creativity outside of redzone at times, missing cutback lanes by rbs. I challenge the fans to three things:
1. not focus on a 2h vs backup ball state players and instead look at All three games in the first half where we've struggled
2. Be patient until around fsu to draw a strong conclusion. My gut tells me it won't change based on what I've seen last yr and this yr so far. If anything, teams selling to stop the pass will be what helps, but ima hold off until fsu until I make solid conclusions.
3. Watch Tennessee film. They're the only team I've seen with as tight as splits as we have in cfb. Their scheme and formations help a ton with breaking long runs.
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I haven't seen Tennessee this season, but Huepal has always been known for wide O-Line splits... It's one of his philosophies he picked up from Lebby and the Art Briles scheme.
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Counters, Traps, running off tackle, shovel passes and quick screens. Put the emphasis on quick and speedy.
I think because of how effective Cam Ward is, a few more clever draw plays would really freeze up defenses.
Personally, I think toss plays should not be a part of the offense. They are typically too slow and cumbersome.
I am just an amatuer though.
I think because of how effective Cam Ward is, a few more clever draw plays would really freeze up defenses.
Personally, I think toss plays should not be a part of the offense. They are typically too slow and cumbersome.
I am just an amatuer though.
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I really don't care. Damien is making a lot of money for 3yds. Good business man.
Keep the offense as is.
Keep the offense as is.
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A FB and a QB who can't throw are the two easiest answers I can give. lol The run game will be fine. The pass game was just more efficient against who we've played so far.
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The tight splits thing plays into the hat on hat philosophy. Mirabal and mario want to gallop block then get their lineman to the 2nd level.
I like it but they should stop the kicking down an unlocked door method and try to create some wider run lanes
I like it but they should stop the kicking down an unlocked door method and try to create some wider run lanes
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i don't hate our simple run it up the gut runs. very small chance of a TFL or catching a holding call, which are drive killers that i don't see any reason to chance this year with how great our pass offense is. we were real good at it last year and i suspect we'll get better this year too once rivers and cooper are back and our new backs gain more experience navigating the tight spaces (there was one play in first half last game that i thought martinez could have had a nice run had he ran straight up the middle inside 84 but it looked like he tried to run outside the guard and got stuffed).
most of our issues against ball st in first half were cause of how they sold out to stop the run. first drive of second half we got a light box twice (trips wide the first time and 3 WR the second time split 1 & 2) and fletcher gashed them running behind mccoy's outside shoulder. i like what i've seen from mccoy and would wager he'll be fulltime starter going forward at that guard spot. get rivers back and run behind left side with cooper pulling that way too on occasion and i think we'll do well when we venture outside the guards.
i really like how dawson called the first drive of second half:
arroyo has missed a ton of blocks too. hopefully he improves/gets more consistent as he's such a threat in the passing game you can't take him off the field. riley williams is our best blocking TE when he lines up inline, i dunno if at his size he can do the motion blocks that we're asking arroyo to do but might be worth a shot to give him some reps in that role too. since coach doesn't give a **** about deception might as well run more 2TE sets with riley in there when we're gonna run (i still have hopes that sometime this decade we will do play fake out of heavy 2/3 TE set and hit a TE wide open 20 yards down the field lol)
i believe we're gonna sprinkle in some read option looks with cam too, making the defense account for him on run plays will help. i liked those two back looks we showed versus ball st too (think it was lyle and cjj in first half) flaring cjj out of those formations should lighten up the box if we choose to run.
most of our issues against ball st in first half were cause of how they sold out to stop the run. first drive of second half we got a light box twice (trips wide the first time and 3 WR the second time split 1 & 2) and fletcher gashed them running behind mccoy's outside shoulder. i like what i've seen from mccoy and would wager he'll be fulltime starter going forward at that guard spot. get rivers back and run behind left side with cooper pulling that way too on occasion and i think we'll do well when we venture outside the guards.
i really like how dawson called the first drive of second half:
1. rpo that cam prolly should have handed off to fletch,
2. ran into the light box set up by trips wide, and
3. when box got heavy on 3rd and four we hit brown over the middle for the conversion when he sat down nicely in the open space.
4. next play box was light again and we gashed them when 8/70/78 all did a great job blocking on the left side.
5. then we did the thing that everyone hates - created a heavy box by bringing x in motion to block, but that play temporarily got offtrack cause 8 and cristobal missed their blocks (not cause of the guy X brought into the box) but fletch was possessed at that point and broke tackles for a nice gain
6. finished it with a beauty going empty sending martinez opposite the play side and george walked into end zone on screen
more manipulation of space with formations and motion like that drive would be nice going forward.arroyo has missed a ton of blocks too. hopefully he improves/gets more consistent as he's such a threat in the passing game you can't take him off the field. riley williams is our best blocking TE when he lines up inline, i dunno if at his size he can do the motion blocks that we're asking arroyo to do but might be worth a shot to give him some reps in that role too. since coach doesn't give a **** about deception might as well run more 2TE sets with riley in there when we're gonna run (i still have hopes that sometime this decade we will do play fake out of heavy 2/3 TE set and hit a TE wide open 20 yards down the field lol)
i believe we're gonna sprinkle in some read option looks with cam too, making the defense account for him on run plays will help. i liked those two back looks we showed versus ball st too (think it was lyle and cjj in first half) flaring cjj out of those formations should lighten up the box if we choose to run.
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Alright, going back and looking, they seem tighter this year and it's more the guard and tackle splits. Maybe not as tight as ours all the time, but tighter than I expected for their "scheme". Alot of pulling/power runs allowing for lanes/getting outside. It caught my eye this year in that nc state game for some reason.
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More quick developing runs. More outside runs and counters. I'm also sick of hearing how since we are an "Air Raid" passing offense that we have to run the ball inside. BS! OK maybe it's better to run inside zone/duo as your running game philosophy when you run Air Raid passing concepts but I seriously doubt that means that we have to run up the middle right up the A$$ of the Center or one of the Guards on every running play. Also can we stop telegraphing our running plays? Everytime Restrepo is on the field and he moves in toward the OL everyone in the stadium knows we are running the ball.
I know the past 2 games have been against seriously overmatched opponents and that we have been very vanilla(haven't had to dip into the playbook per Dawson and Ward). Now that we are getting into ACC play we should likely see more variety in the run game. That includes USF as well even though I feel we should maul their DL especially if the OL is healthy. Plus I think the team is sick and tired of hearing how great USF is because they hung tough with Alabama through 3 quarters. I hope we rush for 300 yards and throw for 350.
I know the past 2 games have been against seriously overmatched opponents and that we have been very vanilla(haven't had to dip into the playbook per Dawson and Ward). Now that we are getting into ACC play we should likely see more variety in the run game. That includes USF as well even though I feel we should maul their DL especially if the OL is healthy. Plus I think the team is sick and tired of hearing how great USF is because they hung tough with Alabama through 3 quarters. I hope we rush for 300 yards and throw for 350.