Culture is not just a buzzword

[CaneTheGaytors]

It's not a buzzword...

But it is a crutch that you guys are hanging onto for dear life without realizing you're already exhausting all your excuses in year 1...

However, it will definitely make for very creative & entertaining excuse making in the future & that's always something to look forward to.

Facts!

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

As I said in this thread, people laugh at the word because they don't really understand it or have only experienced the crap/fake version in their crap job:

The Culture Part Will Take Time

Revisiting this topic from the offseason because of how Mario needs to weave in optimizing what he currently has WHILE transforming the program's culture (over time). Those of us rooting for losses and more destruction are completely missing the mark this time, IMO. Mario is here to stay. The...

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The issue is, as I concluded even in September, it should NOT be an excuse for the level of scorched earth we've seen this year. Everyone realizes many people didn't expect too much, right? Some competence. Natural roster turnover and cleaning out. Maybe a win more than last season. Not too much.

****, that thread above was in September. Building mindsets and habits (what actual "culture" means) are most definitely not excuses for the rest of the mess we've seen in subsequent weeks. We are a clearly mismatched program and the dysfunction currently spills out in multiple ways.

Again, Mario was paid a ton of money and given a ton of resources (to select good fits for the transition). That comes with a higher responsibility and expectation. You can build your own culture WHILE avoiding turning everything to utter trash. In business, it happens all the time. Otherwise, new CEOs would basically file bankruptcy and then start from scratch each time. It happens all the time in sports, too. There are multiple examples of it in college football this year.

Careful with stating facts, brother. That Zbrod dude isn’t one to listen to logic and reason.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

You know there will be though. Love the culture if we're doing better and **** the culture if we aren't.

Best cure for culture are two things. Talent and not having some **** *** corching. Guys will go past where they thought they could for someone they believe in. They don't believe in this staff and what coaches, that's something they can only answer.

This is what really ****es me off about some of the ****** jabronies on CiS.

Calling the players losers and quitters. Saying that they have no heart. That’s some bullshyt. Anyone that saw that game on Saturday all the way to the end saw our defensive line fighting to not give up more points. Did some kids quit, probably. But to lump all of them together is some bullshyt.

The ***kers that are doing this do it with every new head corch that we hire. For the last 20 years it has been “the players suck”, “they’re JAGS”, “they’re losers”, “they’re overrated”, “they can kick rocks and transfer.” Then after said head corch gets fired, the entire insane cycle starts again.

These same “losers and JAGS” as some of these imbeciles call them, finished last season on a 6-1 streak, and looked eons better than anything that has been unveiled on the field this season by Mario and his **** staph.

If the players ain’t buying in, it’s because players know a busta when they see one. They’re not stupid, as some of you might think.

Mario is on the ****** clock. As @Cribby said, nearly the entire team will be new next season. I’m already predicting some of these same posters calling the new players losers and JAGS when we don’t look a lot better, and the irony is that most of them still won’t be able to tell that…

IT’S THE CORCHING!

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

No.

You really have that little faith in Mario turning this around huh? We will most likely be 4-8 and he will bring a top 5 class maybe top 3 with what is happening.

We know the coaching , especially on the offense has been BAD. But the last 2 games have been Skewed without TVD healthy making us worse than what we were.

So basically when I see Mario changing the Oregon program and winning there , applying those principles he learned at Bama there is that something we are supposed to ignore? Are we supposed to say yeah we will ignore that body of evidence because this season has been such an abomination and there has been so much regression that yeah it wont work here?

All Mario really has to do is make a change at OC. Of course that is very important. And yee THE COACHING STAFF deserves ALOT of blame. That is a given. But to think alot of these players dont resent Mario, care more about their brand and social media profiles than actually getting better is miopic imo. These guys are Diaz players. They played hard last year to save Diaz. What is the incentive to play hard for a guy who has UM championship level standards? There is a LOT of that as well.

My thing is that there WILL be a correction on the coaching staff this offseason. He will have an opportunity to bring in players through the portal and a MONSTER recruiting class. To think that all he learned from Saban, and his program building at Oregon is not evidence that he can eventually lead Miami to compete and win the ACC .. I mean you would have to believe that he will continue hiring the worse OC in college football. I expect 7-5 and 8-4 at MOST next year with a good OC. Thats average. But you bring a Golesh type and I think he can do well here and there is historical evidence backing him up.

Now that I have ranted I want to ask you 2 questions @Liberty City El . I always respect your opinions even when we disagree so here it goes:

Do you not have faith that Mario can hire a good coordinator? And do you see us as a 4/5 win team next year as well?

Not @LCE, but I’ll answer.

No, I do not.

He’s now on the clock. If he puts the same **** product on the field next season with an entire new roster, then you’ll have your answer live and in living color.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

A group of mostly teenagers isn't going to do a sophisticated analysis of organizational psychology. They simply know they went from being a top 25 offense to being one of, if not, THE worst offenses in cfb almost overnight. They know the new OC is making almost 2 million per year, more money than most will see in a lifetime, and they know this knew OC tossed every offensive concept that worked for the last two years in the garbage. And because the coach has failed to do his job well, they don't believe in him.

But now the players are being told that its all THEIR fault the OC is failing. When the OC puts them in condensed sets that results in extra defenders in the box, it's the players fault. When after five games he finally changes the offense to bring back some concepts that worked last year, they saw the offense produce again. But then even after the fleeting success, the OC went right back to the lack of spacing and condensed sets after TVD got injured. To no one's surprise, the offense went back to being garbage. But some fans insist the offensive woes are just a result of toxic players.

And the players see Cristobal bring his new S&C coach with a handlebar mustache, and they hear that Oregon players got injured at an alarming rate. They know those injuries can end careers. Then they see their friends on the team blowing out knees and ACLs. Maybe it's bad luck and has nothing to do with the new trainer. Bad luck at Oregon, and more bad luck at UM. Sheer coincidence.
But athletes are a superstitious lot, fair or unfair, they are going to associate the new coach with career ending injuries. So players worrying about their own health and careers is also now considered toxic.

Fans are saying that if only the players believed more in their coaches, we wouldn't be going into our third game without a touchdown. That lack of belief is creating a "toxic culture.". It seems our fanbase thinks players need to have blind faith in the coaches and the coaches shouldnt need to earn trust or respect.

Fact is most fans don't really want leaders on the team , they want lemmings.

All around cfb we see coaches who took over programs that were far worse, yet are succeeding in their first season. But UM fans start doing mental gymnastics to rationalize it- oh, you see those programs don't have has many S Fl players. It's the high schools in S fl that breed softness. UM is unique in cfb - no other university has to deal with bad high school cultures like us. And then it's the junior high schools fault. And then it's the parents who don't teach loyalty and toughness. The excuses for bad coaching never stop.

Fantastic post!

 

[Dghustla]

Harbaugh also excelled at the highest possible level and built programs

He has a lot more credibility than Mario

Of course culture matters. But this is the same team that was better last year under a laughable head coach

Not sure why we still need to keep bringing this up

I see “credibility” is the new buzzword around here.

Literally the only ppl who question Mario’s credibility are canes fans on their board and rivals who should.

The guy has reputation as a program builder, who recruits the best players, and is known for instilling discipline and toughness.

And despite a losing record has one of the top classes in the country…

But apparently CIS grand jury has decided his “credibility” is in question.

 

[Dghustla]

It's not a buzzword...

But it is a crutch that you guys are hanging onto for dear life without realizing you're already exhausting all your excuses in year 1...

However, it will definitely make for very creative & entertaining excuse making in the future & that's always something to look forward to.

I guess it was a buzzword for Bill Walsh

Who went 2-14 and 6-10 with Niners before eventually turnining it around.

He accredited his eventual success to setting a standard and building a culture day one and rooting out anyone who didn’t fit.

Culture alone isn’t enough but it is the starting point.

 

[HurikaneMarc]

Exactly.

Some of the quotes from that article also mentioned how Gattis caused a divide amongst the coaches on that staff. So the same article showing how much culture matters also portrays Gattis as being horrible for the culture of last years team. Might solve why this years team has fallen off so much.

I think that the moral of the story is that this Poogi guy recognized the divide in the coaches and gathered the Offensive staff together and told them to get their **** together and back Gattis. If Mario hasn't done that by now, at minimum he's a naive leader. He has to know that Gattis didn't get to bring his own guys in so if the guys Mario brought in aren't in line with Gattis Mario, as the CEO, has to get them in line in no uncertain terms. If they fail to come together as a staff, the team has no chance.

 

[mlw352]

After this offseason there better not be any culture talk. The roster will be flipped.

40-50 new kids ?

 

[canesbaby]

40-50 new kids ?

Between recruits and portal, those are the numbers that have been thrown around on this site by those who know.

 

[gabednconfused]

Sounds like… Michigan state in 2021. There is a clear need for house cleaning. It sucks this staff is more oil to this teams water, but there really isn’t much more we can do besides wait it out.

Also, I think you have to be really honest with yourself our lack of depth on the offensive line is what killed us. Losing 4/5 starters to injury I mean ****. No shot there. Between that, defensive secondary, and linebackers I think you can call the season right there.

 

[TaylorWalls]

The ***kers that are doing this do it with every new head corch that we hire. For the last 20 years it has been “the players suck”, “they’re JAGS”, “they’re losers”, “they’re overrated”, “they can kick rocks and transfer.” Then after said head corch gets fired, the entire insane cycle starts again.

That's because we have tried coaches with different philosophies, from different backgrounds, Miami guys and non-Miami guys, you name it. Yet they have all failed with the same recruiting base.

 

[Sugarcane521]

How did richt immediately improve the team in his first year if our culture was so bad?


Its called coaching.

Go back and watch the 10 win wonder season. One could say there was plenty of luck on the field that year. Not coaching

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Go back and watch the 10 win wonder season. One could say there was plenty of luck on the field that year. Not coaching

That was also our 2nd season. 2016 was his first season, and we went 9-4. Which was pretty much on par for where we were at that time, **** we went 8-5 the year before and it got Al Golden fired. But again, I wouldn't expect our fans to know what happened with our program.

 

[RVACane]

Between recruits and portal, those are the numbers that have been thrown around on this site by those who know.

It sounds crazy at first blush but it’s not. A 25 man class and 15 transferring or graduating brings it to 40. I’m hoping it’s more.

 

[RVACane]

Thumbs up for your second paragraph if we have to recruit 4-5 stars as the only way to win games, we are in trouble.

Regarding you being the most disliked, Stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s the opposite and the Maude’s can put it to a poll “Is LCE one of the most disliked posters in CIS” @JD08 and @RVACane.

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[Kempo Cane]

The hope with Mario has always been about the ceiling via recruiting.

I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I ever thought the performance on the field would be this bad, nor will I lie and say I'm not concerned in the least bit. Even the biggest Mario supporter, which I am, has got to have their eyebrows raised by this. It's staggering to play 9 games and not play well in literally any of them.

BUT...I think the ceiling is what we're chasing here. And as far away as we are from this currently, at Miami you hire a coach to make the playoffs and compete for a national championship. You literally cannot do that with Mike Leach, or the vast majority of other coaches who were discussed here. You can only do it by stacking multiple elite recruiting classes. That's literally the only blueprint. Even teams like Notre Dame, who had an excellent football coach combined with pretty good classes and benefits from not playing in a conference, was exposed multiple times on that stage. You literally cannot win at the level of UGA, Taint, Bama, even Clemson, etc without stacking mega classes together. So we went out and got one of the very few guys who could do that, and at that same time, this exact person was the one who could attract the financial backers to make this possible in the NIL area.

Now, this guy might be such a horrible coach that we can't win even with the best talent. I wouldn't have said that 3 months ago, but again, I couldn't have possibly fathomed what I've seen this year. But at the end of the day, we're chasing the top of the mountain. I saw someone earlier say hiring Leach would have us playing meaningful games right now. EL OH EL. You wanna play meaningful games, or you wanna compete for championships? Yes, I would love to be playing meaningful games too, but there is no ceiling with Leach. He can't recruit the way you MUST recruit in order to compete with playoff teams. So as horrendous and eye-opening as this year has been, ask yourself this: If Miami was, say, 8-1 right now....would the recruiting class be any better than it is? Honestly, probably not. So this **** has been beyond brutal to watch, but if he can somehow hold this class together and add some of the pieces we're hearing about, along with some staff shakeups, I think we're still probably on schedule, as odd as that is so say after what's transpired the past 9 games.

I just refuse to believe this guy and Mirabal and Coach Joe and Coach Steele and Charlie Strong etc. have literally completely forgotten how to coach football. Mario was never even close to this bad at Oregon. ****, he wasn't this bad at FIU once he got a year or two under his belt. I have to believe this was just a much bigger rebuild than we'd have ever dreamed of, he whiffed on an OC, and the season went off the rails early and the kids (and probably some of the staff) packed it in like they have for most of the past 20 years.

But, unless something insane happens, this dude is going to assemble an elite roster with guys he has hand-picked and will have been able to coach since Day 1. That is a given, and a fact. So I'm willing to at least let him get to that point and then see if he's truly as awful of a coach as he's been the first 9 weeks. But he needs to surround himself with some better dudes, both as players and coaches. I know the former will happen. He cannot let the latter continue to underperform. If Gattis is employed in a month, I'll be very concerned.

 

[JHallCanes]

I see “credibility” is the new buzzword around here.

Literally the only ppl who question Mario’s credibility are canes fans on their board and rivals who should.

The guy has reputation as a program builder, who recruits the best players, and is known for instilling discipline and toughness.

And despite a losing record has one of the top classes in the country…

But apparently CIS grand jury has decided his “credibility” is in question.

I didn’t say Mario didn’t have credibility. I said Harbaugh has more. That’s really not a groundbreaking statement.

I don’t think that’s a knock against Mario. Harbaugh built an NFL team that was struggling when he took over and went to the Super Bowl. Not to mention San Diego St and Stanford.

People are so dramatic, but sure by all means take what I said and use it to fit your emotional narrative.

 

[DTP]

I guess it was a buzzword for Bill Walsh

Who went 2-14 and 6-10 with Niners before eventually turnining it around.

He accredited his eventual success to setting a standard and building a culture day one and rooting out anyone who didn’t fit.

Culture alone isn’t enough but it is the starting point.

What was the 49ers record before they hired Walsh? Yeah, they were 2-14. Walsh inherited a terrible team and built it from the ground up.

The 2021 Miami Hurricanes weren’t a terrible team. They had flaws but still went 7-5, including winning 6 of the final 7 games. The idea that you have to get worse to get better is totally ludicrous to me and doesn’t apply anywhere outside of the coaching profession.

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

I think anyone can agree culture helps.

But losing to MTSU... how you think the culture is over there?

So when culture was most likely equal between teams, and you lose to less talented teams...we saw a real problem with the coaching itself. What people don't want, are those deficiencies being masked by culture alone.

But we get it, this fan base used to brag for years about the locker room culture. It used to be one of our staples.

I mean you're completely ignoring that it was an anomaly of a game, as well—the epitome of everything that could go wrong actually going wrong; like a nightmare you don't wake up from.

TVD with an interception on the first play from offense, gifting them the ball on the 13-yard line and forcing a field goal. TVD then threw a pick-six on his next passing attempt and it's 10-0.

Jaylan Knighton fumbles on Miami's third possession. Secondary gives up 71-yard touchdown two drives later.

12-play, 61-yard drive stuffed on 4th-and-4—gives up 89-yard play two plays later (leads to another touchdown a few plays later.)

Down 24-3, missed opp to recover MTSU fumbled punt.

31-17 game, another failed 4th-and-Goal from the two falls incomplete—gives up 98-yard touchdown first play after turning the ball over.

Even after running back a kickoff, the Canes' defense gives up a 12-play, 75-yard, six-minute, clock eating, fourth quarter drive to negate it.

There were two 14-point swings (quick MTSU touchdowns after Miami turned it over on downs) snd the Canes were in a 10-0 hole on two plays by TVD.

No "excuse" for losing a game like this, but this was partially a culture problem as Miami guys were quitting—just like MTSU is doing in every game since the upset—as well as literally every bounce or break in the game NOT going the Canes' way.