Culture is not just a buzzword

[TexasCane90]

I think anyone on this board that says we don't have a culture problem is out of touch. You cannot go from Manny to Mario. You just can't.

That being said, and the article alludes to it, it's not just players that need to buy in to culture. It's coaches too. I don't think everyone on this staff is capable of being part of a unified culture right now.

The question: Is Mario capable of creating a sustainable culture?

Let’s be honest this has been a baton hand off of mediocre coaches that started with country club Coker, Shannon who was in over his head and then quit at the end, Golden who couldn’t stop talking about a cloud that made him go into a shell and sticking with his butt buddy Dorito till the bitter end , Richt who was all but retired and letting his son play OCs helper, and then manny who had no business landing the job other than being a suck up too Flake James

This was a couple of decades in the making…. Way too long that this has been the normal… so many bad habits to break up and down the program…. LOSER MENTALITY

 

[Zbrod95]

Zero chance you actually believe this. You are one of the most respected posters on this site.

He’s full of it. Always has been.

He’s talking like that because he backed these players just like Dmoney did.

 

[Zbrod95]

Nothing has changed , it’s coaching and players but are people insinuating theres not a culture problem ? Sorry but there’s been major issues inside that locker room for years. There’s also been a major issue with development. This year the coaching has been pitiful but acting like this is all coaching is just as delusional as saying it’s all on the players.

Thank you. That’s all I’ve been saying since MTSU and A&M.

 

[Udynasty]

Mario was on staff (98-2000) under Butch as a GA long before Saban...and he witnessed how Butch built the Greatest collection of talent in NCAA History...talent even Saban can't F with....5 NFL HOFers came outta that group. With Saban, he saw Great things as well, but with a Brinks truck at Sabans disposal. Huge difference. Give Butch that same Brinks truck, and a worthwhile Salary at the end of 2000...and we'd have 2 more NCs in Hecht, and that's being conservative.

Then this Makes the point even more. Generations of program buildong from Butch To Saban. He exacerbated the suckiness with the Gattis hire but are we to believe this abomination will be status quo forever? Say he wins 7-8 games next year he already can promise marked improvement and land a stellar 24 class on top of the 23 class with portal adds. I dobt someone who has had those mentors and is meticulous about proccess and had already used those lessons to build Oregon would just suck forever as a 4/5 win corch that was scoring 17 ppg.

 

[423Hurricane]

I havent been on the board as much lately but who is "Yall"? I dont read many people on here NOT holding the HC and staff accountable for their **** poor job this year.

To dismiss the fact that we have a toxic culture/locker room...and that it does affect on field performance would be blind. To put all of our problems/results on it would be ludicrous as well.

Mario could have walked in here on day 1, rolled out the slip and slide, lit up a joint, put up xhamster on the jumbotron and been their best friend. If that happened, Id bet you a burger that we would have sneaked out a win against MTSU, Duke, and maybe even TAM. Whether you or I like it or not, he is trying to create a very different locker room/menatlity...one that he thinks will set us up for greatness...not above average. Step back to take 2 step forwards if you will. Problem is Mario ***ed up in some other areas to make this hill to climb a little steeper.

Saban apologized on Gameday this Sat for joking around with Bryce last week when they were up 35 to 0 in the 4th. Said no one should be smiling until the game is over. Period. Weve had kids smiling and dancing when we lose...and coaches letting them get away with it for years. Its not a crutch or an excuse..is simply one of many problems need fixing.

I not so sure that if people get bent out of shape by what you say, its all because they dont like how it sounds (maybe a few). From some of the posts Ive seen, you just seem very one sided in where you lay the blame. Its OK to spread it around a little. Coaches have choices...so do the players. They all should be held accountable.

Excellent synopsis. There are some that focus, for whatever reason/s, on one/two particular issues and run it into the ground and refuse to look at the entirety of the situation. Those that take the aforementioned stance tend to get the most attention due to their constant posting of their narrow minded view/s.

Referring to y’all insinuates a significant amount of people have the same view/opinion. I don’t believe that’s the case especially now with what we’ve seen on the field up to this point.

Attempting to drive home one’s narrow minded view rarely influences others to follow suit.

 

[hoops156]

You know there will be though. Love the culture if we're doing better and **** the culture if we aren't.

Best cure for culture are two things. Talent and not having some **** *** corching. Guys will go past where they thought they could for someone they believe in. They don't believe in this staff and what coaches, that's something they can only answer.

somehow richt turned the bad culture golden left into a 9 win team and a 10 win team b2b. good coaching can win and even in year 1, richt had a 4 game losing streak. team turned the corner after that and closed w 5 straight wins. this team is getting blown out by everyone under the sun.

 

[WaterburyCane]

culture talk always show up when you start losing. I doubt culture has anything to do with not using personnel correctly or when a safety is not playing their assignment.

Imo you need results to sustain a culture.

@SWFLHurricane you this post so I have a question for you....and not trying to be snarky..legit question. When a safety is missing their assignment and say jumps it to try to make an interception when their assignment was to provide over the top coverage.....how is that particular instance not on the player? The coach isnt coaching him to do that. That's not how its being done at practice Id wager.

Im all my years of basketball, I never blamed my coach, my teammates, culture, nothing when I made a bad pass, missed a shot, let a guard drive by me for a shot, etc etc. That was all on me.

Just trying to get other perspectives so I can form my opinions.

 

[Cribby]

Thank you. That’s all I’ve been saying since MTSU and A&M.

To be fair you’ve been defending the coaches pretty hard all season. Just saying.

 

[Noliaboi]

Hard to get buy in when the coaching is atrocious and the offense hasn't scored a touchdown in over 2 games. This team fought at the end of last year.

Hard to produce when you won’t buy in. Successful people buy in before the results.

 

[hoops156]

Then this Makes the point even more. Generations of program buildong from Butch To Saban. He exacerbated the suckiness with the Gattis hire but are we to believe this abomination will be status quo forever? Say he wins 7-8 games next year he already can promise marked improvement and land a stellar 24 class on top of the 23 class with portal adds. I dobt someone who has had those mentors and is meticulous about proccess and had already used those lessons to build Oregon would just suck forever as a 4/5 win corch that was scoring 17 ppg.

so going 4-8 after a 7 win season to get it back to 7-8 wins is now marked improvement. hes the reason the 4 win season happened lol. it shouldn't have happened w this roster and schedule. it should've been at worst 7 wins this year. next year we got ATM who beat us this year bc gatass rz play calling and Clemson who will skull **** us twice

 

[Cribby]

Ehhh, gotta disagree w/ u on this one, brotha.

For the chit Richt gets, a 50% Richt was the best coach we had since Butch. For all the shenanigans that Golden left this program in after he was sour he didn’t the PSU job, Richt single handily turned this program around. Was it to complete standards? No, but Richt undid a lot of the chit Golden instilled. Richt was 26-13 here. Not a great record, but roughly around 9-4, which was a 2 game win & 2 game loss improvement from Randy, & Golden who avg. 7-5.

For the all the good Richt did 3 yrs, Manny literally reversed it in 3 yrs. Some of r u having this nostalgic moment b/c we scored more under Manny + Lashlee, but we became extremely undisciplined in all phases of the game which is y we have record setting marks under him. It’s also y every single one of his recruits sans Greg have been **** poor b/c his evals were **** poor.

Manny left a roster with holes all over it. From cb, Lb, DL, wr and OL. The DL and LB were absolutely atrocious before the portal. It was some of the worst roster management I’ve ever seen.

 

[Rellyrell]

Oh Richt indeed was the best of a bad bunch, by a mile. However, let's not pretend that 2018 didn't happen. We were a freaking mess in 18, and it drove Richt into retirement. 7-6 is exactly the mediocrity Manny inherited. Mario inherited 7-5, and a QB on a hot streak. If anything, Mario inherited the team with more working parts. That's not saying much, I know. Can you imagine how bad we'd look with Williams at QB right about now?

U keep stating “Manny inherited”, when it’s disingenuous to dismiss that Manny didn’t inherit chit. Manny was part of the problem in 2018; being that there was a locker room divide of an us (defense) vs. them (offense). Manny was here from 2016 - 2021, not 2019 - 2021.

U said Mario inherited a QB who was on a “hot steak.” Thanks for saying a QB, b/c that’s all that Mario inherited. This “team” that was put together by ur boy Manny is trash as fck. And again, I’m going to beat home this point, b/c it’s been irking the chit out of me:

Did Aaron Rodgers forget how to play QB in one yr? No? So y is he looking like trash? Maybe it’s b/c his #1 WR, DeVante Adams is not there anymore. Have u seen Bryce Young when he had Metchie & Williamson vs. Bryce Young today? Did u see Tua pre Waddle & T Hill? Have u seen Justin Herbert w/ K Allen & w/o K Allen?

Have this offensive play calling been trash? Yep, but u could see all over TVDs face during the Spring Game how uncomfortable he was w/ this WR group & that was my first red flag. This WR group didn’t do chit last yr; it was the transfer Rambo that put that room on his back, & that’s when TVD thrived.

U can think Manny left Mario w/ a great bunch a players, but this great bunch of players:
-were apart of the FIU/La Tech/Duke/GT fiasco & who celebrated after they narrowly escaped CMU.

-were front row & center getting their brains beat in by UNC & watching their coach slip & slide for a late penalty to help us beat a bad UVA team.

-got their souls snatched by Bama, MSU, & FSU

So pls, as much as I fcks w/ u, I don’t need to hear what Manny left like I haven’t watched every single game whether in person, at a bar full of FSU fans, or the comfort of my home since 1987. I know exactly what Manny left & I know exactly how he undid all the good Richt tried to re-instill.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Thanks for the HR seminar.

Score some ******* points

 

[loeTed92]

@SWFLHurricane you this post so I have a question for you....and not trying to be snarky..legit question. When a safety is missing their assignment and say jumps it to try to make an interception when their assignment was to provide over the top coverage.....how is that particular instance not on the player? The coach isnt coaching him to do that. That's not how its being done at practice Id wager.

Im all my years of basketball, I never blamed my coach, my teammates, culture, nothing when I made a bad pass, missed a shot, let a guard drive by me for a shot, etc etc. That was all on me.

Just trying to get other perspectives so I can form my opinions.

It’s on the player but when it becomes a trend it’s on the coach to get that player out the game til he understands the assignment.

 

[Zbrod95]

To be fair you’ve been defending the coaches pretty hard all season. Just saying.

I’ve stated on multiple occasions that we need to fire Gattis and that he’s a giant issue.

I’ve been saying it for multiple weeks now.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Then this Makes the point even more. Generations of program buildong from Butch To Saban. He exacerbated the suckiness with the Gattis hire but are we to believe this abomination will be status quo forever? Say he wins 7-8 games next year he already can promise marked improvement and land a stellar 24 class on top of the 23 class with portal adds. I dobt someone who has had those mentors and is meticulous about proccess and had already used those lessons to build Oregon would just suck forever as a 4/5 win corch that was scoring 17 ppg.

Not only the Gattis hire...but the Steele and Addae hires as well. Georgia and Michigan didn't flinch when they lost those two...which makes Mario's hiring of staff that much more troubling. Steele literally came out of retirement too boot, and is nothing more than a journeyman. I like Mario...he certainly wasn't my 1st choice, but I'm willing to give him time. But what I've seen this yr from his staff is lower than mediocrity. We have absolutely no business being in the position we're in....None.

 

[Rellyrell]

Manny left a roster with holes all over it. From cb, Lb, DL, wr and OL. The DL and LB were absolutely atrocious before the portal. It was some of the worst roster management I’ve ever seen.

It’s the revisionist history for me, bro. Every fan has a right to be upppppset w/ the chit that’s gone on this yr, but my God; these memories r short as fck. The fact is, since Manny has been here, there’s only been 3 players that were genuinely his recruits that got drafted:

Garvin, Ford, Rousseau. That’s it. All the other players were either transfers or Golden’s recruits. In 6 yrs, this guy managed to recruit 3 players that got drafted. Let that sink in.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

@SWFLHurricane you this post so I have a question for you....and not trying to be snarky..legit question. When a safety is missing their assignment and say jumps it to try to make an interception when their assignment was to provide over the top coverage.....how is that particular instance not on the player? The coach isnt coaching him to do that. That's not how its being done at practice Id wager.

Im all my years of basketball, I never blamed my coach, my teammates, culture, nothing when I made a bad pass, missed a shot, let a guard drive by me for a shot, etc etc. That was all on me.

Just trying to get other perspectives so I can form my opinions.

Good point...but I still say coaching as a whole, has been poor. Our Offensive game plan has been Garbage...which in turn, puts that much more pressure on our defense. In all my yrs as a UM fan...I've never seen such a Garbage Red Zone offense. We have enough talent on this team to have Won 7-8 games...and possibly 9 with a little luck.

 

[Udynasty]

Everyone interested in this topic should watch 4 minutes of this video starting at the 5:20 mark.

Thanks for posting this, jmiller. 100% on-point.

Must watch. Perfectly stated. And it took him 6 years to get there with a better culture.

 

[ThomasM]

U keep stating “Manny inherited” when it’s disingenuous to dismiss that Manny didn’t inherit chit. Manny was part of the problem in 2018; being that there was a locker room divide of an us (defense) vs. them (offense). Manny was here from 2016 - 2021, not 2019 - 2021.

U said Mario inherited a QB who was on a “hot steak.” Thanks for saying a QB, b/c that’s all that Mario inherited. This “team” that was put together by ur boy Manny is trash as fck. And again, I’m going to beat home this point, b/c it’s been irking the chit out of me:

Did Aaron Rodgers forget how to play QB in one yr? No? So y is he looking like trash? Maybe it’s b/c his #1 WR, DeVante Adams is not there anymore. Have u seen Bryce Young when he had Metchie & Williamson vs. Bryce Young today? Did u see Tua pre Waddle & T Hill? Have u seen Justin Herbert w/ K Allen & w/o K Allen?

Have this offensive play calling been trash? Yep, but u could see all over TVDs face during the Spring Game how uncomfortable he was w/ this WR group & that was my first red flag. This WR group didn’t do chit last yr; it was the transfer Rambo that put that room on his back, & that’s when TVD thrived.

U can think Manny left Mario w/ a great bunch a players, but this great bunch of players:
-were apart of the FIU/La Tech/Duke/GT fiasco & who celebrated after they narrowly escaped CMU.

-were front row & center getting their brains beat in by UNC & watching their coach slip & slide for a late penalty to help us beat a bad UVA team.

-got their souls snatched by Bama, MSU, & FSU

So pls, as much as I fcks w/ u, I don’t need to hear what Manny left like I haven’t watched every single game whether in person, at a bar full of FSU fans, or the comfort of my home since 1987. I know exactly what Manny left & I know exactly how he undid all the good Richt tried to re-instill.

You lost me at "my boy Manny". I hated Manny. All I am saying is Manny sucked, but he make things a **** of a lot worse than what he got from Richt. I never said he left Mario a loaded team. All I said was that Mario inherited about the same level of crap that Manny inherited. Manny didn't make things worse, he just didn't make them any **** better. Again, we were 7-6 in 2018. Tell me how Manny broke some championship caliber program. He didn't. This crap has been broken for **** near 20 years now.